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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:16:34
May 07 2008 00:13 GMT
#1
Remember back when Wemade Fox was still Pantech? They're only good player was Nada. He'd win one game, and then usually all the rest of their team would lose. If they were lucky though, some other guy would get lucky and win one, and then Nada would win again in the ace match. That was the ONLY way they'd win matches.

And now KTF is doing the same thing. Almost all of their wins come from Flash winning two games, and some loser like 815 winning one. They're not really a team anymore... they're just Flash + some washed up celebrities (who are admittedly still pretty sexy) + no names.

*****
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Reflex
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada703 Posts
May 07 2008 00:15 GMT
#2
DON'T.... BLASPHEME...
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
May 07 2008 00:16 GMT
#3
*looks around for LR and ducks*
Force staff is the best item in the game.
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:17:19
May 07 2008 00:16 GMT
#4
As much as I love the people in KTF, the team as a whole isn't all that impressive.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9949 Posts
May 07 2008 00:17 GMT
#5
you forgot hery!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +
shit you're right
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
May 07 2008 00:20 GMT
#6
Lucifer isn't exactly a no-name. MSL RO16, even.
Pepsicolaone
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States967 Posts
May 07 2008 00:25 GMT
#7
815 hasnt lost a game in PL so not exactly a one man team. but Flash is doing like 80% of the wins in 1v1. KTF need one more solid player then they have a chance of being a champ no doubt.
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equal.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 07 2008 00:26 GMT
#8
815 is fucking amazing, what are you talking about.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
May 07 2008 00:28 GMT
#9
come on, YellOw/Reach 2on2!

but yeah, it is flash owning, but I'm happy WeMade actually has a semi solid line up now, if they can just harnass a good 2on2 team then they got it made. Mind, NaDa, and thye have some decent snipers iirc.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 00:29 GMT
#10
815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.
Official Entusman #21
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
May 07 2008 00:30 GMT
#11
KTF needs new blood.
Moderator<:3-/-<
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
May 07 2008 00:30 GMT
#12
sAviOr sucks.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 07 2008 00:33 GMT
#13
On May 07 2008 09:17 RaGe wrote:
you forgot hery!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +
shit you're right

Haha yeah I did forget about Hery, actually. It's like, when the KTF coach needs money, he can just bet against KTF, and then send in Hery for the ace match.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 07 2008 00:35 GMT
#14
On May 07 2008 09:29 infinity21 wrote:
815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.

They're doing OK, i suppose, but they still haven't really done a whole lot. I mean, a 100% win rate is nice, but when it's only 5 games, I'm inclined to call it luck.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:41:55
May 07 2008 00:39 GMT
#15
How about 8-1 on Blue Storm with wins against players like Sea and Jaedong with only one loss to GGPlay? Is that luck? =/


and his 10-1 record since his loss to FireFist last October. Is that luck too?

I'm not a KTF fanboy or anything but to dismiss lucifer and 815 as crappy players who got lucky is a bit of a stretch.
Official Entusman #21
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 07 2008 00:39 GMT
#16
I agree,Flash tends to be pulling most of the weight..
Ra Reach and Yellow arent the most reliable of old schoolers either..
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 07 2008 00:46 GMT
#17
On May 07 2008 09:39 infinity21 wrote:
How about 8-1 on Blue Storm with wins against players like Sea and Jaedong with only one loss to GGPlay? Is that luck? =/


and his 10-1 record since his loss to FireFist last October. Is that luck too?

I'm not a KTF fanboy or anything but to dismiss lucifer and 815 as crappy players who got lucky is a bit of a stretch.

OK I admit I'm exaggerating a bit.

Still, if Flash were to break his wrist today, KTF would plummit to the bottom of the rankings.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:50:42
May 07 2008 00:48 GMT
#18
Ace will always be there to prevent that. (lol)

And KTF has the strongest farm system out of all 11 proteams. Your assertions are utterly ridiculous.

Even without Flash, they have 815, Lucifer, Violet, Tempest, Haran.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:49:53
May 07 2008 00:48 GMT
#19
Flash/Lucifer/815 is a respectable lineup. I don't see how it's any gimpier than fielding Anytime/Jaedong/ForGG every time.

Now if only Nal_rA would stop sucking ...

Also they have THIRTY new players to choose from - that's got to be enough new blood for anyone or anything.

Tempest)Is(, Violet[Name], Stats, By.SaiR, By.RaiD, By.Barracks - they've all got good potential.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
May 07 2008 00:48 GMT
#20
On May 07 2008 09:30 jkillashark wrote:
sAviOr sucks.

How is this at all related?
Force staff is the best item in the game.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 00:49 GMT
#21
I don't deny that Flash is pulling his team. The only difference between Nada with Pantech and Flash with KTF is that KTF has some decent players to count on for their 2nd win. Hence their good record so far.
Official Entusman #21
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 07 2008 00:55 GMT
#22
On May 07 2008 09:48 Last Romantic wrote:
Now if only Nal_rA would stop sucking ...

