EPTEDIT this isn't really here to inspire discussion btw. I just feel like stating my aggravated opinion.
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HamerD
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EDIT this isn't really here to inspire discussion btw. I just feel like stating my aggravated opinion. | ||
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Steelflight-Rx
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On July 03 2008 23:24 micronesia wrote: I agree with Cow. Ron Paul is not as good of a candidate as people on the internet seem to think he is... u mean most of america? | ||
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micronesia
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No? Most of America likes Ron Paul the candidate for president? | ||
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micronesia
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On July 03 2008 23:33 Steelflight-Rx wrote: i dont know what u mean by "people on the internet"... everyone uses the internet it doesnt mean they like ron paul. A large part of Ron Paul's following is people who are active on the internet and use the internet as one of their main tools for promoting him. | ||
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jgad
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 That said, I agree that a lot of people who support Ron Paul don't understand why they support him. They're hardly a thermometer for the effectiveness of his policies, however. Most people don't support politicians for any justifiable or logical reasons. I think a good reading of Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" would change a lot of minds. Austrian economics changed me from a life-long socialist to a definite liberal (in the classical sense!). Like the old saying goes - If you're not a socialist at 20, you don't have a heart. If you're still a socialist at 30, you don't have a brain. I think a lot of people see Ron Paul, in opposing socialist measures, as being in opposition of the ends of socialism - namely universal prosperity, cooperation, compassion for one's fellow man, etc. I think the revelation comes when one understands the way that libertarianism is not an ethos at odds with those ends, but one which simply acknowledges that the mechanism to achieve those ends is neither within the power of government nor something which can be brought about by mass coercion. I dunno, I've grown tired of debating this elsewhere with people who don't really understand economics or policy very well - it makes it difficult to be clear. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 03 2008 23:20 vGl-CoW wrote: im sorry but your wrong k, that's your opinion. I stated mine. You spelling you're wrong doesn't exactly help your insistence that my opinion is incorrect. Ron Paul is the most honest, sensical and logical person one could have chosen from the list of presidential candidates IMO. He clearly has his head screwed on correctly, and is wiser and more perceptive than the other candidates. He just doesn't win the personality contest, because for some reason everyone has lumped him into this position of blabbering imbecile who doesn't know where he is; because they have taken phrases out of context and mistook pressure of people yelling at him for senility. American politics is almost entirely personality and corruption. Ron Paul is unfortunately underequipped on both counts to win the seat in the white house. Seriously, if you just look at what Obama talks, he just says disney catchphrases and tired, obvious and old oratorical devices in all of his speeches. He is better than McCain as a true republican. And, and this is still my opinion, I have to say that I think Ron Paul 'gets' a lot more than most people in the USA do. He is a more philosophical and reasonable president. That was all in my opinion, in case some retard wants to quote me as trying to state fact. Ps. The reason I support Ron Paul is because he has the most scruples and perception. In all honesty, I think economics and national safety will always be advised on by your admistrative staff. What's important, I think, is to present a good face of diplomacy and wisdom to the rest of the world; stability to the American people and to speak with clarity on important subjects. Presidents surely don't just lock themselves away in a room and decide all of the economic policies of a country, do they? | ||
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micronesia
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On July 03 2008 23:43 HamerD wrote: That was all in my opinion, in case some retard wants to quote me as trying to state fact. I don't think this is really necessary. If someone disagrees with your opinion, they will quote it and explain what they think is wrong with it. Just because you acknowledge it isn't fact doesn't mean it shouldn't be quoted and torn apart if it doesn't make sense. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 03 2008 23:46 micronesia wrote: I don't think this is really necessary. If someone disagrees with your opinion, they will quote it and explain what they think is wrong with it. Just because you acknowledge it isn't fact doesn't mean it shouldn't be quoted and torn apart if it doesn't make sense. Of course it's necessary. I can't count the amount of times people have mistaken my stating my opinion for trying to state fact. It gets too personal too quickly, because people become defensive. If you want to attack my opinion, for the purpose of changing it or changing the opinion of people reading; then go ahead. But when making highly opinionated posts, I like to make sure people realise I am not trying to state fact. | ||
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Holylight
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Anways, if theres someone you cant discuss with on TL its probably HamerD. I dont know of anyone who gets as rude and hostile in posts so i wont even comment on the (very) common opinion of a lot of european people and people on the internet that Ron Paul is some savior of America. lol | ||
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HamerD
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And actually, replace 'discuss with' with 'touch'... Delete the words preceding 'you' and replace 'on TL its probably HamerD' with 'young girls' But thanks for getting my username right xD | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:56 Holylight wrote: why have an opinion if there are facts? Anways, if theres someone you cant discuss with on TL its probably HamerD. I dont know of anyone who gets as rude and hostile in posts so i wont even comment on the (very) common opinion of a lot of european people and people on the internet that Ron Paul is some savior of America. lol Its only "rude" and "hostile" if you somehow manage to ACTUALLY get offended by some text in a box  It's not hard to discuss anything with him...just make sure you have a logical argument with facts to back it up and theres no way he wouldn't be able to recognize and change his mind if he finds your argument to be correct. | ||
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vGl-CoW
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Holylight
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On July 04 2008 00:03 Mischy wrote: Its only "rude" and "hostile" if you somehow manage to ACTUALLY get offended by some text in a box It's not hard to discuss anything with him...just make sure you have a logical argument with facts to back it up and theres no way he wouldn't be able to recognize and change his mind if he finds your argument to be correct. why wouldnt you be able to get offended by text? internet is not some fantasy place, real people talk about real stuff with each other. But alot of people dont seem to get that I guess nah ive tried before and he ended up calling me alot of shit and making fun of korean culture and whatnot, it was retarded so i just left it alone | ||
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HamerD
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But anyway, Ron Paul has rinsed ppl in everything i've seen of him on youtube. I can't see how people always say he's some befuddled, confused old gramps. EXPLAAAAAin | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 04 2008 00:12 Holylight wrote: why wouldnt you be able to get offended by text? internet is not some fantasy place, real people talk about real stuff with each other. But alot of people dont seem to get that I guess nah ive tried before and he ended up calling me alot of shit and making fun of korean culture and whatnot, it was retarded so i just left it alone Oh yeah well i'm pretty sure I know him better than you I understand that it is possible to get offended from text..there is such a thing as 'libel'...but this is a gaming forum lol Clearly posted on TL are opinions on things in something that most of the community don't have a degree in. If you take ANYTHING other than "I plan on killing you tonight....with my MASS HYDRAAZZZSSZSZZSZ" seriously then you have issues (and even if you take that comment seriously...you still probably have some issues). The point is, yes its okay to read something and go "wtf...ban please?"...but taking something so close to heart from a person you barely know isn't really the best way to live life. | ||
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Kingsp4de20
United States716 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:24 micronesia wrote: I agree with Cow. Ron Paul is not as good of a candidate as people on the internet seem to think he is... yeh | ||
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Holylight
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On July 04 2008 00:26 Mischy wrote: Oh yeah well i'm pretty sure I know him better than you I understand that it is possible to get offended from text..there is such a thing as 'libel'...but this is a gaming forum lol Clearly posted on TL are opinions on things in something that most of the community don't have a degree in. If you take ANYTHING other than "I plan on killing you tonight....with my MASS HYDRAAZZZSSZSZZSZ" seriously then you have issues (and even if you take that comment seriously...you still probably have some issues). The point is, yes its okay to read something and go "wtf...ban please?"...but taking something so close to heart from a person you barely know isn't really the best way to live life. Alright i'll take your word for it, i dont really care. You have issues because you take things seriously? Err yeah ok lets all just giggle together If someone has issues its probably you who are afraid of being serious and scared of "real" stuff or something wtf you make no sense lol. I hate it when people go "ban please?" and every time a mod steps in and has to remind people "...stop saying we should ban people, we are the mods not you" I dont fucking care about what person i talk to, the important thing is the subject at hand. Who are you anways, HamerD's second account? | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 04 2008 00:37 Holylight wrote: Alright i'll take your word for it, i dont really care. You have issues because you take things seriously? Err yeah ok lets all just giggle together If someone has issues its probably you who are afraid of being serious and scared of "real" stuff or something wtf you make no sense lol. I hate it when people go "ban please?" and every time a mod steps in and has to remind people "...stop saying we should ban people, we are the mods not you" I dont fucking care about what person i talk to, the important thing is the subject at hand. Who are you anways, HamerD's second account? Oh holylight...your name isn't suitable for you I think. Perhaps you should have chosen something that doesn't refer to 'brightness' of any kind. (no offense meant *giggle since you enjoy giggling*) I clearly stated that taking something so seriously from someone you barely know is a problem...I didn't just say "taking something seriously!?!?! well geez you must have issues". lol I used the phrase "ban please" because its extremely common...it represents someone going "oh hey that was not a smart move" or "this person is an idiot." The 'subjects at hand' that you talk about is brought up by people...you then continue to 'discuss' with these seperate people...there are a lot of people so naturally opinions will differ (genius I know :O) Peoples thoughts and actions is what makes the subject at hand important. So based on what you said you probably have a hard time accepting other peoples opinions. btw you just said you dont care who I am in the beginning of that post...but at the end decided it was important So make up your mind. | ||
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Holylight
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Yeah, so who are you *drumroll* | ||
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Mischy
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On July 04 2008 01:28 Holylight wrote: i dont care what you think about my name. Yeah, so who are you *drumroll* Well I dont hate you or anything Anyway i'm Michelle. If you still want info about how I know HamerD for whatever reason then just look in the team liquid gallery. | ||
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Holylight
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so youre not in the gallery, i have no idea what i should look for | ||
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Mischy
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On July 04 2008 01:34 Holylight wrote: Again, I really don't care ^^ so youre not in the gallery, i have no idea what i should look for Again...thats great. Just like go to page 42 and just read the top post spoilers etc. | ||
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Mischy
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On July 04 2008 01:45 vGl-CoW wrote: *sticks a thermometer in this blog* woah woah looks like people are taking the internet too seriously here... why can't we all think our things about things, it's just words, let's high five each other all day every day till kingdom come (not literally though because god doesn't exist) Hey sir I put so much effort into the 5 seconds it took to type out my post on the first page :O If you look closely there is also a hidden message regarding cake, ron paul, and festivities...perhaps you can bring the drinks for the party? :O *high five*...I'm totally being 'serious' | ||
