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easy trigonometric problem

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thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-26 01:54:51
May 25 2008 17:52 GMT
#1
--PROBLEM SOLVED--

using the sum and difference identity find the exact value of tan195° and tan345°? For the second one, I know the answer is -2+√3 (its in the book), but i can't derive to it, all i get is a 0

in case anyone forgot, its this identity:
[image loading]


--the following is for the second problem--
is this the right way to undergo this problem? or do i have to make tan45 into a tan(-45)? Could you show me the steps on how to work out this problem?
[image loading]


edit: made things clearer.
edit2:I thought TL would get it in like 10 min, max. Guess i underestimated the intelligence of TL.

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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
May 25 2008 18:02 GMT
#2
tan195° is tan15° which is tan(45-30)°
tan345° is tan(-15°) which is tan(30-45)°
Use the sum and addition rules to 'expand' the brackets and of course tan45° is 1 and tan30° is root(3)/3
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-25 18:38:00
May 25 2008 18:37 GMT
#3
Draw a trigonometric circle lol.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23447 Posts
May 25 2008 18:51 GMT
#4
tana - tanb
1-tanatanb

is like m1-m2
1-m1m2
same as the area between two lines. o_O
But anyways that should end up to be something like tan(a-b) i.e tan(30-45) = -tan15.
aka Teutonica
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
May 25 2008 20:12 GMT
#5
go back to the basics. proofs
Treatin' fools since '87
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
May 25 2008 23:28 GMT
#6
On May 26 2008 02:52 thoraxe wrote:
edit2:I thought TL would get it in like 10 min, max. Guess i underestimated the intelligence of TL.


Pfft, skyglow did solve it for you in ten mins, only that you didnt understand it. . But you seem to have problems with using the formula rather than not understanding the problem. So let me clarify a bit...

What skyglow told you that you have to do, and which I htink you have understood, is that you rewrite tan(195) as tan(15) = tan(45-30) and then you use the formula you provided.

Maybe your problem is that you are not clear on what the +- signs means in the formula?
you have tan(a-b). wiht a minus. That means that as the minus is the lower sign in the left hand side of the formula, you have to go on and use the lower sign in the right hand side as well. Doing that, you will get a minus in the nominator of the right hand side, and A PLUS IN THE DENOMINATOR FO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, not a minus as you have in your op.

Also, to answer your question you asked, you should use tan(45) since the minus is built in the formula in

tan(a-b) --> tan(45 - 30) --> a = +45, b = +30.

+ Show Spoiler [alternate route] +
alternatively you could use the forumla with the plus and put the minus in b:

tan(a+b) --> tan(45 + (-30)) --> a=+45, b = -30.

It will give the same result i fyou use the UPPER sign in the formula. You have to use the upper sign as you have a tan(a+b) as oposed to a tan(a-b). Just disregard this spoiler if it confuses you.


So just change the minus to a plus in the denominator of your formula, and you'll be fine. hope that helped, gl.
wanderer
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States641 Posts
May 26 2008 00:27 GMT
#7
problem solved.


since you still don't think the problem is done (i.e. you haven't edited your post saying so), here's the hard part:

[image loading]





your book went through hoops to make it look the way it did.

yw
Fuck you, I have a degree in mathematics and I speak 12 languages. (I called the World Cup final in 2008 btw)
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-26 01:54:09
May 26 2008 01:46 GMT
#8
On May 26 2008 09:27 wanderer wrote:
problem solved.


since you still don't think the problem is done (i.e. you haven't edited your post saying so), here's the hard part:

[image loading]





your book went through hoops to make it look the way it did.

yw


yay, you got it!!!(the first one that actually understood what the problem was asking for, good try everybody though).
Thank you so much, fucking tangent, its the only one that is nerve racking to me. your the best man. btw, I posted my dissapointed in order to spurr up someone's pride in TL's ability to pwn at everything so that someone would've comed to the rescue. i guess my plan did work
Obama singing "Kick Ass" Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw&feature=player_embedde
thoraxe
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1449 Posts
May 26 2008 01:49 GMT
#9
On May 26 2008 08:28 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2008 02:52 thoraxe wrote:
edit2:I thought TL would get it in like 10 min, max. Guess i underestimated the intelligence of TL.


Pfft, skyglow did solve it for you in ten mins, only that you didnt understand it. . But you seem to have problems with using the formula rather than not understanding the problem. So let me clarify a bit...

