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United States43300 Posts
On July 09 2008 01:37 DamageControL wrote:
Kwark you helped me loads, and I am not op!
But I am not smart enough to do that....
Doing it on the fly at high speed is a tough skill. It takes a lot of practice. But if you just play friendlies and pause and work it out you should be fine. Use a pen and paper if you want and just tally what you have and what he has. As you do the thought process over and over you'll get used to it. Eventually you'll just know and be able to do maphackesque countering.
Like
he's behind and contained.... what can he do in this situation.... harass and hidden expo.... send ob to the hidden exp sites and put pylons on the drop routes.... send army to exp as it finishes and laugh as shuttle flies over a few casually placed goons.
WTF HAX!?!?!
When actually anybody could have said that'd be what they'd do and work out the counters.
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B rank by september? And you are D right now? I hope you are a REALLY fast learner. I hope to hit C- by the end of the current iccup season and I am D+ right now. Thats a more realistic goal imo.
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On July 09 2008 03:07 Mastermind wrote:
B rank by september? And you are D right now? I hope you are a REALLY fast learner. I hope to hit C- by the end of the current iccup season and I am D+ right now. Thats a more realistic goal imo.
You need to be an extremely fast learner, and play like 20 games a day to get used to mechanics inorder to reach that IMO...
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On July 09 2008 03:07 Mastermind wrote:
B rank by september? And you are D right now? I hope you are a REALLY fast learner. I hope to hit C- by the end of the current iccup season and I am D+ right now. Thats a more realistic goal imo.
You cannot hit B if you are D in less than a year.. its not possible unless you ACTUALLY PLAY 30 games a day and try and learn on all of them.
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thedeadhaji
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kaz was like, 120 apm terran A- pgt so anything is possible.
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Judging from his post, I think he'll make it. Good luck.
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Good luck  I have been training fairly hard (average about 3 hours a day, which is about as much as I can manage working full time) for about 6 months now and haven't yet cracked C-, so I hope you have better luck then I do!
Some random tips that are helping me:
- If you start to get discouraged don't be afraid to log on a smurf or on USEast and do a could noob bashing games. Once you are about D+ skill level D- skilled opponents are finally in the 'auto win' zone. Winning some games can help you focus and return to playing opponents above your skill again; also they are good opportunities to focus on pushing your APM even if it means you are playing a little shittier.
- I personally love watching pro vods and they really hype me up, so now I generally always alternate: play 1 game on iccup, watch one VOD, play a game, watch a VOD. Back and forth. Helps keep me excited and interested; also during the VOD watching time I can often go over what I did in the previous game and come up with some things to try and improve on next game. Sometimes it can be fun to always watch VODs of your race as well and just spend each game trying to copy what the pro did in the last VOD you watched. Normally I find I am never able to pull it off or the opponent responds totally differently, but it has helped expose me to more strategies and helped me know what to do past the very-early stage of the game (since i am basing it on a VOD).
- Ask for re? every time you lose. Most opponents are willing to do it and actually show up if you host the re, and you can start to build some relationships with people if you are Bo3 or Bo5ing them rather than one game and you never see them again. It has helped me practice certain exact strategies (many iccup players do the same strategy on the same map against the same race every single game). So, for example, this was a great way for me to get over losing to a 9pool speed runby on Othello (which has somewhat tricky wall-in placement) by Bo5ing someone who did this strategy every game.
- Spend more time playing then on TL.net. I fail at this and I could probably play twice as many games if I could get myself off this site writing posts like these.
Obviously I am still D+ noob so take this advice with grain of salt, but I have found them helpful for my personal training.