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Holylight
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kiddingalright, i searched for "Mischy" obviously but nothing came up....oh well lemme check again | ||
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Holylight
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oh god, dont let gg_hertz know that you (Michelle or what your name was) and mnm are next to each other in the TL Gallery. you look like someone, then again everyone does. funny how you and mnm look like opposites, the blonde and the brunette lol Im totally gonna throw up a profile picture and put "<3 your mom" on my cheek | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 04 2008 02:00 Holylight wrote: lol cow oh god, dont let gg_hertz know that you (Michelle or what your name was) and mnm are next to each other in the TL Gallery. you look like someone, then again everyone does. funny how you and mnm look like opposites, the blonde and the brunette lol haha yeah I know but mnm is cute and all that...would totally go lesbian for her Ron paul would also go lesbian for her...Ron Paul approved this message. | ||
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Mischy
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On July 04 2008 02:11 Holylight wrote: I knew it, you and HamerD are Ron's "hidden" propaganda machine omg at least put it in a spoiler  Now the 4 people actually paying attention to this thread knows and everything goes down the drain All our hard work...gone Next time shutup and eat the cake that I brought for the party :O *high five* 'seriously' | ||
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Holylight
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i bet you love being annoying in a cute way. you brought a fucking cake? i already ate the cake though so hah! | ||
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Frits
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On July 03 2008 23:18 HamerD wrote: Imo if the average IQ of the USA were 120, ron paul would be the next US president. EDIT this isn't really here to inspire discussion btw. I just feel like stating my aggravated opinion. I don't know man I believe that if you had an iq of 120 you wouldn't make such retarded statements. Ron Paul is popular on the internet because he only appeals to people who have no experience with the outside world and have no idea how society works. | ||
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Mischy
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Lets start with him opposing social security...you go first :Dbtw: On July 04 2008 01:56 vGl-CoW wrote: ahaha gross i got quoted by a girl Oh man did it just happen again?! :O I believe it did! :O Someone call jerry springer because this is just too crazy to not get even more attention :O:O:O + Show Spoiler + and I would offer you cake but apparently Holylight ate it all...hes such a pig...'seriously' | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 02:36 Frits wrote: I don't know man I believe that if you had an iq of 120 you wouldn't make such retarded statements. Ron Paul is popular on the internet because he only appeals to people who have no experience with the outside world and have no idea how society works. It's more in the region of 135-140, but anyway you are entitled to your prominent brow, heavy-set jaw, hunched over stance and hunter-gatherer-intelligence-level opinion. I would say that behind all your intellectual bravado is really just ignorance and also return your comment right back to you. | ||
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Caller
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$5 says godwins law kicks in within the next 10 posts | ||
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Xeris
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Ron Paul has poor public speaking skills, out of any candidate recently, Obama is by far the best orator of the group. If you don't like his speaking skills, you are likely overly cynical or biased (I'm not saying you have to support him or like/agree with his policies, or even his candidacy... but any unbiased person should be able to listen to him and say "at least this man knows how to talk to a crowd"). Furthermore, if you don't think this is an important quality for a President to have, you are not living in reality. The President should command attention when he speaks, he should be able to move people with his words, and he should have a certain air about him that says "I am the President, and I know what I'm doing" ... Ron Paul does not have this characteristic. The millions who support McCain, Obama, and Clinton can attest to the fact that Ron Paul simply did not draw them in (I can guarantee there are millions of affluent, educated, and knowledgeable voters who have been following the positions of every candidate and made carefully reasoned choices about whom to support). Simply having good sound policies, and sensible ideas for how to run the country don't mean you will make an effective President. You have to look at many other factors than just "here are my great ideas on how to fix the country". You have to look at : leadership skills in potential crisis situations, projected image in the international political scene, domestic leadership, ability to actually DO things, and the speaking bit as I mentioned above... these are just a few examples of qualities that I just don't see in Ron Paul. To me, Ron Paul is just a thinker, he's got some great ideas, but I don't see him as the head of the country. I see him coming up with ideas and giving them to people with more gumption and initiative to actually carry them out. | ||
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micronesia
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On July 04 2008 03:07 HamerD wrote: It's more in the region of 135-140, You didn't type '200' correctly. BTW: IQ is dumb. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 03:15 Xeris wrote: "He clearly has his head screwed on correctly, and is wiser and more perceptive than the other candidates." - is it just me or does this sound a lot like stating your own opinion as a fact? YOU SEE. YOU ALL FUCKING SEE!!!!!!!!!!!! I FUCKING TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN ><. SEND ME TO THE NUTHOUSE EINSTEIN. YOU FUCKING SSSSEEEEEE!!! There's always one idiot who thinks you aren't stating your opinion when you clearly are. By the way, Xeris, look at the bottom of that POST. I stated, clearly, that everything above it was MY OPINION. Fucking hell. On July 04 2008 03:15 Xeris wrote: Ron Paul has poor public speaking skills, out of any candidate recently, Obama is by far the best orator of the group. No...Obama has good public speaking skills when speaking to dumb, unwise, unsavvy, ill-educated 'morans'. Sorry mate, but I don't give a shit if you don't stutter, if you can raise your fucking voice, or if you can CONSTANTLY REPEAT TRICOLON CRESCENDOS AND OTHER..ORATORICAL.......DEVICES *waits for applause*. Devices like, the old man who doesn't have enough money for gas, the lady who can't afford to send her children to school, the youngster who doesn't have enough change for a penny sweet. (Ps that's one of obama's most irritatingly ubiquitous techniques and believe me it grates if you just fucking keep one ear open for it). Obama has shown no talent for speaking on an intellectual level. I'd expect that he could, though doubt it would be as good as Ron Paul, but he hasn't tried to, because he is not going for that vote because it means nothing. Intelligence and children had are inversely proportional. When Ron Paul speaks on issues, as long as you are used to hearing debate and clear, succinct, uncoloured sense; you will realise that he addresses the issues directly every time. He has no fucking time to make stupid ass comparisons designed to make sure everyone's attention is drawn. And he certainly doesn't have time to play the stupid popularity game, reminding everyone that he is FIGHTING FOR THEM AND FOR ALL OF OUR DREAMS WHICH WILL ALL BE FULFILLED BECAUSE THAT'S HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS. My OP point, in this context, is that if the average IQ of the USA were 120, then I think Ron Paul would be FAR more understood as the BEST orator and debater of the group. On July 04 2008 03:15 Xeris wrote: Furthermore, if you don't think this is an important quality for a President to have, you are not living in reality. The President should command attention when he speaks, he should be able to move people with his words, and he should have a certain air about him that says "I am the President, and I know what I'm doing" ... Ron Paul does not have this characteristic. The millions who support McCain, Obama, and Clinton can attest to the fact that Ron Paul simply did not draw them in (I can guarantee there are millions of affluent, educated, and knowledgeable voters who have been following the positions of every candidate and made carefully reasoned choices about whom to support). Again, this is correct, but it completely misses the point of my OP. I wasn't saying 'Ron Paul is the person who should be leading America'. I would expect the average IQ of America is probably like 90 or something. And by the way, I do mean IQ as a euphamism for just general social and political, philosophical and intellectual awareness; not just number crunching capacity. If those attributes were more prominent, and I'm sad to say they are clearly not, then I would expect it to be the case that Ron Paul would appeal to a lot more people. On July 04 2008 03:15 Xeris wrote: Simply having good sound policies, and sensible ideas for how to run the country don't mean you will make an effective President. Correct. Diplomacy is important. Ron Paul is very diplomatic. Sensibility and humility is important. I don't see Ron Paul constantly lauding himself as the divine emperor with the master plan. I fail to see anything else that's important. And don't say LEADERSHIP. Because, leadership is a good way to keep the masses silent, or get them to do what you want them to, but IF WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS BULLCRAP THEN YOU WILL NOT BE AN EFFECTIVE PRES. You say effective...and in reality I would say that 75% of the effectiveness of a president is the result of their policies. Policies are SO important. For example, George W Bush had leadership and was very capable of (rigging the ballots) harnessing the fear of the nation after 9/11 etc. He got elected into a second term. Does that make him effective? Fuck no! All of his policies are wack. His administration is a big fucking tard of an administration.[/QUOTE] On July 04 2008 03:15 Xeris wrote: You have to look at : leadership skills in potential crisis situations, projected image in the international political scene, domestic leadership, ability to actually DO things, and the speaking bit as I mentioned above... these are just a few examples of qualities that I just don't see in Ron Paul. To me, Ron Paul is just a thinker, he's got some great ideas, but I don't see him as the head of the country. I see him coming up with ideas and giving them to people with more gumption and initiative to actually carry them out. I don't see what you are talking about in the first part. I think that Ron Paul would do the MOST things, and say the LEAST things. He would get shit done, because he wouldn't be constantly desperate to corral the masses. He'd let his actions motivate them. | ||
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On July 04 2008 03:07 HamerD wrote: It's more in the region of 135-140, but anyway you are entitled to your prominent brow, heavy-set jaw, hunched over stance and hunter-gatherer-intelligence-level opinion. I would say that behind all your intellectual bravado is really just ignorance and also return your comment right back to you. there is no fucking way you have an IQ over 100 none | ||
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HamerD
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I wasn't entirely truthful. I've had my iq tested twice officially for schools, to see if I needed a laptop etc on account of my awful handwriting and organisation, and yes well my visual perception iq is only 120, whereas my verbal/comprehension iq is 140. So it would be, I guess, more correct to say my IQ is 130, that or thereabouts. Though in this situation, in which purely the comprehension of concepts is important, I think it's safe to say what I said. | ||
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GeneralStan
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Basically pulling out all the stops and expecting the market to take care of everybody is an idealogically satisfying one, but not one that is really practicable on a grand scale | ||
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Holylight
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On July 04 2008 03:07 HamerD wrote: It's more in the region of 135-140, but anyway you are entitled to your prominent brow, heavy-set jaw, hunched over stance and hunter-gatherer-intelligence-level opinion. I would say that behind all your intellectual bravado is really just ignorance and also return your comment right back to you. loool you're seriously saying your IQ is around 130-140 and the average IQ of America is 90? If you say stuff like that without being sarcastic you are the moran here | ||
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Frits