What skyglow told you that you have to do, and which I htink you have understood, is that you rewrite tan(195) as tan(15) = tan(45-30) and then you use the formula you provided.

Maybe your problem is that you are not clear on what the +- signs means in the formula?
you have tan(a-b). wiht a minus. That means that as the minus is the lower sign in the left hand side of the formula, you have to go on and use the lower sign in the right hand side as well. Doing that, you will get a minus in the nominator of the right hand side, and A PLUS IN THE DENOMINATOR FO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, not a minus as you have in your op.

Also, to answer your question you asked, you should use tan(45) since the minus is built in the formula in

tan(a-b) --> tan(45 - 30) --> a = +45, b = +30.

+ Show Spoiler [alternate route] +
alternatively you could use the forumla with the plus and put the minus in b:

tan(a+b) --> tan(45 + (-30)) --> a=+45, b = -30.

It will give the same result i fyou use the UPPER sign in the formula. You have to use the upper sign as you have a tan(a+b) as oposed to a tan(a-b). Just disregard this spoiler if it confuses you.


So just change the minus to a plus in the denominator of your formula, and you'll be fine. hope that helped, gl.


OOOOH I SEE NOW, i should've put 1+tan30tan45 on the bottom instead of putting it with a (-) sign. THANK MAN.
Obama singing "Kick Ass" Song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yghFBt-fXmw&feature=player_embedde
wanderer
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States641 Posts
May 26 2008 02:06 GMT
#10
ya
Fuck you, I have a degree in mathematics and I speak 12 languages. (I called the World Cup final in 2008 btw)
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-26 07:07:39
May 26 2008 06:59 GMT
#11

yay, you got it!!!(the first one that actually understood what the problem was asking for, good try everybody though).
Thank you so much, fucking tangent, its the only one that is nerve racking to me. your the best man. btw, I posted my dissapointed in order to spurr up someone's pride in TL's ability to pwn at everything so that someone would've comed to the rescue. i guess my plan did work


lol of course I knew what the problem was asking for, I was just hoping you were capable of doing the problem on your own after realising that 45-30 gives you 15 and 30-45 gives you -15 which was basically everything you needed to do it, but I guess you weren't even capable of that. Expecting the whole thing to be solved for you completely with all the steps is a bit too much.
wanderer
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States641 Posts
May 30 2008 09:35 GMT
#12
On May 26 2008 15:59 skyglow1 wrote:
Show nested quote +

yay, you got it!!!(the first one that actually understood what the problem was asking for, good try everybody though).
Thank you so much, fucking tangent, its the only one that is nerve racking to me. your the best man. btw, I posted my dissapointed in order to spurr up someone's pride in TL's ability to pwn at everything so that someone would've comed to the rescue. i guess my plan did work


lol of course I knew what the problem was asking for, I was just hoping you were capable of doing the problem on your own after realising that 45-30 gives you 15 and 30-45 gives you -15 which was basically everything you needed to do it, but I guess you weren't even capable of that. Expecting the whole thing to be solved for you completely with all the steps is a bit too much.

lol stfu i stole your medal fair and square, mister
Fuck you, I have a degree in mathematics and I speak 12 languages. (I called the World Cup final in 2008 btw)
sigma_x
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia285 Posts
May 30 2008 15:19 GMT
#13
The question is trivial if you know the exact form of tan15. We shall do this geometrically.

Construct a triangle of angles, 75,75,30, such that the perpendicular from one of the 75 degree angles is length 1. Keeping in mind the triangle is isosceles, we immediately yield that tan15=2-sqrt3
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
May 30 2008 16:51 GMT
#14
On May 30 2008 18:35 wanderer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2008 15:59 skyglow1 wrote:

yay, you got it!!!(the first one that actually understood what the problem was asking for, good try everybody though).
Thank you so much, fucking tangent, its the only one that is nerve racking to me. your the best man. btw, I posted my dissapointed in order to spurr up someone's pride in TL's ability to pwn at everything so that someone would've comed to the rescue. i guess my plan did work


lol of course I knew what the problem was asking for, I was just hoping you were capable of doing the problem on your own after realising that 45-30 gives you 15 and 30-45 gives you -15 which was basically everything you needed to do it, but I guess you weren't even capable of that. Expecting the whole thing to be solved for you completely with all the steps is a bit too much.

lol stfu i stole your medal fair and square, mister


yay for you -_-
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