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United States1293 Posts
So bring on all queries, questions, challenges, debates. Flaming is encouraged, and unless you say something utterly retarded you need not fear being banned from this blog. Don't try to convert me to liberalism however; I'll tell you right now, you'll just be wasting your time.   | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
Don't try to convert me to liberalism however; I'll tell you right now, you'll just be wasting your time. This is a common problem, for humans, not conservatives. You sound like you're not interested in facts unless they vindicate opinions you already have. You should seek the truth, not something you believe for fun. That being said, what's wrong with liberalism? Most people agree, property rights, democracy, civil rights and liberties are pretty good. Not that there is much democracy in the United States, but we're still pretty good about it. | ||
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United States272 Posts
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Hippopotamus
1914 Posts
2. Do you honestly associate yourself with these retards? 3. Got an opinion on net neutrality? 4. Do you think rape victims should be allowed to have an abortion? If yes, explain how their babies' lives are worth any less than the lives of regularly conceived babies. If you think their suffering outweighs the baby's life, tell explain why can you so arbitrarily draw a line as to when a life is sacred and when it is not. If your answer is no, explain how you can be such a callous person? 5. Neo-nazis, do they have freedom of speech or freedom of STFU? 6. Homosexuals: death penalty or life imprisonment? 7. Do you subscribe to intelligent design and intelligent falling movements? 8. How realistic do you think laissez faire economics is in the 21st century? | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
George Bush sucks. The Patriot act was like taking a big steaming dump on the Constitution. Holy Christ on a stick, evolution exists, deal with it. The rich ARE getting richer, and the poor ARE getting poorer. GEORGE BUSH SUCKS. Give us back our Social Security. Dick Cheney is composed entirely of evil. Chocolate is better than Vanilla. Give me $10. Mike Huckabee supporters shouldn't be allowed outside on their own. Health Care is an important issue. There, that covers most of my gripes with the republican party, as well as a few things that I don't actually believe, do with it as you please. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:25 Hippopotamus wrote: 1. Why do you not (or perhaps you do?) support fascism? 2. Do you honestly associate yourself with these retards? 3. Got an opinion on net neutrality? 4. Do you think rape victims should be allowed to have an abortion? If yes, explain how their babies' lives are worth any less than the life of regularly conceived babies. If you think their suffering outweighs the baby's life, tell explain why can you so arbitrarily draw a line as to when a life is sacred and when it is not. If your answer is no, explain how you can be such a callous person? 5. Neo-nazis, do they have freedom of speech or freedom of STFU? 6. Homosexuals, death penalty or life imprisonment? 7. Do you subscribe to intelligent design and intelligent falling movements? 8. How realistic do you think laissez faire economics are in the 21st century? Hippopotamus not to be offensive but some of your questions are incredibly stereotypical based and not actually conservative related. Basically, you're loading some questions based on the contemporary "conservative" which is very different from an older conservative base. 1. Fascism is a sign of a strong government. It oppresses people and controls the economy. In that sense, it is actually more similar to liberalism than conservatism. 4. That's such a loaded question lol. It applies to religious conservatives only. 5. That applies to liberals and conservatives. 6. Come on. Is that really necessary? 7. Again, really necessary? 8. Considering that the US economy has never been actually laissez-faire, you have no background to make this judgement. The 1920's wasn't laissez faire, that was corporatism. Kind of like today. | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:27 Lemonwalrus wrote: Death sentence is government sanctioned murder. George Bush sucks. The Patriot act was like taking a big steaming dump on the Constitution. Holy Christ on a stick, evolution exists, deal with it. The rich ARE getting richer, and the poor ARE getting poorer. GEORGE BUSH SUCKS. Give us back our Social Security. Dick Cheney is composed entirely of evil. Chocolate is better than Vanilla. Give me $10. Mike Huckabee supporters shouldn't be allowed outside on their own. Health Care is an important issue. There, that covers most of my gripes with the republican party, as well as a few things that I don't actually believe, do with it as you please. There's a big difference between Republicans and conservatives. Please understand this. If you removed most of the kook religious complaints it would look like this: The rich ARE getting richer, and the poor ARE getting poorer. Chocolate is better than Vanilla. Give me $10. Health Care is an important issue. That's economic/food issues, and a better topic for debate. | ||
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Hippopotamus
1914 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:32 Caller wrote: Hippopotamus not to be offensive but some of your questions are incredibly stereotypical based and not actually conservative related. Basically, you're loading some questions based on the contemporary "conservative" which is very different from an older conservative base. 1. Fascism is a sign of a strong government. It oppresses people and controls the economy. In that sense, it is actually more similar to liberalism than conservatism. 4. That's such a loaded question lol. It applies to religious conservatives only. 5. That applies to liberals and conservatives. 6. Come on. Is that really necessary? 7. Again, really necessary? 8. Considering that the US economy has never been actually laissez-faire, you have no background to make this judgement. The 1920's wasn't laissez faire, that was corporatism. Kind of like today. Well I do not know if he is a neoconservative or a paleoconservative. That is why I tried to split the questions half-half. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