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On July 04 2008 03:07 HamerD wrote: It's more in the region of 135-140, but anyway you are entitled to your prominent brow, heavy-set jaw, hunched over stance and hunter-gatherer-intelligence-level opinion. I would say that behind all your intellectual bravado is really just ignorance and also return your comment right back to you. Just wondering, what do you study. (And what university.) ps. Did you just try to come off as intelligent because lol that was the lamest attempt ever at using big words to impress someone. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 04:11 GeneralStan wrote: There are many very intelligent people out there who think that dismantling the federal reserve and abolishing the income tax aren't good ideas, that globalization is a good thing, and that the market isn't going to work naturally in a way that favors the average American. Basically pulling out all the stops and expecting the market to take care of everybody is an idealogically satisfying one, but not one that is really practicable on a grand scale Ok, thank you for at least providing a point of view on the matter at hand. Now I'm not at all qualified to talk about economic issues, but that doesn't mean people can win an argument just by hiding behind economic concepts. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a president can't just come into office and change everything immediately. He can't completely rewrite your country without congressional approval, right? Forgive me if that's wrong. Now one, basic, and I think very important point, again my opinion, is this: regardless of how bungling any mismanagement of the US economy could be by any potential president: it would never do worse to the US economy than the full scale Iraq occupation. But actually, looking over Ron Paul's ideas, the only one I really disagree with is a free market healthcare system, when a national health system is the only truly human way to go towards healthcare. I really don't understand what you mean about globalisation. I am clearly ignorant in that respect. I was under the impression that Ron Paul wanted no occupation of other countries and empire building. Being a libertarian, I'd be surprised if he wanted to stop MaccyD's from taking over the world. But fair enough, if he does, it doesn't mean much to me lol. Please enlighten me. I also don't understand your point about hurting poor people. Paul's intentions are virtuous. Sure they may be wildly idealistic, but I don't see how (my ignorance) they would fail. It's also, I believe, important to note that he doesn't want to return to the post war gold standard, but he does want to return to a steadier system than 'boom and bust' fed. Closing remark of Ron Paul's address to congress regarding the issue: "In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to stand up for working Americans by putting an end to the manipulation of the money supply which erodes Americans' standard of living, enlarges big government, and enriches well-connected elites, by cosponsoring my legislation to abolish the Federal Reserve." | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 04 2008 04:12 Holylight wrote: loool you're seriously saying your IQ is around 130-140 and the average IQ of America is 90? If you say stuff like that without being sarcastic you are the moran here um...hes not that incorrect...the average IQ for most nations is 90-100... + Show Spoiler + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations and heres IQ by state: http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/061022_iq.htm | ||
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Holylight
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On July 04 2008 04:53 Mischy wrote: um...hes not that incorrect...the average IQ for most nations is 90-100... + Show Spoiler + http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations and heres IQ by state: http://www.vdare.com/Sailer/061022_iq.htm um yeah and the editor also says this on that site: "We also publish on VDARE.COM a few writers, for example Jared Taylor, whom I would regard as “white nationalist,” in the sense that they aim to defend the interests of American whites. They are not white supremacists. They do not advocate violence. They are rational and civil. They brush their teeth. But they unashamedly work for their people—exactly as La Raza works for Latinos and the Anti-Defamation League works for Jews. Get used to it. As immigration policy drives whites into a minority, this type of interest-group "white nationalism" will inexorably increase. You read it first on VDARE.COM—and if you don’t like it, let’s have an immigration moratorium now. Umm, I dunno what to make of that. I will find more "interesting" writings on that site | ||
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Mischy
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On July 04 2008 05:11 Holylight wrote: um yeah and the editor also says this on that site: "We also publish on VDARE.COM a few writers, for example Jared Taylor, whom I would regard as “white nationalist,” in the sense that they aim to defend the interests of American whites. They are not white supremacists. They do not advocate violence. They are rational and civil. They brush their teeth. But they unashamedly work for their people—exactly as La Raza works for Latinos and the Anti-Defamation League works for Jews. Get used to it. As immigration policy drives whites into a minority, this type of interest-group "white nationalism" will inexorably increase. You read it first on VDARE.COM—and if you don’t like it, let’s have an immigration moratorium now. Umm, I dunno what to make of that. I will find more "interesting" writings on that site yeah sure or i'll just find a different site with statistics lol...your choice. I'll find another site anyway. | ||
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Of course people have different IQ levels but VDARE.com seems to be very much against immigration and love to talk about IQ and those things combined with the talk about white supremacy turns me off. | ||
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Holylight
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On July 04 2008 05:16 Mischy wrote: yeah sure or i'll just find a different site with statistics lol...your choice. I'll find another site anyway. while you're at it, check the criticism on that wikipedia link, it's pretty heavy | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 05:25 HamerD wrote: lol. Read my post where I said that's true and I say I use IQ of 120 as a euphemism for various good intellectual virtues. It's obvious that the higher someone's IQ, the higher the probability that they will understand things. Sure it does really mean little on it's own, but it's a nice succinct way for me to express my point; that people are dumb for not giving Ron Paul respect. Just in general dumb. He talks far more sense, philosophically and politically, than any of the other candidates. I left out economically there because I'm not qualified to pass judgment. I guess you aren't qualified to talk about globalisation either then which is a very big issue today and should be very important in politics. And about people being dumb for not "getting" Ron Paul? Well that's just your opinion and likely has nothing to with reality at all. Anyone could make up grand schemes and have deep philosophical reasoning but if it doesn't correlate to the real world, it's pretty useless. I'm not saying Ron Paul is bad though, I like many of his ideas but I think many libertarians (like you say you were) would like the notion of being able to choose between different healthcare solutions. Then again american and european libertarians are probably different | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Imo if the average IQ of the USA were 120, STOP! It's HammerD time! Byooooo nunu nu byoooo nuh! [Logic] can't touch this! | ||
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
So what do you think should happen to poor people who don't find a job(illness, too low qualification, too low intelligence, simply not enough jobs available,...). Who are ill but cannot afford treatment. I have the feeling Ron Paul assumes 1) Everybody is intelligent enough to make responsable decisions 2) You are treated fairly by the industry, market, etc 3) You are never struck down by causes beyond your control | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 03 2008 23:43 HamerD wrote: k, that's your opinion. I stated mine. You spelling you're wrong doesn't exactly help your insistence that my opinion is incorrect. Ron Paul is the most honest, sensical and logical person one could have chosen from the list of presidential candidates IMO. He clearly has his head screwed on correctly, and is wiser and more perceptive than the other candidates. He just doesn't win the personality contest, because for some reason everyone has lumped him into this position of blabbering imbecile who doesn't know where he is; because they have taken phrases out of context and mistook pressure of people yelling at him for senility. American politics is almost entirely personality and corruption. Ron Paul is unfortunately underequipped on both counts to win the seat in the white house. Seriously, if you just look at what Obama talks, he just says disney catchphrases and tired, obvious and old oratorical devices in all of his speeches. He is better than McCain as a true republican. And, and this is still my opinion, I have to say that I think Ron Paul 'gets' a lot more than most people in the USA do. He is a more philosophical and reasonable president. That was all in my opinion, in case some retard wants to quote me as trying to state fact. Ps. The reason I support Ron Paul is because he has the most scruples and perception. In all honesty, I think economics and national safety will always be advised on by your admistrative staff. What's important, I think, is to present a good face of diplomacy and wisdom to the rest of the world; stability to the American people and to speak with clarity on important subjects. Presidents surely don't just lock themselves away in a room and decide all of the economic policies of a country, do they? Ron Paul does not present a good face of diplomacy to the rest of the world. And honestly, it takes more than logic to be a good president. Presidents make history and history makes presidents. Obama is far more philosophical than either candidate (I mean, he actually understands philosophy and social science) and although he is a politician, his background efforts are a bit more genuine than some people are giving him credit for. Arguments about IQ are fucking ridiculous. Why don't we have a debate whether Santa Clause exists or not (he doesn't.) | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Why don't we have a debate whether Santa Clause exists or not (he doesn't.) ='( | ||
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Kingsp4de20
United States716 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Presidents surely don't just lock themselves away in a room and decide all of the economic policies of a country, do they? BTW if Ron Paul had his way, he wouldn't have economic advisers. Surely you must appreciate some of the work of your countryman John Maynard Keynes. | ||
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man
United States272 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72261¤tpage=2#35 | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:17 man wrote: HamerD, you follow astrology, you have no right to judge the intelligence of other people http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=72261¤tpage=2#35 AHAHAHHAHA. How can you talk about the virtue of logic when you believe that crap? | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 04 2008 05:42 MasterOfChaos wrote: @HamerD So what do you think should happen to poor people who don't find a job(illness, too low qualification, too low intelligence, simply not enough jobs available,...). Who are ill but cannot afford treatment. I have the feeling Ron Paul assumes 1) Everybody is intelligent enough to make responsable decisions 2) You are treated fairly by the industry, market, etc 3) You are never struck down by causes beyond your control I was under the impression that Ron Paul advocates making social security an optional payment. If people care about others in society, let them show it. It is more democratic that way anyway. That may be wrong, but I am very busy and depressed, trying to find my passport which if I don't have will prevent me from going on holiday on saturday . I can't research this ugh. I think he says if you pay into social security, you will get it if you need it. I do not think Ron Paul would completely ignore invalids. He would just streamline social security so that it is only given to people who deserve it. Older people get social security if they paid in when younger. Ron Paul is ALL about stopping people abusing the 'welfare state'. | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 04 2008 05:30 Holylight wrote: while you're at it, check the criticism on that wikipedia link, it's pretty heavy Nah i'm not gonna bother holylight I have practicing to do and regardless, 90-100 is considered average anyway...theres not any real harm done here. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
