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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 00:49 GMT
#21
I don't deny that Flash is pulling his team. The only difference between Nada with Pantech and Flash with KTF is that KTF has some decent players to count on for their 2nd win. Hence their good record so far.
Official Entusman #21
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 07 2008 00:55 GMT
#22
On May 07 2008 09:48 Last Romantic wrote:
Now if only Nal_rA would stop sucking ...

The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 07 2008 00:55 GMT
#23
Honestly though there are so many retarded uninformed posts like these in the broodwar and tournament section, I can't blame more and more people to start posting the same kind of dumb shit. I seriously need to abandon progaming arguments, because I could spend all day shooting down these shitty claims and never come close to finishing the task.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 00:56 GMT
#24
nono haji keep arguing. I want to see you reach the golden 100k post
20hr/day on TL + live reporting should get you there in a few years.
Official Entusman #21
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 07 2008 00:57 GMT
#25
I'd just set up a bot and spam some old liquibet threads tbh.
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
May 07 2008 01:02 GMT
#26
gogogogogo
Official Entusman #21
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
May 07 2008 01:15 GMT
#27
On May 07 2008 09:35 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2008 09:29 infinity21 wrote:
815 is one solid player. I don't know wtf you're talking about. Look at his stats: 5-0 vs T and 75% overall win rate. I don't know how you can call him a loser -__-

Lucifer is a pretty good player too. 7-4 vs T and 9-6 overall record. That's nothing to laugh at.

They're doing OK, i suppose, but they still haven't really done a whole lot. I mean, a 100% win rate is nice, but when it's only 5 games, I'm inclined to call it luck.


Have you watched all 5 of his games? Please tell me how you think he's lucky
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-07 01:16:59
May 07 2008 01:16 GMT
#28
what do you mean with they need fresh blood? 815 , lucifer, haran are rather new and even flash can't be called oldschool.
That Team had a big change after all their oldschool players started sucking, but they got some talents and are back again.
Of course flash does most of the work, but that isn't unusual at all. If you got one outstanding player you will of course make use of that. Oov brought many many wins to skt1, nada to pantech, savior to cj and so on.

Their lineup isn't as deep as cj's yet, but they got some pretty good players to support flash and 815.

The oldschoolers can still be used in 2on2 and are doing a decent job there.

Lucifer on a 5 game winning streak against respectable opponents.

Haran lost both of his games this season but you have to look at the opponents:
Midas (who is doing very well this season) and Jaedong. I am sure Haran will get some wins against other opponents.

Hery is no star player but he can get some wins.

I think they can go very far with those players. Even win the proleague, by using Flash,815,lucifer,haran,yellow/oops,reach/zergboy in the playoffs. Maybe other 2on2 combinations, they are changing every time.
aka DTF-ZeRo
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
May 07 2008 01:17 GMT
#29
Now that I think about it I wanna see some Nal_rA (R) action on 2v2's, he can use Yellow as his part =P
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
May 07 2008 02:05 GMT
#30
On May 07 2008 09:57 thedeadhaji wrote:
I'd just set up a bot and spam some old liquibet threads tbh.


Go for more 2ch thread translations

But yeah...KTF is really no worse than Lecaf if we wanted to consider the amount of times AT/ForGG/JD got played last season. So really a matter of time before players like 815 get more major league exposure and people will start saying that this is a "smart" strategy.

Honestly, it would be nice if Haji really did start all-killing those threads. I'd pay to watch
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
May 07 2008 02:34 GMT
#31
On May 07 2008 09:55 thedeadhaji wrote:
Honestly though there are so many retarded uninformed posts like these in the broodwar and tournament section, I can't blame more and more people to start posting the same kind of dumb shit. I seriously need to abandon progaming arguments, because I could spend all day shooting down these shitty claims and never come close to finishing the task.

? From what I can tell, your argument was accepted by everyone and the op basically said he was exaggerating / venting.

Although I'm certainly ignorant, there a plenty of people on TL like yourself who take the time to help absolve me of my ignorance.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
May 07 2008 03:12 GMT
#32
The only player I like on KTF is by.raid from his replays.

Has Jaedong/july-esque ZvT so beautiful, only a few Zerg carry that gift.

Other than that, I dislike KTF..too many gay protoss/zerg for my liking.
Flash is an incredible player of course, but I'm really indifferent about him, he's so perfect its boring.
:D
intotherainx
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States504 Posts
May 07 2008 03:23 GMT
#33
Lecaf OZ won proleague with only 2 1/2 good players on the team last season.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
May 07 2008 08:24 GMT
#34
Tempest is 2nd win for sure !
https://www.twitch.tv/MasterReY/ ~ Biggest Reach fan on TL.net (Don't even dare to mention LR now) ~ R.I.P Violet ~ Developer of SCRChart
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Play
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia608 Posts
May 07 2008 09:59 GMT
#35
their line-up is similar to alot of other teams...and they are doing really well.

But unlike other teams like samsung, lecaf, WeMade etc, Flash is their only super power, so how can you expect the coach to not play him :/
jmascis
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
May 07 2008 12:10 GMT
#36
Why the fuck are u criticizing KTF for having good players like Flash and 815 to win their games?

Also what do u think of Lecaf winning their games last season mainly because of Jaedong and Anytime?

If you look at the minor league, KTF has second place in that which shows future potential with new strong players for KTF.

And theres nothing wrong with respecting old time greats such as Yellow, Reach, and Ra and cheering for their team.
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