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Poland8075 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:36 Ancestral wrote: Liberalism is not associated with big government. Unless you mean modern American liberalism, but since you're talking about an "older conservative base," I assume you must also be discussing an "older liberal base," which consists of thought advocating a free and open economy, democracy, and individual rights. Your ideas sound like those of a "classical liberal" which is a different time reference from the "Old Right," i.e. the paleo-conservatives. I personally am a classical liberal, but I share a lot (not all) of the views of the paleos. I am quite upset with both neoliberalism and neoconservatism, and that's what I mean by bigger government. Since today, liberalism is not referring to classical liberalism, neoliberalism is the kind I meant. | ||
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United States1293 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:27 Lemonwalrus wrote: Death sentence is government sanctioned murder. George Bush sucks. The Patriot act was like taking a big steaming dump on the Constitution. Holy Christ on a stick, evolution exists, deal with it. The rich ARE getting richer, and the poor ARE getting poorer. GEORGE BUSH SUCKS. Give us back our Social Security. Dick Cheney is composed entirely of evil. Chocolate is better than Vanilla. Give me $10. Mike Huckabee supporters shouldn't be allowed outside on their own. Health Care is an important issue. There, that covers most of my gripes with the republican party, as well as a few things that I don't actually believe, do with it as you please. Not much to debate about if you don't give reasons for your opinions. The only ones that are legitimate points to debate (I'm going to ignore your "Dick Cheney is evil" type comments with no substance) are Social Security and Rich-Poor disparity. Social security obviously will NOT work in the future because while the worker to beneficiary ratio was 42:1 back in the baby boomer days, now it is only 1:3 and is slowly getting worse. Us workers and SSpayers today will not get the same benefits when we retire. Doesn't it make more sense for the government to put your OWN money in a private savings account that can't be accessed until retirement so you get your OWN money in return? The rich are getting richer, and so are the poor. It is ridiculous and naive to believe that the poor are actually literally getting poorer, it is just that the disparity is larger. For example, someone with something to eat during the depression would not be considered poor. However, nowadays, someone without a car is considered poor. When the economy improves, everyone benefits. Plus, its not right to take money from the wealthy and the middle class to support ineffective, government sponsored welfare. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:35 Caller wrote: There's a big difference between Republicans and conservatives. Please understand this. If you removed most of the kook religious complaints it would look like this: The rich ARE getting richer, and the poor ARE getting poorer. Chocolate is better than Vanilla. Give me $10. Health Care is an important issue. That's economic/food issues, and a better topic for debate. Idk, I was using the shotgun strategy, hoping one of them would stick and start up some friendly debate. Oh, and srsly, give me $10. | ||
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United States1293 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:36 Ancestral wrote: Liberalism is not associated with big government. Unless you mean modern American liberalism, but since you're talking about an "older conservative base," I assume you must also be discussing an "older liberal base," which consists of thought advocating a free and open economy, democracy, and individual rights. 21st century conservatism=19th century liberalism. Nowadays, liberalism is huge government, as opposed to the old days when liberalism meant lack of government. | ||
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Poland8075 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:42 Lemonwalrus wrote: Idk, I was using the shotgun strategy, hoping one of them would stick and start up some friendly debate. Oh, and srsly, give me $10. I would but it would cost me 20$ to mail it to you. Not only that but the government might get suspicious and pull the patriot act on my ass. But 10$ isn't worth much these days. | ||
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United States1293 Posts
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Poland8075 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:43 Try wrote: 21st century conservatism=19th century liberalism. Nowadays, liberalism is huge government, as opposed to the old days when liberalism meant lack of government. I'm pretty sure a 21st century conservative is actually a 20th century socialist. edit: sorry to hijack your blog I just enjoy debating neoliberals and neocons and I couldn't resist a go. | ||
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United States1293 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:14 Rev0lution wrote: what kind of conservative are you social, fiscal, foreign policy ? social (not really death penalty though) and fiscal. Not so much foreign policy, but I do believe in the War on Terror and defending ourselves. And I'm strongly anti illiegal immigration, my parents spent years of their lives working hard for their green cards. | ||
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Poland8075 Posts
On March 08 2008 10:45 Try wrote: social (not really death penalty though) and fiscal. Not so much foreign policy, but I do believe in the War on Terror and defending ourselves. And I'm strongly anti illiegal immigration, my parents spent years of their lives working hard for their green cards. If you are a fiscal conservative, why do you support the War on Terror as it is racking up billions if not trillions of government spending a year? | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
As for conservatism, what's you interpretation of it, try? I need more information as to what you mean by conseravive. Edit: Try, the Republican party (though perhaps this is not a "conservative" view) has traditionally been strongly pro-immigration because it stimulates the economy (barring welfare, which is silly). I would say immigration is very good, and instead of being against illegal immigration, immigration should be an easier process. All that should be necessary is a willingness to work and no criminal offenses. Thoughts? | ||
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