Seniors hope the system will hold together for the remainder of their lives, while younger working people hope government will somehow fix things before they retire. Not surprisingly, Congress has chosen to ignore the problem until it becomes acute. It’s hard to sell voters on austerity today to avoid a relatively distant crisis. Politicians usually operate on the opposite principle, by promising great things now and leaving the bills for others to pay later. " | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 04 2008 04:07 HamerD wrote: Ugh. Well I'm not going to flame war with anyone. One insulting post is enough for me. You are welcome to doubt my intelligence fusionsdf, as you probably doubt the reflection in the mirror is actually the same person as you. You have loads of posts etc, and you are sometimes quite funny, I think, well at least yeah I think; so I'm not going to bother to respond to that shit. I wasn't entirely truthful. I've had my iq tested twice officially for schools, to see if I needed a laptop etc on account of my awful handwriting and organisation, and yes well my visual perception iq is only 120, whereas my verbal/comprehension iq is 140. So it would be, I guess, more correct to say my IQ is 130, that or thereabouts. Though in this situation, in which purely the comprehension of concepts is important, I think it's safe to say what I said. Mischy, how can you possibly fuck a person like this? Does he have a 14" cock made out of diamonds or something? | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:23 Jibba wrote: AHAHAHHAHA. How can you talk about the virtue of logic when you believe that crap? How does astrology defy logic. It's never been even close to tested properly. All the bullshit scientific tests I have seen have COMPLETELY fucking failed to understand the point of astrology. I doubt you will ever have an open mind to something like this. Understanding astrology takes open eyes- you have to observe everyone around you and pick up on the patterns, and then realise that astrology helps you understand that. You also have to realise that astrology does not predict what someone's social personality is...just what their personality would be like if they had no impinging past experiences (huge changes to personality in everyone) and if their genetics didn't prevent them from being normal (ie an overworked testosterone production might lead to an irascible person, even if their astrological personality dictated otherwise). That's beside the point, and you are welcome to hearing my defence of astrology at a later date. It is an incredibly hard thing, to get people to understand things like astrology. It really requires that you give it some leeway BEFORE tightening up. If you immediately try to squeeze astrology into a one line definition that is as certain as gravity, you will fail. It seems like today I am attracting negativity, and a lot of foolish, e-bravado toting dickheads. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:39 HamerD wrote: It seems like today I am attracting negativity, and a lot of foolish, e-bravado toting dickheads. Probably because you're a Cancer. | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:35 Jibba wrote: Mischy, how can you possibly fuck a person like this? Does he have a 14" cock made out of diamonds or something? Jibba how did you know?! :O Have you been gettin' it on with him behind my back? :'( But honestly he's really great...yeah sure he has a temper at times and yeah sometimes he does state an opinion that might be odd or stupid to some But hes really passionate about things and hes willing to listen and change his mind when information is given and explained (yes...hes capable of understanding your point of view and yes it IS possible to change his mind...i've done it before :O). He likes to debate as i'm sure you've noticed but it seems like everyone's just giving him a hard time instead of saying something that would change his opinion. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:35 Jibba wrote: Mischy, how can you possibly fuck a person like this? Does he have a 14" cock made out of diamonds or something? Jesus christ. Man. Ok. The fact that you even used that word just...well...I have lost even more respect for you. Seriously, you want reasons? This is just for you jibba, cos both mischy and I agree you are an arrogant cunt. I would really prefer that people other than jibba don't read this, but I want to keep any argument we have public because I don't want to have to repeat myself to any douches who are like you. So be it if I'm subjected to ridicule. I know most people who would choose to insult me have worse lives than I, and accept if they are so dissatisfied with themselves that they feel the need to take it out on me: + Show Spoiler + 1. I'm far more talented than you'll ever be at lots of things (I have no proof but I really, deeply expect so) 2. I'm far more funny than you'll ever be (around people who aren't stupid, whooping american seals at least). I am not entirely in tune with TL humour because it is far below the usual sort of humour of my friends, and it's hard to stoop 3. I'm attractive 4. I'm definitely more intelligent, philosophical, wise, well-read, charming and intellectual than you 5. I'm an exciting, enthusiastic person; with a lot of time for any charitable cause. I'm a passionate and emotional philanthrope. 6. I'm an elitist, and refuse to accept anything but the best 7. I have an incredibly eclectic range of things I enjoy, which is stimulating for people around me. I am always busy. From sports/ gym, to philosophy and politics, to gaming, to music, to academia and esoteric exploration; I do a lot of things which means I have a lot of interesting things to talk about. 8. I take life seriously...I have a lot of emotion and passion. I care about things, and I'm very protective and loyal of and to my friends. There really are many more reasons why michelle likes me, and I can say that with total confidence in her agreeing with what I've put. If I had to take a WILD shot in the dark jibba, I'd say you are either an air sign or an aries. Aries because they are pugnacious cunts, or an air sign because they always fail @ opening their minds. You are like my ex...oh shit I just checked yes you are a libra. Fucking typical haha! Man...you will never get anything more than the most basic bread and butter facts. Sorry, but you don't know what it's like to dream. You are another typical cynical air sign. You'll never be able to prove me wrong because you'll just respond with hostility. I really pity you, that you cannot see any further than the end of your nose. Now when you do respond to this post, know that I won't respond in kind. Like I say, I'll busy myself with ONE direct flame. This isn't even a rude one, just a general negative assessment of your being. I don't want to discuss with you any further anything other than ron paul in this blog. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
And so am I and probably (lol) 1/12 of the people of the earth. Anywho, did you know that given the positions planets stand in today compared to when astrology was big like a long time ago (thousands of years), the signs have actually moved into the sign next after them, so a taurus would be a gemini and a cancer would be a leo, LOL I gotta admit I've read alot on astrology as well and used to think it was pretty cool and accurate, because I'm like that, interested in unusual theories and ideas. However I realized that it's a form of self-deception and very emotional belief, ie all scientific research says clearly that astrology does not work at all. It just doesn't So ask yourself whether you are walking through life putting people into certain categories because of their starsign (which doesn't influence them at all) and if this actually has a big impact on how you behave and how you perceive others. For me it was a mind-opener tbh, because like I said I used to be into astrology because it's fascinating, it's about people and what makes us tick... BUT, it doesn't work. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
By the way, as regards your actual point you made: I completely disagree about your contrary opinion to mine regarding Ron Paul's diplomacy. Ron Paul doesn't present a bad face. Ron Paul is bloody close to the ideals of the founding fathers. He is always pressing the agenda of HEALING relationships with the middle east, which would ameliorate relationships EVERYWHERE. He is in favour of isolationism, a perfectly valid and respectable policy which Europe maintains. That does not mean cutting short diplomatic talks or state vists, christ no. What makes you think Ron Paul would be a poor host for diplomats or other state leaders? The way he talks exudes intellectual leadership. He is never wont to raise his voice. I don't see what the hell you are talking about, to be honest. Of all the things that could be considered wrong with ron paul, how can you POSSIBLY say it is his diplomacy to foreign states? His foreign policy propositions are like the most diplomatic you could want :S. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:55 HamerD wrote: Jesus christ. Man. Ok. The fact that you even used that word just...well...I have lost even more respect for you. Seriously, you want reasons? This is just for you jibba, cos both mischy and I agree you are an arrogant cunt. I would really prefer that people other than jibba don't read this, but I want to keep any argument we have public because I don't want to have to repeat myself to any douches who are like you. So be it if I'm subjected to ridicule. I know most people who would choose to insult me have worse lives than I, and accept if they are so dissatisfied with themselves that they feel the need to take it out on me: + Show Spoiler + 1. I'm far more talented than you'll ever be at lots of things (I have no proof but I really, deeply expect so) 2. I'm far more funny than you'll ever be (around people who aren't stupid, whooping american seals at least). I am not entirely in tune with TL humour because it is far below the usual sort of humour of my friends, and it's hard to stoop 3. I'm attractive 4. I'm definitely more intelligent, philosophical, wise, well-read, charming and intellectual than you 5. I'm an exciting, enthusiastic person; with a lot of time for any charitable cause. I'm a passionate and emotional philanthrope. 6. I'm an elitist, and refuse to accept anything but the best 7. I have an incredibly eclectic range of things I enjoy, which is stimulating for people around me. I am always busy. From sports/ gym, to philosophy and politics, to gaming, to music, to academia and esoteric exploration; I do a lot of things which means I have a lot of interesting things to talk about. 8. I take life seriously...I have a lot of emotion and passion. I care about things, and I'm very protective and loyal of and to my friends. There really are many more reasons why michelle likes me, and I can say that with total confidence in her agreeing with what I've put. If I had to take a WILD shot in the dark jibba, I'd say you are either an air sign or an aries. Aries because they are pugnacious cunts, or an air sign because they always fail @ opening their minds. You are like my ex...oh shit I just checked yes you are a libra. Fucking typical haha! Man...you will never get anything more than the most basic bread and butter facts. Sorry, but you don't know what it's like to dream. You are another typical cynical air sign. You'll never be able to prove me wrong because you'll just respond with hostility. I really pity you, that you cannot see any further than the end of your nose. Now when you do respond to this post, know that I won't respond in kind. Like I say, I'll busy myself with ONE direct flame. This isn't even a rude one, just a general negative assessment of your being. I don't want to discuss with you any further anything other than ron paul in this blog. Oh god this is just too hilarious Isn't your girlfriend a gemini? Does she always fail at opening her mind? Astrological "fact" is that air signs are supposed to be very intellectual and philosophical and very flexible when it comes to new thoughts and ideas Also it seems you dont care about ascendant and moon positions which are almost equally as "important" in astrology as the sunsign. so it seems you don't even know astrology lol Besides you seem to be so full of yourself I dunno what to say. [/end]astrology rant | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:59 Holylight wrote: And so am I and probably (lol) 1/12 of the people of the earth. Anywho, did you know that given the positions planets stand in today compared to when astrology was big like a long time ago (thousands of years), the signs have actually moved into the sign next after them, so a taurus would be a gemini and a cancer would be a leo, LOL I gotta admit I've read alot on astrology No you haven't. The actual position of physical objects in space means NOTHING to astrology. There aren't fucking magical moonbeams jesus fucking christ. Read into numerology and political philosophy too. Astrology is about understanding patterns that exist in the tiniest array of organisms all the way up to the largest constellation of stars. There ARE patterns. In human society, in animal society, in general nature (yes, just fucking keep your eyes open jesus christ). The revolution of the stages of society suggested by that philosopher, think she was a woman. That's all just basic astrology. By the way, for christ's sake, just so people get this, astrological personality (not social and therefore not your entire personality) is governed by the very SECOND you are born. Not just 12 subdivisions ugh. So much surface reading and wikipedia in some people it hurts. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:00 HamerD wrote: He is in favour of isolationism, a perfectly valid and respectable policy which Europe maintains. Ron Paul disagrees with you. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
1. I'm far more talented than you'll ever be at lots of things (I have no proof but I really, deeply expect so) Bahahahaha! No sense of modesty whatsoever. "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:05 HamerD wrote: No you haven't. The actual position of physical objects in space means NOTHING to astrology. There aren't fucking magical moonbeams jesus fucking christ. Read into numerology and political philosophy too. Astrology is about understanding patterns that exist in the tiniest array of organisms all the way up to the largest constellation of stars. There ARE patterns. Means nothing eh? Then why do you calculate the EXACT angles planets are in in a natal chart? I hope you are joking or something Numerology? rofl i wouldnt touch that new age stuff with a ten foot pole, and its kind of hilarious how you put numerology and political philosophy in the same sentence like they would have any kind of connection. I don't know what to make of you, I guess you are just making shit up and laughing your ass of lol because I cant take you seriously. I could have if you actually knew what you were talking about but this is a bad case of really not having a clue, sorry mate. "Astrology is about understanding patterns that exist in the tiniest array of organisms all the way up to the largest constellation of stars. There ARE patterns." rofl, far out dude | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:04 Holylight wrote: Isn't your girlfriend a gemini? Does she always fail at opening her mind? Astrological "fact" is that air signs are supposed to be very intellectual and philosophical and very flexible when it comes to new thoughts and ideas Actually read into it further, you ignorant tit. Lol, I think you just literally took a chunk out of wikipedia hah, i just found the opening paragraph. Please say you didn't *slaps face like frustrated baboon*. For some reason the source you have briefly read is 'biased' if you will towards gemini, which is much more open minded and less cynical (but still cynical) than libra and aquarius. And btw, yeah mischy is cynical in a lot of ways but when she argues she likes to be on the winning side and know all the facts, so she will generally educate herself enough to be considered open minded. