Remember back when Wemade Fox was still Pantech? They're only good player was Nada. He'd win one game, and then usually all the rest of their team would lose. If they were lucky though, some other guy would get lucky and win one, and then Nada would win again in the ace match. That was the ONLY way they'd win matches.

And now KTF is doing the same thing. Almost all of their wins come from Flash winning two games, and some loser like 815 winning one. They're not really a team anymore... they're just Flash + some washed up celebrities (who are admittedly still pretty sexy) + no names.

Reflex

Canada703 Posts

May 07 2008 00:15 GMT

DON'T.... BLASPHEME...

CDRdude

United States5625 Posts

May 07 2008 00:16 GMT

*looks around for LR and ducks*

soudo

603 Posts

May 07 2008 00:16 GMT

As much as I love the people in KTF, the team as a whole isn't all that impressive.

RaGe

Belgium9947 Posts

May 07 2008 00:17 GMT

you forgot hery!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +

shit you're right

fOrQQ

Hong Kong321 Posts

May 07 2008 00:20 GMT

Lucifer isn't exactly a no-name. MSL RO16, even.

Pepsicolaone

United States967 Posts

May 07 2008 00:25 GMT

815 hasnt lost a game in PL so not exactly a one man team. but Flash is doing like 80% of the wins in 1v1. KTF need one more solid player then they have a chance of being a champ no doubt.

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

May 07 2008 00:26 GMT

815 is fucking amazing, what are you talking about.

MoNKeYSpanKeR

United States2869 Posts

May 07 2008 00:28 GMT

come on, YellOw/Reach 2on2!

but yeah, it is flash owning, but I'm happy WeMade actually has a semi solid line up now, if they can just harnass a good 2on2 team then they got it made. Mind, NaDa, and thye have some decent snipers iirc.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

May 07 2008 00:29 GMT

#10

815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.

IntoTheWow

is awesome32274 Posts

May 07 2008 00:30 GMT

#11

KTF needs new blood.

jkillashark

United States5262 Posts

May 07 2008 00:30 GMT

#12

sAviOr sucks.

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

May 07 2008 00:33 GMT

#13

On May 07 2008 09:17 RaGe wrote:
you forgot hery!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +

shit you're right

Haha yeah I did forget about Hery, actually. It's like, when the KTF coach needs money, he can just bet against KTF, and then send in Hery for the ace match.

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

May 07 2008 00:35 GMT

#14

On May 07 2008 09:29 infinity21 wrote:
815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.

They're doing OK, i suppose, but they still haven't really done a whole lot. I mean, a 100% win rate is nice, but when it's only 5 games, I'm inclined to call it luck.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

May 07 2008 00:39 GMT

#15

How about 8-1 on Blue Storm with wins against players like Sea and Jaedong with only one loss to GGPlay? Is that luck? =/

and his 10-1 record since his loss to FireFist last October. Is that luck too?

I'm not a KTF fanboy or anything but to dismiss lucifer and 815 as crappy players who got lucky is a bit of a stretch.

arb

Noobville17921 Posts

May 07 2008 00:39 GMT

#16

I agree,Flash tends to be pulling most of the weight..
Ra Reach and Yellow arent the most reliable of old schoolers either..

Luddite

United States2315 Posts

May 07 2008 00:46 GMT

#17

On May 07 2008 09:39 infinity21 wrote:
How about 8-1 on Blue Storm with wins against players like Sea and Jaedong with only one loss to GGPlay? Is that luck? =/

and his 10-1 record since his loss to FireFist last October. Is that luck too?

I'm not a KTF fanboy or anything but to dismiss lucifer and 815 as crappy players who got lucky is a bit of a stretch.

OK I admit I'm exaggerating a bit.

Still, if Flash were to break his wrist today, KTF would plummit to the bottom of the rankings.

thedeadhaji

39489 Posts

May 07 2008 00:48 GMT

#18

Ace will always be there to prevent that. (lol)

And KTF has the strongest farm system out of all 11 proteams. Your assertions are utterly ridiculous.

Even without Flash, they have 815, Lucifer, Violet, Tempest, Haran.

Last Romantic

United States20661 Posts

May 07 2008 00:48 GMT

#19

Flash/Lucifer/815 is a respectable lineup. I don't see how it's any gimpier than fielding Anytime/Jaedong/ForGG every time.

Now if only Nal_rA would stop sucking ...

Also they have THIRTY new players to choose from - that's got to be enough new blood for anyone or anything.

Tempest)Is(, Violet[Name], Stats, By.SaiR, By.RaiD, By.Barracks - they've all got good potential.