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Forcing yourself, an insomniac, to sleep?
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Raithed
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Pwntrucci[sR]
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nofAcedAgent
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EDIT: Valarien Root[natural] ; Sleep Aid[not] | ||
zatic
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Join Fight Club. No, seriously, I find regular workout / sports work well. But you have to commit yourself to a hard and challenging schedule. It doesn't help if you just work out when you can't sleep, you have to do a full program to see any effect. At least that's how it works out for me. | ||
NonY
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imBLIND
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NonY
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And note that if you fuck up one day by sleeping in late or by staying up later than your bedtime (once you establish your bedtime) then you will be fucked for a few days and will have to stay strict and be patient to get back on course. | ||
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Macavenger
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From what I've been told, there's nothing you can really do about insomnia other than wait for it to pass naturally; all you can really do is use something to help you sleep - luckily it doesn't take full scale sleeping pills or anything. I believe it's usually induced by stress, odd sleeping habits, and maybe one or two other similar issues. I'd recommend trying to get yourself on a consistent sleep schedule, and cutting a little stress out of your life if possible. | ||
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grobo
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I find that if i grab a beer and go watch some TV i usually get sleepy as hell after a while, maybe try that. | ||
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Raithed
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On April 08 2008 06:47 NonY[rC] wrote: Oh and some more things you should strictly follow: no caffeine or other stimulants after mid day and no food close to your bedtime. And note that if you fuck up one day by sleeping in late or by staying up later than your bedtime (once you establish your bedtime) then you will be fucked for a few days and will have to stay strict and be patient to get back on course. I drink a lot of water, I drink soda once awhile. On April 08 2008 06:47 Macavenger wrote: Not sure exactly what level of insomnia you're talking about here, but when I had it in college to the point where I literally couldn't sleep for a couple weeks, the student medical center gave me normal over the counter antihistamine (diphenhydramine I think?). Apparently the stuff makes you drowsy enough to cut through the insomnia so you can start sleeping. From what I've been told, there's nothing you can really do about insomnia other than wait for it to pass naturally; all you can really do is use something to help you sleep - luckily it doesn't take full scale sleeping pills or anything. I believe it's usually induced by stress, odd sleeping habits, and maybe one or two other similar issues. I'd recommend trying to get yourself on a consistent sleep schedule, and cutting a little stress out of your life if possible. An example of how bad is... I went to bed at 7AM on Saturday, I woke up at 4PM. But during school days it's 5AM-(depending on schedule)10AM/12PM. Oh, and I never take naps. Is it possible to just lay in bed and just, stare at something? Or what? Because usually I just lay there, without doing anything, then I just think. And thinking keeps me awake. | ||
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Warbux
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Yogurt
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like running a marathon or something, then go to sleep early that night and you should be back on track | ||
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fusionsdf
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if you really need to sleep, go to bed in a dark room, with no computer or tv on and close your eyes. keep your eyes closed, avoid moving unless you develop a cramp for some reason, and just let your mind flow. Dont try to block out thoughts, but dont try to actively steer them either. You just sort of observe them without attaching to them. Eventually when youve worked through all your stressors, extra thoughts etc it gets easier to sleep. if its not crucial to go to sleep on time, dont worry about it. stressing over it just makes it harder. | ||
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Raithed
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pyrogenetix
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so many people i'm with always try to act tough and cool after we play sports like "wow omg can you believe that i'm not tired yet?" well yea dipshit you didn't fuckin run HARD if you really are indeed superman and can run for like 6 days straight then get on a fuckin dynamo and start help create electricity. until then take your insomnia and shove it up your ass. i mean, most people I know that have insomnia... what do they do? nothing. they just sit around waiting as if expecting a big cup of sleepiness to slap them right across the face. if you're sitting around doing nothing well then you're not getting tired. if you're not getting tired no shit it's not gonna help you get to sleep. | ||
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fusionsdf
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On April 08 2008 07:29 Raithed wrote: How about music, does it help or not really? no I mean if you really want to listen to a song a couple times before you go to bed, or have a song stuck in your head go for it. but you should turn it off after like 20 minutes max and dont use it as a sleep aid | ||
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fusionsdf