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:15 HamerD wrote: Actually read into it further, you ignorant tit. Lol, I think you just literally took a chunk out of wikipedia hah, i just found the opening paragraph. Please say you didn't *slaps face like frustrated baboon*. For some reason the source you have briefly read is 'biased' if you will towards gemini, which is much more open minded and less cynical (but still cynical) than libra and aquarius. And btw, yeah mischy is cynical in a lot of ways but when she argues she likes to be on the winning side and know all the facts, so she will generally educate herself enough to be considered open minded. Theres more to learning stuff than looking at wikipedia, and no I didn't look there. Again I didn't look at Wikipedia. How is Libra cynical, when they are probably the most optimistic (and outgoing) sign in the zodiac? "or an air sign because they always fail @ opening their minds" so I guess she doesn't "always" fail at opening her mind then. way to change what you said lolol | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:12 Holylight wrote: Means nothing eh? Then why do you calculate the EXACT angles planets are in in a natal chart? I hope you are joking or something Numerology? rofl i wouldnt touch that new age stuff with a ten foot pole, and its kind of hilarious how you put numerology and political philosophy in the same sentence like they would have any kind of connection. I don't know what to make of you, I guess you are just making shit up and laughing your ass of lol because I cant take you seriously. I could have if you actually knew what you were talking about but this is a bad case of really not having a clue, sorry mate. "Astrology is about understanding patterns that exist in the tiniest array of organisms all the way up to the largest constellation of stars. There ARE patterns." rofl, far out dude Holylight, firstly, to quell this petulant moronity- you calculate the angles planets are in natal charts because their positions in the sky still represent the patterns. Astrology is an empirically obtained method of understanding the reason why person A likes to stay in and person B likes to go out or why person A is argumentative and person B is passive. You use the position of planets to chart that. The fact that the planets are there makes no difference, but the fact that you have a moving chart that's big enough and unalterable enough to be a constant reference DOES. Your second part is just ridiculous. I can't believe you are so braindead that you find this entertaining. You are another easily amused little runt sitting there at his computer clapping his sweaty little palms together in glee at every single serious statement someone makes; because of course, if you actually went into the big wide world, for example with the talent that you display on your cover of dcfc; you would be ripped apart faster than a dog on your dinner plater (unless you aren't actually from korea). | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:55 HamerD wrote: Jesus christ. Man. Ok. The fact that you even used that word just...well...I have lost even more respect for you. Seriously, you want reasons? This is just for you jibba, cos both mischy and I agree you are an arrogant cunt. I would really prefer that people other than jibba don't read this, but I want to keep any argument we have public because I don't want to have to repeat myself to any douches who are like you. So be it if I'm subjected to ridicule. I know most people who would choose to insult me have worse lives than I, and accept if they are so dissatisfied with themselves that they feel the need to take it out on me: + Show Spoiler + 1. I'm far more talented than you'll ever be at lots of things (I have no proof but I really, deeply expect so) 2. I'm far more funny than you'll ever be (around people who aren't stupid, whooping american seals at least). I am not entirely in tune with TL humour because it is far below the usual sort of humour of my friends, and it's hard to stoop 3. I'm attractive 4. I'm definitely more intelligent, philosophical, wise, well-read, charming and intellectual than you 5. I'm an exciting, enthusiastic person; with a lot of time for any charitable cause. I'm a passionate and emotional philanthrope. 6. I'm an elitist, and refuse to accept anything but the best 7. I have an incredibly eclectic range of things I enjoy, which is stimulating for people around me. I am always busy. From sports/ gym, to philosophy and politics, to gaming, to music, to academia and esoteric exploration; I do a lot of things which means I have a lot of interesting things to talk about. 8. I take life seriously...I have a lot of emotion and passion. I care about things, and I'm very protective and loyal of and to my friends. There really are many more reasons why michelle likes me, and I can say that with total confidence in her agreeing with what I've put. If I had to take a WILD shot in the dark jibba, I'd say you are either an air sign or an aries. Aries because they are pugnacious cunts, or an air sign because they always fail @ opening their minds. You are like my ex...oh shit I just checked yes you are a libra. Fucking typical haha! Man...you will never get anything more than the most basic bread and butter facts. Sorry, but you don't know what it's like to dream. You are another typical cynical air sign. You'll never be able to prove me wrong because you'll just respond with hostility. I really pity you, that you cannot see any further than the end of your nose. Now when you do respond to this post, know that I won't respond in kind. Like I say, I'll busy myself with ONE direct flame. This isn't even a rude one, just a general negative assessment of your being. I don't want to discuss with you any further anything other than ron paul in this blog. This is going to be fun. + Show Spoiler + 1. I have the exact same birthday as you. Check my previous blog. 2. I'm a Dean's list political science and public policy student, and I'll be double majoring in philosophy if my schedules fit 3. During the school year I volunteer for Adopt-a-Classroom, Junior Achievement, a senior citizen community center and Habitat for Humanity, and I don't list them on my resume 4. Student organizations are Philosophy Club, Secular Humanist Group, and I'm on the board of a group that is building a grade school in Cameroon and donating a clean water supply system to their community 5. I'm pretty fucking cute 6. I work out, lift weights, spin, practice Tai Chi and am going to take up boxing during the school year 7. I get sarcasm 8. I'm arrogant, but I am not an elitist. I fucking hate exclusivity; I quit NHS. I'm a man of the people, and I generally defend those that the intarwebs people blindly write off as 'ignorant.' 9. I'm completing three internships this summer. One is political, two deal with kids. I'm not going to get much more specific than that. 10. Blah blah blah I listen to everything, I read everything, I do everything, typical internet bs. I'll be studying abroad next year and I'm choosing between programs at Bilkent University in Turkey and the London School of Economics. 'Pissing in HamerD's tea' is definitely being added to the Pros list for #2. Anything else you want to challenge? My photographs? My ear for music? My performance driving skills? Don't read this if you don't want to get splashed in a pissing contest. EDIT: BTW, in your frenzied intarwabs rage (I can just imagine you hating your monitor right now), you misread my profile. My birthday is not listed. I hope you take a few deep breaths after reading this. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
No he doesn't, this is a terminological inexactitude on my part. My apologies for being vague, but when I said isolationism I meant what Ron Paul means by non-intervention. He advocates keeping america STUCK OUT OF BUSINESS IT DOESN'T BELONG IN. That is good iisolationism which Europe has been doing for awhile since the messes of the middle east in 1920-1960. Keeping away from the vietnams and the iraqs. America NEVER got involved because of some sort of knightly virtue, no matter how much the south was persuaded; always because of an alterior and ridiculously un-defendable (to the public) motive. I apologize for using the word incorrectly. Let me put it clear. I am for America defending its allies against serious threats, like Nazi germany in WWII. I am against America JUMPING into every fight possible where there is an alternate useful outcome. The fact that they are not trying to clean up chechnya or zimbabwe shows that they really care, and have always cared, shit all about defending humans. Defending interests is one thing, but NOT calling it defending interests and instead calling it liberating oppressed people is totally another. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
LOL, HamerD you dont even know the star signs, way to go sir astrologist. you know, its stupid to judge people based on nothing and then getting slapped silly with facts | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On July 04 2008 06:39 HamerD wrote: How does astrology defy logic. It's never been even close to tested properly. All the bullshit scientific tests I have seen have COMPLETELY fucking failed to understand the point of astrology. I doubt you will ever have an open mind to something like this. Understanding astrology takes open eyes- you have to observe everyone around you and pick up on the patterns, and then realise that astrology helps you understand that. You also have to realise that astrology does not predict what someone's social personality is...just what their personality would be like if they had no impinging past experiences (huge changes to personality in everyone) and if their genetics didn't prevent them from being normal (ie an overworked testosterone production might lead to an irascible person, even if their astrological personality dictated otherwise). That's beside the point, and you are welcome to hearing my defence of astrology at a later date. It is an incredibly hard thing, to get people to understand things like astrology. It really requires that you give it some leeway BEFORE tightening up. If you immediately try to squeeze astrology into a one line definition that is as certain as gravity, you will fail. It seems like today I am attracting negativity, and a lot of foolish, e-bravado toting dickheads. Don´t sweat it man, we just don´t get astrology, see we don´t have the mental capacity you possess, not everyone is blessed with an IQ of 140 you know, us lowely peasants will have to stick with rationality and logic for the time being. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:09 PsycHOTemplar wrote: Bahahahaha! No sense of modesty whatsoever. "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing." Jeez don't take me out of context. I said that in anger at Jibba. For the record, I think jibba is a complete moron and therefore in that sentence, I have basically said that I have at least as much talent as a common garden slug. So technically I wasn't even being close to immodest. I agree that, out of context, you could easily make me look like an arrogant bastard. I did try to warn that it could be joked about...don't think you are suddenly surprising me with your controversial and witty pov. | ||
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Jibba
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On July 04 2008 07:00 HamerD wrote: well mischy already responded but im sure she'll back me up. By the way, as regards your actual point you made: I completely disagree about your contrary opinion to mine regarding Ron Paul's diplomacy. Ron Paul doesn't present a bad face. Ron Paul is bloody close to the ideals of the founding fathers. He is always pressing the agenda of HEALING relationships with the middle east, which would ameliorate relationships EVERYWHERE. He is in favour of isolationism, a perfectly valid and respectable policy which Europe maintains. That does not mean cutting short diplomatic talks or state vists, christ no. What makes you think Ron Paul would be a poor host for diplomats or other state leaders? The way he talks exudes intellectual leadership. He is never wont to raise his voice. I don't see what the hell you are talking about, to be honest. Of all the things that could be considered wrong with ron paul, how can you POSSIBLY say it is his diplomacy to foreign states? His foreign policy propositions are like the most diplomatic you could want :S. What do you mean Europe maintains isolationism? What does the European Union mean to you? The Founding Fathers were a group of very wise and intelligent men who had a lot of varying opinions. I'm not sure what "ideals of the founding fathers" means. Do you really think other countries (especially in Europe) would be pleased with us if we pulled out of the U.N. and NATO? Japan, South Korea? They'd shit themselves if there were nothing between them and Beijing. How about the gold standard? Automatic deflation when we buy goods from other countries. How about a nice repeat of the Hunt brothers? | ||
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Jibba
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On July 04 2008 07:22 HamerD wrote: This is the funniest thing I've read all day. It's like Jane Austen crossed with Mark Twain.Holylight, firstly, to quell this petulant moronity- | ||
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Chef