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thedeadhaji
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- Spend more time playing then on TL.net. I fail at this and I could probably play twice as many games if I could get myself off this site writing posts like these.
incontrol once chastized me saying that if I put all the time I spend on TL into playing, I'd actually be a decent player hahaha~
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to be honest I think D -> B is pretty impossible (It would be pretty intense if you could actually pull it off.. I guess if you played 50+ games in 1 week, that's a pretty good start). not to be a killjoy or anything, but I think it's better to be realistic AND optimistic, rather than being totally unrealistic.
take me for example, it took me 1 month to reach C rank, but I did not start as a D level player, I've probably improved a bit over this month period, but in no way did I jump from D -> C in 1 month, it just took me this amount of time to reach that rank. my goal is to reach B- this season, my previous high was C+. i've been playing a pretty decent amount too (something in the neighborhood of 6-7 games per day) and my improvement has been pretty slow thus far, and judging by the fact that only two of my team-mates have reached B- in 1v1 (and they are FAR better than me), it would seem to me to be an impossible task, and I am already more than halfway there in terms of my current skill.
so I think that a jump from D -> B is pretty hard, but again all you can do is your best, so I wish you luck.
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to get better at sc i remember i watch a lot of progamer replays and learn their strategy ,,builds,, and mechanics. cuz they r progamers..u learn from the best.
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On July 09 2008 03:02 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2008 01:37 DamageControL wrote:
Kwark you helped me loads, and I am not op!
But I am not smart enough to do that.... Doing it on the fly at high speed is a tough skill. It takes a lot of practice. But if you just play friendlies and pause and work it out you should be fine. Use a pen and paper if you want and just tally what you have and what he has. As you do the thought process over and over you'll get used to it. Eventually you'll just know and be able to do maphackesque countering. Like he's behind and contained.... what can he do in this situation.... harass and hidden expo.... send ob to the hidden exp sites and put pylons on the drop routes.... send army to exp as it finishes and laugh as shuttle flies over a few casually placed goons. WTF HAX!?!?! When actually anybody could have said that'd be what they'd do and work out the counters.
my little brother used to be able to know where everything was like that and I wuld be all wtf...
his macro was pretty bad so he lost a lot though
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On July 09 2008 04:12 Goosey wrote:Good luck I have been training fairly hard (average about 3 hours a day, which is about as much as I can manage working full time) for about 6 months now and haven't yet cracked C-, so I hope you have better luck then I do! Some random tips that are helping me: - If you start to get discouraged don't be afraid to log on a smurf or on USEast and do a could noob bashing games. Once you are about D+ skill level D- skilled opponents are finally in the 'auto win' zone. Winning some games can help you focus and return to playing opponents above your skill again; also they are good opportunities to focus on pushing your APM even if it means you are playing a little shittier. - I personally love watching pro vods and they really hype me up, so now I generally always alternate: play 1 game on iccup, watch one VOD, play a game, watch a VOD. Back and forth. Helps keep me excited and interested; also during the VOD watching time I can often go over what I did in the previous game and come up with some things to try and improve on next game. Sometimes it can be fun to always watch VODs of your race as well and just spend each game trying to copy what the pro did in the last VOD you watched. Normally I find I am never able to pull it off or the opponent responds totally differently, but it has helped expose me to more strategies and helped me know what to do past the very-early stage of the game (since i am basing it on a VOD). - Ask for re? every time you lose. Most opponents are willing to do it and actually show up if you host the re, and you can start to build some relationships with people if you are Bo3 or Bo5ing them rather than one game and you never see them again. It has helped me practice certain exact strategies (many iccup players do the same strategy on the same map against the same race every single game). So, for example, this was a great way for me to get over losing to a 9pool speed runby on Othello (which has somewhat tricky wall-in placement) by Bo5ing someone who did this strategy every game. - Spend more time playing then on TL.net. I fail at this and I could probably play twice as many games if I could get myself off this site writing posts like these. Obviously I am still D+ noob so take this advice with grain of salt, but I have found them helpful for my personal training.
I am a 1750 D player and D- are autowin....
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United States24744 Posts
On July 09 2008 06:53 johnmaster wrote:
to get better at sc i remember i watch a lot of progamer replays and learn their strategy ,,builds,, and mechanics. cuz they r progamers..u learn from the best.
Just a word of warning: you won't always learn the best from progamers. If you look at what Kwark said earlier, pro-games don't help you react in a more smart manner to your opponent. Learning some awesome strategy/bo from a pro is fine, but that will never get you to B rank... you need to develop your overall play... and you can only get so much from a 400 apm pro player that way...