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On April 08 2008 07:36 pyrogenetix wrote: i don't understand how people can have insomnia. it's just one of those things that don't make sense, like a laptop battery that doesn't die. wtf? that's not possible. if you have a lot of energy, then deplete your fucking batteries. whenever I'm out playing table tennis or swimming or soccer and i push myself really hard I always get back and i can barely keep my arms up and i sleep like a sack of shit. so many people i'm with always try to act tough and cool after we play sports like "wow omg can you believe that i'm not tired yet?" well yea dipshit you didn't fuckin run HARD if you really are indeed superman and can run for like 6 days straight then get on a fuckin dynamo and start help create electricity. until then take your insomnia and shove it up your ass. i mean, most people I know that have insomnia... what do they do? nothing. they just sit around waiting as if expecting a big cup of sleepiness to slap them right across the face. if you're sitting around doing nothing well then you're not getting tired. if you're not getting tired no shit it's not gonna help you get to sleep. Its more stress and repression than physical exhaustion I think. | ||
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JeeJee
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how is sleeping from 5-12 insomnia? that's a perfectly normal amount of sleep just at the wrong time. wake up at whenever you need to wake up every day (gonna guess its something like 7) and dont take naps. if you wake up at 7 everyday and still can't fall asleep by say 1am, even though you take no naps, are energetic whole day, and it's been over a week, then props to you. use that extra time to get some work done. | ||
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clazziquai
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just kidding  hows the FAP mission going | ||
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Macavenger
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On April 08 2008 07:01 Raithed wrote: An example of how bad is... I went to bed at 7AM on Saturday, I woke up at 4PM. But during school days it's 5AM-(depending on schedule)10AM/12PM. Oh, and I never take naps. Is it possible to just lay in bed and just, stare at something? Or what? Because usually I just lay there, without doing anything, then I just think. And thinking keeps me awake. Yeah, this isn't insomnia. This is just you having a screwed up sleep cycle. My advice for this would be to just skip a night of sleep. Pick some night where you don't have much important you have to do the next day and just don't go to bed. Try to stay up until like 9-10pm if you can, then get up at 7-8am the next morning, and try to get yourself used to a schedule similar to that. It's probably not the best method to fix your cycle exactly, but it's definitely the fastest. | ||
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Macavenger
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On April 08 2008 07:36 pyrogenetix wrote: i don't understand how people can have insomnia. it's just one of those things that don't make sense, like a laptop battery that doesn't die. wtf? that's not possible. if you have a lot of energy, then deplete your fucking batteries. whenever I'm out playing table tennis or swimming or soccer and i push myself really hard I always get back and i can barely keep my arms up and i sleep like a sack of shit. so many people i'm with always try to act tough and cool after we play sports like "wow omg can you believe that i'm not tired yet?" well yea dipshit you didn't fuckin run HARD if you really are indeed superman and can run for like 6 days straight then get on a fuckin dynamo and start help create electricity. until then take your insomnia and shove it up your ass. i mean, most people I know that have insomnia... what do they do? nothing. they just sit around waiting as if expecting a big cup of sleepiness to slap them right across the face. if you're sitting around doing nothing well then you're not getting tired. if you're not getting tired no shit it's not gonna help you get to sleep. You're not describing insomnia here either. Not being tired because you haven't done anything == silly, it =/= insomnia. Insomnia == you are tired as fuck but can't actually fall asleep. Insomnia is when, after a normal schedule of activity which makes you tired, you go to bed but can't fall asleep. It's typically stress induced and lasts 1-2 weeks. After a couple days your life just sucks, because you're completely drained physically and mentally, and no matter how many hours you lie in bed for you can't fall asleep. Going out and running or something doesn't help - believe me, I tried. Getting yourself more exhausted doesn't help anything. You get all the wonderful effects of sleep deprivation and such, and it basically turns you into a total wreck until it runs its course. | ||
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ulszz
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defenestrate
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Get Tom Clancy books. Not the novels (most of which are actually interesting in some places) but the military technical/organizational nonfiction. Two to five pages will put you to sleep, guaranteed. Listening to Gregorian chant also does wonders. | ||
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Raithed
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On April 08 2008 07:51 JeeJee wrote: lol wtf? how is sleeping from 5-12 insomnia? that's a perfectly normal amount of sleep just at the wrong time. wake up at whenever you need to wake up every day (gonna guess its something like 7) and dont take naps. if you wake up at 7 everyday and still can't fall asleep by say 1am, even though you take no naps, are energetic whole day, and it's been over a week, then props to you. use that extra time to get some work done. Lol, this is this semester, past semesters were 2-3hrs of sleep. | ||
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Raithed
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On April 08 2008 08:23 clazziquai wrote: FAP just kidding hows the FAP mission going I'm going. Once I pass tonight, it'll be 4th day! | ||
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pyrogenetix
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On April 08 2008 08:37 Macavenger wrote: You're not describing insomnia here either. Not being tired because you haven't done anything == silly, it =/= insomnia. Insomnia == you are tired as fuck but can't actually fall asleep. Insomnia is when, after a normal schedule of activity which makes you tired, you go to bed but can't fall asleep. It's typically stress induced and lasts 1-2 weeks. After a couple days your life just sucks, because you're completely drained physically and mentally, and no matter how many hours you lie in bed for you can't fall asleep. Going out and running or something doesn't help - believe me, I tried. Getting yourself more exhausted doesn't help anything. You get all the wonderful effects of sleep deprivation and such, and it basically turns you into a total wreck until it runs its course. oh ok shit that sounds bad =( i take what i said back then uhhhhhh go see a doc or smthn? | ||