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I said that in anger at Jibba. That just makes you a terrible debater, because all your 'arguments' are logical fallacies. Be humble, and maybe people will want to listen to you, keep talking how you are, and no one is going to care what you think. You're completely in context, and I wasn't trying to catch you off guard. I'm just pointing out for your own advantage what jumps out at people in your writing. If that's not what you want people to focus on, you need to to cut it. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 07:23 Jibba wrote: This is going to be fun. + Show Spoiler + 1. I have the exact same birthday as you. Check my previous blog. 2. I'm a Dean's list political science and public policy student, and I'll be double majoring in philosophy if my schedules fit 3. During the school year I volunteer for Adopt-a-Classroom, Junior Achievement, a senior citizen community center and Habitat for Humanity, and I don't list them on my resume 4. Student organizations are Philosophy Club, Secular Humanist Group, and I'm on the board of a group that is building a grade school in Cameroon and donating a clean water supply system to their community 5. I'm pretty fucking cute 6. I work out, lift weights, spin, practice Tai Chi and am going to take up boxing during the school year 7. I get sarcasm 8. I'm arrogant, but I am not an elitist. I fucking hate exclusivity; I quit NHS. I'm a man of the people, and I generally defend those that the intarwebs people blindly write off as 'ignorant.' 9. I'm completing three internships this summer. One is political, two deal with kids. I'm not going to get much more specific than that. 10. Blah blah blah I listen to everything, I read everything, I do everything, typical internet bs. I'll be studying abroad next year and I'm choosing between programs at Bilkent University in Turkey and the London School of Economics. 'Pissing in HamerD's tea' is definitely being added to the Pros list for #2. Anything else you want to challenge? My photographs? My ear for music? My performance driving skills? Btw still up for any good points about ron paul/ rebuttals of my opinion. + Show Spoiler + Ok, let's get this out of the way first. I respect the charity you do, and respect your humanist activity. But, since when did I challenge you, you god damn belligerent twat. I did NOT initiate a pissing contest, despite how much you were DESPERATE to tell me all those things about you. I was explaining why Mischy likes me. Capiche? God, you were just DESPERATE to unleash those facts huh. I bet you sat there, slightly erect, making a low orgasmic sigh of ecstasy as your body reclined back to full horizontal position and you issued forth that post, probably giggling slightly; FINALLY the whole WORLD will know that you can do so much and are so perfect. Let's just recap, I told you that list because you ASKED why mischy likes me. You sent your list because you are desperate for everyone to know your unbelievable attributes. Oh YES! They are all realising my achievements, yes, the warm goo of acceptance! So, aside from that pissing contest, which never existed because I was not interested in such a thing, I'm not at ALL retracting my point about talent. I still think you are probably a deeply unimaginative, untalented sod. You just strike me as that sort of person. Also, about comedy, I think you are as out of possession of a good sense of humour as boxer is a weakness. Now, regarding my complete failure in guessing your star sign...yep damn. That's a mistake from my part. Not that it's at all easy to get someone's personality from the internet. You act like a libra, ironically, in that you are a cynical and unimaginative dimwad. You act on the internet more air than water, definitely. But that's my mistake. Astrology isn't an automatic hack to life. I would have a larger chance to guess your star sign if I met you, but there's always a huge chance I'd fail miserably. Astrology is really useful in relationships, diplomatic, friendly or romantic. It's not useful as a cheap parlour trick. Well I guess I owe everyone an apology for my smug false-gratification. I was indeed wrong about guessing your star sign, so you can win that one. I find your arrogance and unwillingness to engage in proper debate shocking for someone with such a position in life and prospective university career. Perhaps you could show me a properly constructed argument. You'll find that I can respond to the highest level of debate...but you can already see that I don't respond very articulately or ornately to cynical ad hominems. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 07:31 Holylight wrote: LOL, HamerD you dont even know the star signs, way to go sir astrologist. you know, its stupid to judge people based on nothing and then getting slapped silly with facts Ok you're right about that. The first part, well I do and I don't. I know more than you, who skims from wiki, but I never said I was incredibly knowledgeable in astrology. Regardless, however, my mistake there was nothing to do with astrological knowledge. + Show Spoiler + You should know that guessing someone's true personality over the internets is like stopping you from devouring a poor, defenseless, slightly whimpering and limping puppy- difficult as fuck. Ps you are korean right | ||
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On July 04 2008 07:47 PsycHOTemplar wrote: That just makes you a terrible debater, because all your 'arguments' are logical fallacies. Be humble, and maybe people will want to listen to you, keep talking how you are, and no one is going to care what you think. You're completely in context, and I wasn't trying to catch you off guard. I'm just pointing out for your own advantage what jumps out at people in your writing. If that's not what you want people to focus on, you need to to cut it. That's why I put it in spoiler :S. I gave my reasons for actually showing it in the thread. Because I want any confrontation to be public so that I don't have to repeat myself ever. And I wasn't debating Jibba, man wtf! Did you SEE WHAT HE PUT? He was just insulting, not asking for a debate lol. Comon, read the rest of the posts to see what happened. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 07:50 Xeris wrote: HamerD clearly likes trying to impress people by trying to make himself sound like some sort of genius Wait, where is your response to my detailed response to your post? Did I miss it? I'll have a look back through. If you didn't respond, and you just waited to say this, then well christ I'm just ashamed on your behalf. | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 07:35 Jibba wrote: What do you mean Europe maintains isolationism? What does the European Union mean to you? The Founding Fathers were a group of very wise and intelligent men who had a lot of varying opinions. I'm not sure what "ideals of the founding fathers" means. Do you really think other countries (especially in Europe) would be pleased with us if we pulled out of the U.N. and NATO? Japan, South Korea? They'd shit themselves if there were nothing between them and Beijing. How about the gold standard? Automatic deflation when we buy goods from other countries. How about a nice repeat of the Hunt brothers? Ok, again, about the economics, I cannot answer you intently. Let's firstly remind ourselves that Paul would have to push it through congress, at least that's what I think. I don't know if the gold standard is a good idea or a bad idea. I surface read about it being different to the post war gold standard which crashed in the 70's. I am not entirely sure. Are you entirely sure? I would prefer to hear from an economist. Why do you say that about Japan? I'm pretty sure the US has learned its lesson from nazi germany. If China invaded Japan, I would expect that would constitute a large enough ally being attacked to warrant full scale war. I wouldn't expect China to immediately invade. Regardless, Americas presence in those situations is, I doubt, forced by NATO. The U.N. is a slow, lumbering dinosaur and America owns it and can do what it wants when it wants. Just signing its name on a piece of paper doesn't do much. About the founding fathers and their ideals, clearly there was a big difference of opinion. Clearly, I do know that. What I mean by their opinions is that, big business wasn't directly in mind when they drafted the constitution, massive social security sponging and constant foreign invasions was NOT in mind. I can tell you that for sure. The political ideals of the original constitution have been bent and shaped to suit the most powerful in America, and to cripple the basic worker. Oil companies make the money from invading Iraq; why shouldn't THEY be footing the military bill, rather than the american taxpayer?! | ||
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Jibba
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"Perspective university career"? College is an excellent place to learn, but it does not make or break a person. I get the feeling you cling to textbooks over experience. Also, about comedy, I think you are as out of possession of a good sense of humour as boxer is a weakness. I responded to your post about Ron Paul. If you'd finally like to enter the world of political science, social science, or any non-star-positional-pseudo science, I'd be glad to start. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:52 HamerD wrote: Btw still up for any good points about ron paul/ rebuttals of my opinion. + Show Spoiler + Ok, let's get this out of the way first. I respect the charity you do, and respect your humanist activity. But, since when did I challenge you, you god damn belligerent twat. I did NOT initiate a pissing contest, despite how much you were DESPERATE to tell me all those things about you. I was explaining why Mischy likes me. Capiche? God, you were just DESPERATE to unleash those facts huh. I bet you sat there, slightly erect, making a low orgasmic sigh of ecstasy as your body reclined back to full horizontal position and you issued forth that post, probably giggling slightly; FINALLY the whole WORLD will know that you can do so much and are so perfect. Let's just recap, I told you that list because you ASKED why mischy likes me. You sent your list because you are desperate for everyone to know your unbelievable attributes. Oh YES! They are all realising my achievements, yes, the warm goo of acceptance! So, aside from that pissing contest, which never existed because I was not interested in such a thing, I'm not at ALL retracting my point about talent. I still think you are probably a deeply unimaginative, untalented sod. You just strike me as that sort of person. Also, about comedy, I think you are as out of possession of a good sense of humour as boxer is a weakness. Now, regarding my complete failure in guessing your star sign...yep damn. That's a mistake from my part. Not that it's at all easy to get someone's personality from the internet. You act like a libra, ironically, in that you are a cynical and unimaginative dimwad. You act on the internet more air than water, definitely. But that's my mistake. Astrology isn't an automatic hack to life. I would have a larger chance to guess your star sign if I met you, but there's always a huge chance I'd fail miserably. Astrology is really useful in relationships, diplomatic, friendly or romantic. It's not useful as a cheap parlour trick. Well I guess I owe everyone an apology for my smug false-gratification. I was indeed wrong about guessing your star sign, so you can win that one. I find your arrogance and unwillingness to engage in proper debate shocking for someone with such a position in life and prospective university career. Perhaps you could show me a properly constructed argument. You'll find that I can respond to the highest level of debate...but you can already see that I don't respond very articulately or ornately to cynical ad hominems. ugh so much bullshit here i dont know what to say you say one thing, take it back, say it again in a different way yada yada youre just full of shit. in case you havent noticed (which you havent, but a good debater should have) is that Jibba is reacting to your arguments about Ron Paul and when you dont have anything to say you just make up some jibberish; either personal attacks or mention how awesome you are. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 07:56 HamerD wrote: Ok you're right about that. The first part, well I do and I don't. I know more than you, who skims from wiki, but I never said I was incredibly knowledgeable in astrology. Regardless, however, my mistake there was nothing to do with astrological knowledge. + Show Spoiler + You should know that guessing someone's true personality over the internets is like stopping you from devouring a poor, defenseless, slightly whimpering and limping puppy- difficult as fuck. Ps you are korean right You do and you don't. Ok right, good whatever I still havent looked at wikipedia about astrology. The fact that you bring up wikipedia all the time says more about you looking up shit there all the time. And yeah you come across like you know everything about astrology and how its connected to numerology and political philosophy, seriously wtf lol "THERE ARE PATTERNS" -_- | ||
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HamerD
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On July 04 2008 08:10 Jibba wrote: Three of your first four qualities were comparative. I'm positive Michelle doesn't like you because of your achievements in respect to mine, so therefore you did initiate a pissing contest. "Perspective university career"? College is an excellent place to learn, but it does not make or break a person. I get the feeling you cling to textbooks over experience. That is awful writing. I responded to your post about Ron Paul. If you'd finally like to enter the world of political science, social science, or any non-star-positional-pseudo science, I'd be glad to start. Dude that second sentence you make is a complete non-sequitur. You're right, Michelle doesn't like me because of my education or charity work...'achievements', since when did I say she did. I told you the reasons she likes me, simple. That's not a pissing contest. Christ. I dropped out of college at 17, to my eternal shame, because I refused to be given a B in latin; which horrified and disappointed all of my teachers. (In my defence, I always refused to learn english for a latin exam, and the entire exam was pre-translated [into english] poetry which we had to know volumes of and answer pointless, whimsical questions about) If I wrote perspective university career then I am sorry for not putting prospective, I am tired. That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction. I forgot the name of the construction but it's valid. I'm certain. Basically, it intimates that the second part of the sentence is to be read by substituting 'out of possession of' in before 'is'. Ie: You are AS out of possession of a good sense of humour AS boxer is out of possession of a weakness. Believe me, you couldn't view me more wrongly if you think I am the sort of person who clings to textbooks. I of course welcome anything you have to say about Ron Paul and won't argue vehemently my opinion because I don't know enough about the facts. I might end up admitting that my OP was wrong, and change my opinion. | ||