On July 09 2008 07:20 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2008 04:12 Goosey wrote:Good luck I have been training fairly hard (average about 3 hours a day, which is about as much as I can manage working full time) for about 6 months now and haven't yet cracked C-, so I hope you have better luck then I do! Some random tips that are helping me: - If you start to get discouraged don't be afraid to log on a smurf or on USEast and do a could noob bashing games. Once you are about D+ skill level D- skilled opponents are finally in the 'auto win' zone. Winning some games can help you focus and return to playing opponents above your skill again; also they are good opportunities to focus on pushing your APM even if it means you are playing a little shittier. - I personally love watching pro vods and they really hype me up, so now I generally always alternate: play 1 game on iccup, watch one VOD, play a game, watch a VOD. Back and forth. Helps keep me excited and interested; also during the VOD watching time I can often go over what I did in the previous game and come up with some things to try and improve on next game. Sometimes it can be fun to always watch VODs of your race as well and just spend each game trying to copy what the pro did in the last VOD you watched. Normally I find I am never able to pull it off or the opponent responds totally differently, but it has helped expose me to more strategies and helped me know what to do past the very-early stage of the game (since i am basing it on a VOD). - Ask for re? every time you lose. Most opponents are willing to do it and actually show up if you host the re, and you can start to build some relationships with people if you are Bo3 or Bo5ing them rather than one game and you never see them again. It has helped me practice certain exact strategies (many iccup players do the same strategy on the same map against the same race every single game). So, for example, this was a great way for me to get over losing to a 9pool speed runby on Othello (which has somewhat tricky wall-in placement) by Bo5ing someone who did this strategy every game. - Spend more time playing then on TL.net. I fail at this and I could probably play twice as many games if I could get myself off this site writing posts like these. Obviously I am still D+ noob so take this advice with grain of salt, but I have found them helpful for my personal training. I am a 1750 D player and D- are autowin....
I've lost to D- while D+. It depends on the D-, the matchup, and the map tbh...
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and the cheese they do to you and how good you defend it lol
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I'm gonna have to agree with others and be skeptical about whether or not you could reach B in such a short time. Even going from C to B in that sort of time would be a challenge, let alone from a struggling D to B.
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You have the realise the one thing that will make this take so long is just massing games doesn't improve you as rapidly without your mind having time to digest what you're doing and where to go with it and when to do what etc. Game experience is great, but man there is alot of shitty d+ people with 500 games a season that never improve.
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2 weeks ago i was D- and i aimed to make it to D+ by the end of the holidays (3 week break). 1 week left and i am 1500+, not quite there though.
Good luck in achieving your goal, i think its possible
No cheesing but!
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On July 09 2008 07:45 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2008 06:53 johnmaster wrote:
to get better at sc i remember i watch a lot of progamer replays and learn their strategy ,,builds,, and mechanics. cuz they r progamers..u learn from the best. Just a word of warning: you won't always learn the best from progamers. If you look at what Kwark said earlier, pro-games don't help you react in a more smart manner to your opponent. Learning some awesome strategy/bo from a pro is fine, but that will never get you to B rank... you need to develop your overall play... and you can only get so much from a 400 apm pro player that way... Show nested quote +On July 09 2008 07:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 09 2008 04:12 Goosey wrote:Good luck I have been training fairly hard (average about 3 hours a day, which is about as much as I can manage working full time) for about 6 months now and haven't yet cracked C-, so I hope you have better luck then I do! Some random tips that are helping me: - If you start to get discouraged don't be afraid to log on a smurf or on USEast and do a could noob bashing games. Once you are about D+ skill level D- skilled opponents are finally in the 'auto win' zone. Winning some games can help you focus and return to playing opponents above your skill again; also they are good opportunities to focus on pushing your APM even if it means you are playing a little shittier. - I personally love watching pro vods and they really hype me up, so now I generally always alternate: play 1 game on