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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:16:34
May 07 2008 00:13 GMT
#1
Remember back when Wemade Fox was still Pantech? They're only good player was Nada. He'd win one game, and then usually all the rest of their team would lose. If they were lucky though, some other guy would get lucky and win one, and then Nada would win again in the ace match. That was the ONLY way they'd win matches.

And now KTF is doing the same thing. Almost all of their wins come from Flash winning two games, and some loser like 815 winning one. They're not really a team anymore... they're just Flash + some washed up celebrities (who are admittedly still pretty sexy) + no names.

*****
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Reflex
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada703 Posts
May 07 2008 00:15 GMT
#2
DON'T.... BLASPHEME...
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
May 07 2008 00:16 GMT
#3
*looks around for LR and ducks*
Force staff is the best item in the game.
soudo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
603 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:17:19
May 07 2008 00:16 GMT
#4
As much as I love the people in KTF, the team as a whole isn't all that impressive.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
May 07 2008 00:17 GMT
#5
you forgot hery!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +
shit you're right
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
fOrQQ
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Hong Kong321 Posts
May 07 2008 00:20 GMT
#6
Lucifer isn't exactly a no-name. MSL RO16, even.
Pepsicolaone
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States967 Posts
May 07 2008 00:25 GMT
#7
815 hasnt lost a game in PL so not exactly a one man team. but Flash is doing like 80% of the wins in 1v1. KTF need one more solid player then they have a chance of being a champ no doubt.
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equal.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 07 2008 00:26 GMT
#8
815 is fucking amazing, what are you talking about.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
May 07 2008 00:28 GMT
#9
come on, YellOw/Reach 2on2!

but yeah, it is flash owning, but I'm happy WeMade actually has a semi solid line up now, if they can just harnass a good 2on2 team then they got it made. Mind, NaDa, and thye have some decent snipers iirc.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 00:29 GMT
#10
815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.
Official Entusman #21
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
May 07 2008 00:30 GMT
#11
KTF needs new blood.
Moderator<:3-/-<
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
May 07 2008 00:30 GMT
#12
sAviOr sucks.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 07 2008 00:33 GMT
#13
On May 07 2008 09:17 RaGe wrote:
you forgot hery!!!!
+ Show Spoiler +
shit you're right

Haha yeah I did forget about Hery, actually. It's like, when the KTF coach needs money, he can just bet against KTF, and then send in Hery for the ace match.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 07 2008 00:35 GMT
#14
On May 07 2008 09:29 infinity21 wrote:
815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.

They're doing OK, i suppose, but they still haven't really done a whole lot. I mean, a 100% win rate is nice, but when it's only 5 games, I'm inclined to call it luck.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:41:55
May 07 2008 00:39 GMT
#15
How about 8-1 on Blue Storm with wins against players like Sea and Jaedong with only one loss to GGPlay? Is that luck? =/


and his 10-1 record since his loss to FireFist last October. Is that luck too?

I'm not a KTF fanboy or anything but to dismiss lucifer and 815 as crappy players who got lucky is a bit of a stretch.
Official Entusman #21
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
May 07 2008 00:39 GMT
#16
I agree,Flash tends to be pulling most of the weight..
Ra Reach and Yellow arent the most reliable of old schoolers either..
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 07 2008 00:46 GMT
#17
On May 07 2008 09:39 infinity21 wrote:
How about 8-1 on Blue Storm with wins against players like Sea and Jaedong with only one loss to GGPlay? Is that luck? =/


and his 10-1 record since his loss to FireFist last October. Is that luck too?

I'm not a KTF fanboy or anything but to dismiss lucifer and 815 as crappy players who got lucky is a bit of a stretch.

OK I admit I'm exaggerating a bit.

Still, if Flash were to break his wrist today, KTF would plummit to the bottom of the rankings.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:50:42
May 07 2008 00:48 GMT
#18
Ace will always be there to prevent that. (lol)

And KTF has the strongest farm system out of all 11 proteams. Your assertions are utterly ridiculous.

Even without Flash, they have 815, Lucifer, Violet, Tempest, Haran.
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 00:49:53
May 07 2008 00:48 GMT
#19
Flash/Lucifer/815 is a respectable lineup. I don't see how it's any gimpier than fielding Anytime/Jaedong/ForGG every time.

Now if only Nal_rA would stop sucking ...

Also they have THIRTY new players to choose from - that's got to be enough new blood for anyone or anything.

Tempest)Is(, Violet[Name], Stats, By.SaiR, By.RaiD, By.Barracks - they've all got good potential.
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
May 07 2008 00:48 GMT
#20
On May 07 2008 09:30 jkillashark wrote:
sAviOr sucks.

How is this at all related?
Force staff is the best item in the game.
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