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ilj.psa
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Just relax, like you were taking a nap and you suddenly fall asleep. | ||
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Warbux
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zachmorris
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its probably the best night of sleep I have had in awhile. I'm rambling, but this should make sense. Gl. | ||
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ilj.psa
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On April 08 2008 10:10 Warbux wrote: does any1 know if sleeping pills r addictive? im really having a hard time falling asleep, i might have to resort to taking sleeping pills but at the same time i dont wanna become dependent on it... yes they are. my mother took them and slept well but later on she could'nt sleep without them. finally she decided to not take the pills and could't sleep for 15 consecutive days, they are extremely addictive | ||
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Kezban
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Warbux
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On April 08 2008 11:11 Kezban wrote: This may sound like fucking bullshit, but I will guaratee you this works or your money back. Simply have a very intense masturbation session where you orgasm at least 3 times. If you find it hard to orgasm the 2nd or 3rd time, shove your middel finger or a pencil with a smooth tip into your arse hole. This will induce an ejaculation as you push on your prostate. I will be exhausted from the session that you will fall asleep. LOL | ||
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Macavenger
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On April 08 2008 09:47 pyrogenetix wrote: oh ok shit that sounds bad =( i take what i said back then uhhhhhh go see a doc or smthn? There's nothing really doctors can do it about it, it just has to run its course. The times I've had it I just take benadryl when going to bed for a week or two, it's enough to help you start sleeping. Actual sleeping pills are unnecessary, I'd avoid them. As long as you're sensible about it there shouldn't be any risk of getting addicted to benadryl. | ||
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JeeJee
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On April 08 2008 09:11 Raithed wrote: Lol, this is this semester, past semesters were 2-3hrs of sleep. that's still not insomnia lol? my roomate got by on 4hrs of sleep somehow with an occasional nap every other week. props to him, but for me it's more efficient to sleep 2-3 extra hours and then be wide awake and work much faster throughout the day. let me clarify: if you sleep, you're not insomniac. you sleep because you're tired, to regen. if you have insomnia, even if you're tired you cannot sleep. it sucks, it blows, and you think the whole world is against you. then you stop giving a shit about what was giving you a hard time (some bitch decides to break up with you for instance) and the stress goes away since you don't care anymore and then you sleep fine because a lot of it is stress based. i think someone already said something similar to this. | ||
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Raithed
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On April 08 2008 11:11 Kezban wrote: This may sound like fucking bullshit, but I will guaratee you this works or your money back. Simply have a very intense masturbation session where you orgasm at least 3 times. If you find it hard to orgasm the 2nd or 3rd time, shove your middel finger or a pencil with a smooth tip into your arse hole. This will induce an ejaculation as you push on your prostate. I will be exhausted from the session that you will fall asleep. But what if the person is a chronic masturbator whose also an insomniac? | ||
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clazziquai
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On April 08 2008 09:12 Raithed wrote: I'm going. Once I pass tonight, it'll be 4th day! Today should be the 5th day. After tonight, DAY 6 :D | ||
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Raithed
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On April 08 2008 12:19 clazziquai wrote: Today should be the 5th day. After tonight, DAY 6 :D Amazing, we're both holding up. At least you never failed yet. | ||
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ilj.psa
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On April 08 2008 12:30 zachmorris wrote: Fuck, I'm addicted to sleeping pills then. heh thats actually a serious thing you should get help o.o | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
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BaDayOri
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stanley_
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Just sleep at regular times and your clock should reset itself and get use to a normal sleeping time | ||
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MarklarMarklar
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
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On April 08 2008 13:24 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Im the opposite i sleep too much. I cant fall asleep at night so when i do sleep and wake up im all groggy and take like 5 hour naps -_- in the middle of the day I do the same thing, but I really enjoy it. Except I can fall asleep, too. I just take naps during the day for some reason. | ||
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quirinus
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On April 08 2008 13:24 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Im the opposite i sleep too much. I cant fall asleep at night so when i do sleep and wake up im all groggy and take like 5 hour naps -_- in the middle of the day exactly what I do... and fuck who put those college lessons at 8 am, I hate that. never been to them. xD I kinda like laying in the bed and pondering, but it's baaaaaad. have to go back to normal sleeping habits. I've had this problem like half an year now, can't remember last time I slept at night for 2 or more days in a row. it really kills your life. | ||
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CapO
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gnite. | ||
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