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Jibba
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On July 04 2008 08:07 HamerD wrote: There's two main types of economists. Paul's philosophy is kin to a third type that is laughed at by the other two. You can't like Ron Paul for his policies and then justify his poor position on economics by relying on Congress' inevitable restraint on his policies. If you like Ron Paul for his economics policies, then you have to agree to at least one of these: abolishment of the Federal Reserve, gold standard, general laissez faire.Ok, again, about the economics, I cannot answer you intently. Let's firstly remind ourselves that Paul would have to push it through congress, at least that's what I think. I don't know if the gold standard is a good idea or a bad idea. I surface read about it being different to the post war gold standard which crashed in the 70's. I am not entirely sure. Are you entirely sure? I would prefer to hear from an economist. Why do you say that about Japan? I'm pretty sure the US has learned its lesson from nazi germany. If China invaded Japan, I would expect that would constitute a large enough ally being attacked to warrant full scale war. I wouldn't expect China to immediately invade. Regardless, Americas presence in those situations is, I doubt, forced by NATO. The U.N. is a slow, lumbering dinosaur and America owns it and can do what it wants when it wants. Just signing its name on a piece of paper doesn't do much. About the founding fathers and their ideals, clearly there was a big difference of opinion. Clearly, I do know that. What I mean by their opinions is that, big business wasn't directly in mind when they drafted the constitution, massive social security sponging and constant foreign invasions was NOT in mind. I can tell you that for sure. The political ideals of the original constitution have been bent and shaped to suit the most powerful in America, and to cripple the basic worker. Oil companies make the money from invading Iraq; why shouldn't THEY be footing the military bill, rather than the american taxpayer?! Sigh. I'll start at the bottom. Iraq wasn't about making money for the oil companies. They had fantastic contracts with Saddam. Now they have to worry about security. How can you talk about cutting social security and other social welfare programs and then mention the Constitution being bent to cripple the basic worker? Capitalists constantly search for new ways to make money, using any exploitations or cracks possible. When laissez faire is in place, they do a damn good job of it. When the government steps in, they still do a good job but they're held back a bit. I'm pretty critical of US Foreign Policy, even with "good" outcomes like Kosovo, but you're attributing the Founding Fathers with a clairvoyance none of them had. We all make that mistake. Presidents make history and history makes presidents. What seems good and bad now will be irrelevant and forgotten (maybe less so with the internet around) in 50 years. George Washington, who I regard as the greatest of all US Presidents, also said we should govern with a Bible in hand and that we should make no foreign alliances. | ||
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On July 04 2008 08:17 Holylight wrote: You do and you don't. Ok right, good whatever I still havent looked at wikipedia about astrology. The fact that you bring up wikipedia all the time says more about you looking up shit there all the time. And yeah you come across like you know everything about astrology and how its connected to numerology and political philosophy, seriously wtf lol "THERE ARE PATTERNS" -_- hehe I like people who say things like "Hey....isn't astrology just something cosmopolitan magazine throws in the back pages to fill up space?" Anyway people who study astrology typically study numerology along with it because they do actually go together. Thats how you get your charts etc...and yes there are certain "patterns" presented in astrology...a lot is based on mathematical equations. There are different branches in astrology and Ron Paul is definitely not involved in any of it so perhaps it should just be left alone for another time :D | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 04 2008 08:23 HamerD wrote: Oh, you. Teehee! Charity was actually a part of your list. Anyways, "in respect to mine" was a key part of that sentence. Michelle likes you because you're smart; she does not like you because you're smarter than me. You did not write that you are smart; you wrote that you are smarter than me.Dude that second sentence you make is a complete non-sequitur. You're right, Michelle doesn't like me because of my education or charity work...'achievements', since when did I say she did. I told you the reasons she likes me, simple. That's not a pissing contest. Christ. I dropped out of college at 17, to my eternal shame, because I refused to be given a B in latin; which horrified and disappointed all of my teachers. (In my defence, I always refused to learn english for a latin exam, and the entire exam was pre-translated [into english] poetry which we had to know volumes of and answer pointless, whimsical questions about) If I wrote perspective university career then I am sorry for not putting prospective, I am tired. That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction. I forgot the name of the construction but it's valid. I'm certain. Basically, it intimates that the second part of the sentence is to be read by substituting 'out of possession of' in before 'is'. Ie: You are AS out of possession of a good sense of humour AS boxer is out of possession of a weakness. Believe me, you couldn't view me more wrongly if you think I am the sort of person who clings to textbooks. Correct grammar does not equal good writing. "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" - Cicero | ||
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Chef
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"If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter" - Cicero I think that's more appropriate as a response to anything Nightmarjoo writes. | ||
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HamerD
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Look, I'm pretty sure that the US presence in Japan isn't entirely forced by the U.N. Is it, seriously? I have no idea, really. Unfortunately, I am definitely more of a theorist than a statistician. I don't go after facts and they don't seem particularly fond of sticking to me either. Regardless, I don't respect two of those on your list of three. North Korea and China would not invade Japan just because America moved patrolling troops and garrisons away from Japan. I am certain China wouldn't. Ok they might test boundaries, but no more than the Russians test our boundaries. It really would be the super war imo. Afghanistan was not a big ally of the US, but imagine if Russia had invaded England. One country away from America too. I reckon there would be war (potentially nuclear). And, well, Indonesian pirates... I'd much rather the US were sending troops into zimbabwe than capsizing long john il's boat. Well basically the reasons for invading Iraq were totally bogus and ridiculous. The US should not have meddled in those sorts of affairs. It allows loads of tyrants to stay in power. Stop policing the world- you just put yourself in danger. The American government endangers its people with all the meddling in the middle east, and it doesn't help that the jewish lobby is allowed to skewer the American policy towards Israel to be far too partisan and inflammatory. Ron Paul always, and very rightly, states; along with George Galloway, another person whose debating and intelligence I greatly respect; all of the reasons why the Iraq war was illegitimate and destructive, so I won't go into that. Waste of taxpayer money in the end, for a completely pointless and ridiculous farce. I don't see what you're talking about, with the third to last paragraph. Cutting social security is really not the best way to talk about it. It is more like trimming it...to be more streamlined to help those who desperately need it, and to provide benefit to people who support it, when they need it. I'll admit that personally, it is a little too far to the other extremity which we have right now, massive welfare abuse. But I think it is necessary, within reason, to limit the amount at which people can abuse the kindness of other people. I think that people would be happier in general if they could either choose to buy entirely into society or just contribute their trade. Although it's a risk, I'm sure a lot of people would like to pay as little tax as possible. Now I'm not sure of Ron's policies here, but definitely job creation would need to be tackled. His policy of cracking down on borders would make a start, but I haven't read enough to see if he will be favouring start-up business and stimulating industry growth. I think that the US should be manufacturing more of the things it likes to consume. But again I'm not an economist. And anyway, you are misinterpreting my opinion of the founding fathers and their document in 1776. For the virtue of its ideologies of liberty and freedom, I praise it. And similarly, for Ron Paul's desire to weaken government and give more choice to the American people, more liberty and freedom, I praise him. | ||
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HamerD
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You were a complete cunt for being so rude, but still, that's your choice. At least I have my baby...I guess I should be used to people making jibes about my relationships. | ||
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Jibba
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The U.N. has nothing to do with our military bases. It's largely impotent and wasteful. China and North Korea would push and prod Japan and S. Korea if we were not there. North Korea already started with missile testing over the islands, but they've quieted down. Taiwan is another excellent example. Basically, none of the Asian Tigers would exist without our presence in southeast Asia. I agree, policing the world (especially for Israel) puts us in danger, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. The real issue is that we don't police the world. We're a mob boss for the world, but we don't serve equally and we rarely do it without our own interests at the forefront. And that's only natural, but it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. I think that people would be happier in general if they could either choose to buy entirely into society or just contribute their trade. Well, right now the happiest people in the world pay boatloads of taxes. Unfortunately England and America rank very far behind. | ||
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On July 04 2008 09:14 HamerD wrote: Don't mind.You were a complete cunt for being so rude, but still, that's your choice. At least I have my baby...I guess I should be used to people making jibes about my relationships. Woah now. I haven't said anything mean about Michelle. I've only said mean things about you! | ||
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Paul wishes to weaken the government, but I can guarantee you when that happens the American people will be second in line for that freedom, behind corporations. Austrian economics is about laissez faire, which means no government enforcement besides basic law enforcement. The only thing that then protects workers and consumers is the "invisible hand", which takes a damn long time to react and relies on perfect information, which is a mythical creature.[/QOUTE] Wait, so the unions are abolished? [QUOTE]On July 04 2008 09:25 Jibba wrote: The U.N. has nothing to do with our military bases. It's largely impotent and wasteful. China and North Korea would push and prod Japan and S. Korea if we were not there. North Korea already started with missile testing over the islands, but they've quieted down. Taiwan is another excellent example. Basically, none of the Asian Tigers would exist without our presence in southeast Asia.[/QUOTE] Well so now you have backed out of your point about it being important to be in the U.N., if that ever was one of your points. [QUOTE]On July 04 2008 09:25 Jibba wrote: I agree, policing the world (especially for Israel) puts us in danger, but that doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. The real issue is that we don't police the world. We're a mob boss for the world, but we don't serve equally and we rarely do it without our own interests at the forefront. And that's only natural, but it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. [/QUOTE] I don't see how you can apply morality so flippantly in this case. Why should the USA police the world? Why does the USA have the fair vantage point? It's not about being some knight in shining armour. Topple a dictator and you just leave room for another. Stalin found it easy to come to power because of the previous rulers establishing the status quo for the people. The best way the US can affect other countries is by being the best damn country there is. Just like Russia was weakened by the glamour of the US capturing the hearts of Russian folk. Sending troops into every part of the world to sort out all of the moral outrages would, in all honesty, be impossible. The US could just about cope with Iran in a full scale war. Trying to cope with guerrillas in chechnya, palestine, sierra lione, as well as topple people like mugabe and kim jong il would leave the whole of the US drained and in staggering debt. It would be basically bringing MORE instability to unstable nations whilst destabilising itself. Technically, for a US president, jibba, interfering so much in foreign countries IS the wrong thing to do (again my opinion). Because the second the quality of life of his own countrymen are hampered by his essentially needless actions abroad, he is failing to strengthen and improve the land of the free and the hope of the brave. [quote] Well, right now the happiest people in the world pay boatloads of taxes. Unfortunately England and America rank very far behind.[/quote] not sure who you are talking about here...I read that the depression rate of Norway is very high. Which country are you referring to. Now anyway, one of the important things I think really outlines Ron Paul as better than the others is his constant stream of essays regarding his policies. They are all succinct and devoid of stupid oratorical devices. I really can't watch 1 obama speech without getting pissed off at his oratorical devices. It's so bloody textbook. And I can't watch a McCain speech without thinking 'this guy wants to take over the world :S'. You know, I think I judge Ron Paul's character as the most honest, fair and wise out of the former and current candidates. You know my OP was really just a remark of frustration. I don't think it makes much sense or is interesting to talk about. What gets me is how people disrespect Ron Paul's debating and speech making. People seem to be unable to give someone time to discover whether they are good or not. It's either loud shouting like bill o'reilly, or tricolon crescendos like barrack obama. No one in America seems to respect a quiet, intelligent, thoughtful, perceptive, strong-willed thinker like Paul. That's what vexed me...to see all the Ron Paul hate directed more at his person than his policies. Ironic that I'm taking this stance but in all honesty this is really what I meant from the start, I was just arguing for the sake of it. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