iccup, watch one VOD, play a game, watch a VOD. Back and forth. Helps keep me excited and interested; also during the VOD watching time I can often go over what I did in the previous game and come up with some things to try and improve on next game. Sometimes it can be fun to always watch VODs of your race as well and just spend each game trying to copy what the pro did in the last VOD you watched. Normally I find I am never able to pull it off or the opponent responds totally differently, but it has helped expose me to more strategies and helped me know what to do past the very-early stage of the game (since i am basing it on a VOD). - Ask for re? every time you lose. Most opponents are willing to do it and actually show up if you host the re, and you can start to build some relationships with people if you are Bo3 or Bo5ing them rather than one game and you never see them again. It has helped me practice certain exact strategies (many iccup players do the same strategy on the same map against the same race every single game). So, for example, this was a great way for me to get over losing to a 9pool speed runby on Othello (which has somewhat tricky wall-in placement) by Bo5ing someone who did this strategy every game. - Spend more time playing then on TL.net. I fail at this and I could probably play twice as many games if I could get myself off this site writing posts like these. Obviously I am still D+ noob so take this advice with grain of salt, but I have found them helpful for my personal training. I am a 1750 D player and D- are autowin.... I've lost to D- while D+. It depends on the D-, the matchup, and the map tbh... Real D- are prettty bad. Maybe you faced an exceptional one?
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United States24744 Posts
On July 09 2008 13:28 DamageControL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2008 07:45 micronesia wrote:On July 09 2008 06:53 johnmaster wrote:
to get better at sc i remember i watch a lot of progamer replays and learn their strategy ,,builds,, and mechanics. cuz they r progamers..u learn from the best. Just a word of warning: you won't always learn the best from progamers. If you look at what Kwark said earlier, pro-games don't help you react in a more smart manner to your opponent. Learning some awesome strategy/bo from a pro is fine, but that will never get you to B rank... you need to develop your overall play... and you can only get so much from a 400 apm pro player that way... On July 09 2008 07:20 DamageControL wrote:On July 09 2008 04:12 Goosey wrote:Good luck I have been training fairly hard (average about 3 hours a day, which is about as much as I can manage working full time) for about 6 months now and haven't yet cracked C-, so I hope you have better luck then I do! Some random tips that are helping me: - If you start to get discouraged don't be afraid to log on a smurf or on USEast and do a could noob bashing games. Once you are about D+ skill level D- skilled opponents are finally in the 'auto win' zone. Winning some games can help you focus and return to playing opponents above your skill again; also they are good opportunities to focus on pushing your APM even if it means you are playing a little shittier. - I personally love watching pro vods and they really hype me up, so now I generally always alternate: play 1 game on iccup, watch one VOD, play a game, watch a VOD. Back and forth. Helps keep me excited and interested; also during the VOD watching time I can often go over what I did in the previous game and come up with some things to try and improve on next game. Sometimes it can be fun to always watch VODs of your race as well and just spend each game trying to copy what the pro did in the last VOD you watched. Normally I find I am never able to pull it off or the opponent responds totally differently, but it has helped expose me to more strategies and helped me know what to do past the very-early stage of the game (since i am basing it on a VOD). - Ask for re? every time you lose. Most opponents are willing to do it and actually show up if you host the re, and you can start to build some relationships with people if you are Bo3 or Bo5ing them rather than one game and you never see them again. It has helped me practice certain exact strategies (many iccup players do the same strategy on the same map against the same race every single game). So, for example, this was a great way for me to get over losing to a 9pool speed runby on Othello (which has somewhat tricky wall-in placement) by Bo5ing someone who did this strategy every game. - Spend more time playing then on TL.net. I fail at this and I could probably play twice as many games if I could get myself off this site writing posts like these. Obviously I am still D+ noob so take this advice with grain of salt, but I have found them helpful for my personal training. I am a 1750 D player and D- are autowin.... I've lost to D- while D+. It depends on the D-, the matchup, and the map tbh... Real D- are prettty bad. Maybe you faced an exceptional one?
I think so. He did a sick surprising timing push vs my reasonably early nexus on rh3 :p
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