The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 07 2008 00:55 GMT
#23
Honestly though there are so many retarded uninformed posts like these in the broodwar and tournament section, I can't blame more and more people to start posting the same kind of dumb shit. I seriously need to abandon progaming arguments, because I could spend all day shooting down these shitty claims and never come close to finishing the task.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 00:56 GMT
#24
nono haji keep arguing. I want to see you reach the golden 100k post
20hr/day on TL + live reporting should get you there in a few years.
Official Entusman #21
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 07 2008 00:57 GMT
#25
I'd just set up a bot and spam some old liquibet threads tbh.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 01:02 GMT
#26
gogogogogo
Official Entusman #21
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
May 07 2008 01:15 GMT
#27
On May 07 2008 09:35 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 09:29 infinity21 wrote:
815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.

They're doing OK, i suppose, but they still haven't really done a whole lot. I mean, a 100% win rate is nice, but when it's only 5 games, I'm inclined to call it luck.


Have you watched all 5 of his games? Please tell me how you think he's lucky
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 01:16:59
May 07 2008 01:16 GMT
#28
what do you mean with they need fresh blood? 815 , lucifer, haran are rather new and even flash can't be called oldschool.
That Team had a big change after all their oldschool players started sucking, but they got some talents and are back again.
Of course flash does most of the work, but that isn't unusual at all. If you got one outstanding player you will of course make use of that. Oov brought many many wins to skt1, nada to pantech, savior to cj and so on.

Their lineup isn't as deep as cj's yet, but they got some pretty good players to support flash and 815.

The oldschoolers can still be used in 2on2 and are doing a decent job there.

Lucifer on a 5 game winning streak against respectable opponents.

Haran lost both of his games this season but you have to look at the opponents:
Midas (who is doing very well this season) and Jaedong. I am sure Haran will get some wins against other opponents.

Hery is no star player but he can get some wins.

I think they can go very far with those players. Even win the proleague, by using Flash,815,lucifer,haran,yellow/oops,reach/zergboy in the playoffs. Maybe other 2on2 combinations, they are changing every time.
aka DTF-ZeRo
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
May 07 2008 01:17 GMT
#29
Now that I think about it I wanna see some Nal_rA (R) action on 2v2's, he can use Yellow as his part =P
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 07 2008 02:05 GMT
#30
On May 07 2008 09:57 thedeadhaji wrote:
I'd just set up a bot and spam some old liquibet threads tbh.


Go for more 2ch thread translations

But yeah...KTF is really no worse than Lecaf if we wanted to consider the amount of times AT/ForGG/JD got played last season. So really a matter of time before players like 815 get more major league exposure and people will start saying that this is a "smart" strategy.

Honestly, it would be nice if Haji really did start all-killing those threads. I'd pay to watch
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 07 2008 02:34 GMT
#31
On May 07 2008 09:55 thedeadhaji wrote:
Honestly though there are so many retarded uninformed posts like these in the broodwar and tournament section, I can't blame more and more people to start posting the same kind of dumb shit. I seriously need to abandon progaming arguments, because I could spend all day shooting down these shitty claims and never come close to finishing the task.

? From what I can tell, your argument was accepted by everyone and the op basically said he was exaggerating / venting.

Although I'm certainly ignorant, there a plenty of people on TL like yourself who take the time to help absolve me of my ignorance.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
May 07 2008 03:12 GMT
#32
The only player I like on KTF is by.raid from his replays.

Has Jaedong/july-esque ZvT so beautiful, only a few Zerg carry that gift.

Other than that, I dislike KTF..too many gay protoss/zerg for my liking.
Flash is an incredible player of course, but I'm really indifferent about him, he's so perfect its boring.
:D
intotherainx
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States504 Posts
May 07 2008 03:23 GMT
#33
Lecaf OZ won proleague with only 2 1/2 good players on the team last season.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
May 07 2008 08:24 GMT
#34
Tempest is 2nd win for sure !
https://www.twitch.tv/MasterReY/ ~ Biggest Reach fan on TL.net (Don't even dare to mention LR now) ~ R.I.P Violet ~ Developer of SCRChart
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Play
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia608 Posts
May 07 2008 09:59 GMT
#35
their line-up is similar to alot of other teams...and they are doing really well.

But unlike other teams like samsung, lecaf, WeMade etc, Flash is their only super power, so how can you expect the coach to not play him :/
jmascis
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
May 07 2008 12:10 GMT
#36
Why the fuck are u criticizing KTF for having good players like Flash and 815 to win their games?

Also what do u think of Lecaf winning their games last season mainly because of Jaedong and Anytime?

If you look at the minor league, KTF has second place in that which shows future potential with new strong players for KTF.

And theres nothing wrong with respecting old time greats such as Yellow, Reach, and Ra and cheering for their team.
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