The U.N./NATO point is wholly separate from Japan. The point of those is that Ron Paul wishes to pull out of both organizations. The rest of the world would not be happy if we did so. You intervene during crisis and maintain fair developmental policies the rest of the time. Intervening in Iraq was not a good idea, but doing so in Darfur would be acceptable. Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, etc. I'm not sure what Obama speeches you've watched. I recommend the ones from before the presidential race started. Most Ron Paul hate is directed towards his followers. Rightly so, IMO. | ||
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
In all honesty, Jibba, you assumed I knew more than I did ¬¬. I can't argue politics to save my life. Too much fucking peripheral reading. Now existentialism or mind brain duality, im sorted. tihs case am colsed | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
It always boggles my mind how people can say he's not a good candidate. He's the only intelligent candidate who's not constantly pandering and changing his views according to the latest polling. And yes his views are that we need a major restructuring, and I wholeheartedly agree with all of his notions, save maybe his strict isolationism. But honestly, considering the checks and balances, and the other candidates, I'd really prefer to see him as head of the executive branch. But people love the status quo. Long live the two-party system!! =[ | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32047 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.greatestcities.com/8383pic/377/CP25377.jpg/AmericanFlag.jpeg) | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32047 Posts
HOLY FUCK You and your hooker, together, are about as intelligent as week old dog shit. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13004 Posts
You sound incredibly insecure HamerD. | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
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micronesia
United States24656 Posts
On July 05 2008 01:17 Hawk wrote: You and your hooker, together, are about as intelligent as week old dog shit. What happens to the intelligence of dog shit as time passes? Could we fit it to some elementary mathematical function? If so, I'll make a graph. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32047 Posts
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micronesia
United States24656 Posts
On July 05 2008 01:39 Hawk wrote: I would be quite impressed with a graph! ![[image loading]](http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/8151/iqofdogshitbg1.jpg) | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32047 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32047 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.artinthepicture.com/artists/Gilbert_Stuart/george_washington.jpeg) I can hear you redcoats shaking in your boots now | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
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UnitarySpace
United States61 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
Hamerd was in a good mood and offered tons of enjoyment | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
On July 04 2008 10:46 HamerD wrote: Ok. I went and did some research and it turns out that um...I pretty much disagree with my previous statement. I really should research this sort of shit before I get involved. In all honesty, Jibba, you assumed I knew more than I did ¬¬. I can't argue politics to save my life. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On July 04 2008 17:32 zulu_nation8 wrote: PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE PURGE | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 01:16 Hawk wrote: Why the fuck is a Brit making a US politics thread on INDEPENDENCE DAY? You lost the war, you have no right to talk about shitty politicians and your supposed intelligence (lol) It was written on the third...congrats on your amazing observation skills. ASTROLOGY LOL HOLY FUCK You and your hooker, together, are about as intelligent as week old dog shit. ...Astrology shouldn't be a part of the thread...regardless, whats wrong with knowing some things about it? HamerD doesn't read a horoscope everyday people nor does he live his life following it >< You probably know at least something related to demonology...but that doesn't mean you're an occultist right. respect the woman hawk lol Thanks holylight + Show Spoiler +you owe me cake for this party that was apparently a hit Please don't talk about numerology as if it had anything to do with real math. Please. lol...numerology isn't a part of math at all...but it INVOLVES mathematical equations. Lets compare it to buying a shirt...you dont sit there thinking "This shirt is clearly math"...but you do involve math when you buy the shirt. Good job with the effort though. this thread is fucking hilarious oh so you're enjoying the party too :D Try the cheese dip before you leave. btw headbangaa I expected you to comment way earlier in the thread | ||
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yubee
United States3826 Posts
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15325 Posts
![[image loading]](http://zatic.net/duty_calls.png) Source: http://xkcd.com/386/ | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Why the fuck is a Brit making a US politics thread on INDEPENDENCE DAY? You lost the war, you have no right to talk about shitty politicians and your supposed intelligence (lol) It wasn't until I read that that I realised Mischy is from the USA... OH LORD :D | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 06:21 PsycHOTemplar wrote: It wasn't until I read that that I realised Mischy is from the USA... OH LORD :D yeah does it really matter? | ||
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micronesia
United States24656 Posts
Hahaha I'd never seen that before. I think some people need to paste that next to their monitor instead of things like notes with "macro" and "multitask" written. I could do with that sometimes as well. | ||
thedeadhaji
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
lol at least draw me some boobs :'( | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 07:00 DeadVessel wrote: dude you are so obviously a dude. it's like painfully obvious. dude I have a webcam dude obviously dude....for seriousness. | ||
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nimysa
United States383 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On July 05 2008 07:01 Mischy wrote: dude I have a webcam dude obviously dude....for seriousness. dude no one gives a fuck both of you need to stop posting | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 07:04 fusionsdf wrote: dude no one gives a fuck both of you need to stop posting Why? Whats wrong with stating an opinion? I dont see why HamerD is being bashed for stating his opinion in his own blog. He didn't get any explainations or anything insightful except from Jibba, who I, personally, never had a problem with. I really dont care if you think i'm a guy...but why even make such a statement? :S What makes it impossible for me to be a girl? :S | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6768 Posts
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Xeofreestyler
Belgium6768 Posts
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micronesia
United States24656 Posts
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 07:14 Xeofreestyler wrote: If someone is being bashed for his opinion it usually means his opinion is based on wrong ideas and he presents it like a total ass. Well yeah he has a temper I know all about it...still you guys have read his posts before. Hes not an awful poster and contributes quite a lot...but I mean, I dont see what I did wrong or what I said that was completely unnacceptable. + Show Spoiler + Micronesia you're right hehe | ||
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Holylight
Korea (South)460 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
yeah does it really matter? Don't even pretend that's a serious question. | ||
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micronesia
United States24656 Posts
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KwarK
United States42486 Posts
The guy had a long argument with me about whether classical Greece was a unified peaceful confederation. I mean wtf. His history is obviously based upon the film 300 but he refused to believe that he might somehow be wrong on a subject where he clearly hadn't read a single book. You'll find as many historians arguing that classical Greece was a peaceful place as refuations that bears shit in the woods. | ||
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nimysa
United States383 Posts
On July 05 2008 09:00 Kwark wrote: HamerD is far stupider than he thinks and utterly uneducated. The guy had a long argument with me about whether classical Greece was a unified peaceful confederation. I mean wtf. His history is obviously based upon the film 300 but he refused to believe that he might somehow be wrong on a subject where he clearly hadn't read a single book. You'll find as many historians arguing that classical Greece was a peaceful place as refuations that bears shit in the woods. This is about Ron Paul, not Greece. The two subjects are mutually exclusive  | ||
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KwarK
United States42486 Posts
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AmorVincitOmnia
Kenya3846 Posts
blah blah blah it's my opinion that cheese would make for good rocket fuel. | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 09:19 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: yeah he's said quite a few times that he's playing the opinion card. blah blah blah it's my opinion that cheese would make for good rocket fuel. Well actually it seems like he was being pretty nice to me (except for not respecting 'Kwark' and 'holylight'...I think Kwark is a good poster for what its worth. I like most of his posts even if I might not agree with something he states). He really didn't get defensive until frits said hes an idiot and cant possibly have that IQ So meh...its not like he said hes correct and doesn't want to hear anyone elses thoughts. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
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KwarK
United States42486 Posts
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 09:31 Kwark wrote: People with uninformed opinions should act with deference to those with informed opinions. That's how they'll inform themselves. Acting the way he does merits nothing more than mockery. That anyone is bothering to refute him is charitable. Seemed like he had a fine discussion with jibba (after the sections that involved me) :S Hes not full of rage and hate. He listened and asked questions etc just like you should in any sort of discussion...he also read up more and changed his opinion after the discussion :S He's definitely not at fault. He just doesn't respond well to rude posts. He clearly stated that he didn't agree with his original opinion after learning more. I dont see why he deserved to be mocked. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 10:08 PsycHOTemplar wrote: You certainly could never ever hold any bias in a million years at all seeing as it defies logic that you would ever be nonobjective as it is completely unlikely and beyond imagination to think that you might be at all. It's really not a big deal Ptemplar. Of course i'm going to defend HamerD...but if I dont agree with him about something then i'll say I dont agree. Anyway its just a blog on some forum Everyones free to hate away if they absolutely must...Was just wondering why he actually deserved all the negativity because I dont see a reason for it...but tbh I dont care enough about these posts for an answer. Want some cake? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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UnitarySpace
United States61 Posts
as long as that's clear we're cool. ive had too many arguments about this. edit: i was literally saying please. wasn't trying to argue at all. trying to avoid argument actually. | ||
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 11:07 UnitarySpace wrote: "lol...numerology isn't a part of math at all...but it INVOLVES mathematical equations" as long as that's clear we're cool. ive had too many arguments about this. Yeah no I totally agree with you on that...We're as cold as ice and Jibba Iron Man looks good but I haven't seen it so I cant participate My hearts broken :'( | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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Mischy
United States179 Posts
On July 05 2008 11:24 Jibba wrote: Tony Stark is so arrogant I might have sex with him. lol...will this story also include a 14" diamond encrusted codpiece? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32047 Posts
On July 05 2008 07:17 micronesia wrote: It's my opinion that manifesto is a girly newbie who doesn't know how to help run a website. *GASP* You do know it's the GREAT PURGE, right!?!?! | ||
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