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I'm tvz handicapped

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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 15 2008 10:30 GMT
#1
I've been playing T for as long as I've been playing Z though my tvz is a lot worse than my zerg for whatever reasons. I think I just wasn't born to play terran. Can't multitask a lot of stuff, can't micro, etc. Once in awhile I steal a win by doing clever/lame rushes or timing builds but if the game lasts longer than 15 min I lose 100% unless the zerg is a lot worse than me. I used to go 2 fact, dropship after 1st vessel, come out with 6 tanks and drop at the same time. Though since everyone plays the 2ebay korean style now I've forced myself to switch awkwardly and just can't manage everything at once vs a good zerg. I'm thinking of switching back to 2 fact style to see what happens. Fuck I just lost again, I went from 170apm tvz to 220 since I've been in China yet I think I've improved nothing. Fuck

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stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 10:37:08
April 15 2008 10:35 GMT
#2
Try replanning your strats and counters. See what works and what doesn't.

Is the 2 fac build an alteration to the flash build? Or similar?
hoorah
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
April 15 2008 10:41 GMT
#3
Check your timing? I could imagine that you're a bit off, which can turn a game in TvZ.
Adams Æbler
gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-15 10:49:58
April 15 2008 10:47 GMT
#4
you should post your tvz reps.

lately i've been practicing sk terran. it really improves your control and speed. even if u lose you're getting better.
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
April 15 2008 10:53 GMT
#5
lately i've been practicing sk terran. it really improves your control and speed. even if u lose you're getting better.


How are you doing with it? I used to do it, but eventually stopped, because I wouldn't have the APM to pull it off well. Mind to send me some of your replays?
Adams Æbler
ggplay..
Profile Joined April 2008
United States33 Posts
April 15 2008 13:59 GMT
#6
start playing pvz
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parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1091 Posts
April 15 2008 14:07 GMT
#7
post some replays^^
mostly harmless
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
April 15 2008 14:38 GMT
#8
You are bad.
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yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
April 15 2008 17:12 GMT
#9
pot kettle black chill
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
April 15 2008 17:47 GMT
#10
On April 15 2008 19:35 stanley_ wrote:
Try replanning your strats and counters. See what works and what doesn't.

Is the 2 fac build an alteration to the flash build? Or similar?


lol wtf flash build what're u talking about this is tvz not tvp! 2 fac is when u get a shit load of tanks with 2 factories and not so many vessels cuz u dont have the gas to afford it ~_~
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
April 15 2008 20:26 GMT
#11
Welcome to the club, I feel your pain.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 15 2008 21:46 GMT
#12
go 7 rax FBH style problem solved
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
April 15 2008 22:28 GMT
#13
i like tvz far more then i like tvp and tvt, its a amazing matchup and i always fell like im running around doing stuff, the micro that can happen in a tvz is awesome, i just love it so much, even though im a B- B player in general i like to think my tvz is a little higher than that, if you want i might be able to help you some
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
April 15 2008 23:12 GMT
#14
go 7 rax FBH style problem solved


Jep, if you're FBH or any other random Korean 300 APM gosu, then you needn't worry at all..

quote]if you want i might be able to help you some[/quote]

Why don't you post some of your replays, I'd really appreciate it.

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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 03:42:18
April 16 2008 03:37 GMT
#15
Im the same as you. I used to go 2 fact tank and try to roll over the zerg before their defiler tech kicks in but all these zergs going fast hive that by the time i get to their nat they have defilers out t.t. And i tried to do it the kor way 2 ebay 1 fact 1 port and its so hard cause im a really slow player like 150-170 tvz and my money soars to like 2-4 k late game i feel like im lost.

and i never beated a zerg late game unless they fucked up.

I enjoy tvz alot im just bad at it haha
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
April 16 2008 04:56 GMT
#16
you are just psychologically scarred from our games.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
April 16 2008 05:09 GMT
#17
im scarred from your bnet mutas
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
April 16 2008 09:11 GMT
#18
i put up some of my tvz if anyone feels it might be able to help him, now take my replays with a grain of salt, i like to think im not a bad player but i still make shitloads of mistakes and screw up big time here and there especialy in the micro department, but i think im not that bad.

http://rapidshare.com/files/107904663/MyChoboTvz.rar.html
A weak will coupled with delusions of grandeur
d1v
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden868 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 18:13:37
April 16 2008 18:10 GMT
#19
Cool, thx. I'll definitely have a look at it.

EDIT: Respect, your mechanics and game sense are quite sound, I must say.
Adams Æbler
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 16 2008 18:41 GMT
#20
besiger.cry are you the person who had his entire base torn apart by loong)bao's muta in the svs vs bw- clan war?
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