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Xeofreestyler
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Belgium6772 Posts
February 28 2008 01:51 GMT
#41
Ugh.


"Alcohol possibly stimulates brain cell growth."

ok, whatever. pot possibly does the same.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/14/100404.php
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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-28 07:47:19
February 28 2008 03:00 GMT
#42
Physician, what are better sources than red wine? Are there comparable benefits to red wine in weed?

Well marijuana does have many medical indications and has been used for centuries in the treatment of several ailments and symptoms (nausea suppressant, appetite stimulant, pain management modifier, for glaucoma etc..) but due to the stigma around its use during the 70 years in the developed world it has not been used for these purposes; stigma that has even hindered important research.

Only recently has this changed, some cannabinoid drugs are actually being produced and used as medications and more important there is a huge amount of research now on endogenous cannabinoid systems in mammals and humans. The result of this research will probably end up shedding light and even improving how we treat a myriad of diseases such as atherosclerosis, insulin resistance, hypertension, obesity and even dementia. There are numerous of very promising drugs coming out of this research as we speak.

Does marijuana have any positive benefit on a healthy individual per se? Smoke pot to delay age of onset of glaucoma or even prevent it in mild cases? It would, but its over kill lol..So no, not that I know, at least no practical benefit in health prevention. If you enjoy a blunt then that would be your benefit, i.e. recreational, not health. Watching a violent movie, getting drunk, playing rugby, driving!, are all probably more dangerous recreational activities than pot smoking will ever be. Of course getting high on pot and going off car racing ain't to bright but that is not pot, that's your lack of imagination or poor survival skills.

In general a healthy body does not need any drug plus marijuana does have some harmful effects in kids no matter what the young pot heads want to believe (I think I have posted some of them here at tl.net before -search chobocop & pot). Smoke inhalation is also definitively harmful both in kid and adults (though not nearly as dangerous as tobacco).
Are the risks significant or important? In general no, in some cases they can be (namely you should not use pot chronically if you have a strong family history of schizophrenia) or if you want to be at your peek in academia lol.. your intellectual performance does take a toll if you are a chronic user and that is without going into motivation issues.

Point is when you compare marijuana to other drugs, it risks and harmful effects are laughable: http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm

As for the benefits of red wine, hey if you enjoy a glass daily why would you want another source? It's not like it does much in terms of positive effects anyway (or harm if you stay under 4 ounces and if you are otherwise healthy - forget any alcohol if you have high blood pressure, insulin resistance, heart failure, diabetes, obesity etc.. etc.. you get the point - the moderate red wine thing only works if you are absolutely healthy to start of with - and that is why you can also gleem at the bias of some these studies lol).
In other words we are talking about very small numbers in relative risks or relative benefits under these conditions.
Point is red wine tastes good if you have developed an acquired taste for it - and yes it can change your LDL/HDL in a favorable manner - and it probably has some anti-clotting properties. Then again you can find in nature far better agents that do exactly this but they taste like shit man (willow bark juice and shrimp shell's own your red wine anytime!).
And if you don't want natural, a low dose aspirin and a statin drug will increase your chances of living longer and healthier way more than anything nature can offer you or your red wine will ever dream doing (healthy or not).

That is way I am not going to advice you ever to drink certain grape juices, or non-alcoholic red wine, or grape skin/seed extracts which is probably what you were wanting to know. They all probably as good or better than red wine, plus you avoid the alcohol but it is not practical or significant.
There is also a lot of debate whether it is the components of the wine, the way the wine is consumed, or the lifestyle traits that is the most responsible for the long healthy lives of many wine drinkers from certain countries.

Anyway it is all about relative risks. Low relative risks don't mean shit considering life in general. Its the high relative risks factors one should always pay attention too - like avoiding tabacco smoking, using a seat belt, driving safely, seeking early medical attention when you have a health problem, follow modern preventive medicine guidelines - each age has its big risks to pay attention etc.. One glass of red wine daily is a very low relative risk if you have no family history of alcoholism and are healthy, so who cares, not worth bothering about from an individual's point of view. Maybe the right glass of red wine helps you say the right thing and you end up marrying the right girl - a life time of happiness must be healthy! Now for society at large, red wine does far more harm than it will ever do any good, by far.

You decide, me personally I stay away from drugs of any kind, wine and alcohol included and simply take my chances. I cheat though, I know my genes, on those I put my faith on.

PS1 Sorry for the rambling, I had to edit it several times, you see, I drank a little too much wine tonight //lol.

PS2 when I say you or your, its plural, myself included.
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OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
February 28 2008 03:29 GMT
#43
ty Physician;o
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11584 Posts
February 28 2008 04:01 GMT
#44
http://ydouthink.com/tvandradio.php

I love these videos, because of how retarded they are.

"nonsmokers get kissed more" LOL sure,
"teen smokers get belly fat" Most of my smoking friends are skinny as shit
some chick licking everything and the voice "isn't smoking just as disgusting?" umm no.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 28 2008 04:21 GMT
#45
I bet you non-smokers get repeat kissed more.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24709 Posts
February 28 2008 04:22 GMT
#46
On February 28 2008 13:01 CaucasianAsian wrote:
some chick licking everything and the voice "isn't smoking just as disgusting?" umm no.
This one I don't really agree with. Well, it isn't quite 1:1, but it's not so far off either.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
OverTheUnder
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2929 Posts
February 28 2008 07:20 GMT
#47
On February 28 2008 13:01 CaucasianAsian wrote:
http://ydouthink.com/tvandradio.php

I love these videos, because of how retarded they are.

"nonsmokers get kissed more" LOL sure,
"teen smokers get belly fat" Most of my smoking friends are skinny as shit
some chick licking everything and the voice "isn't smoking just as disgusting?" umm no.


those are even worse than "above the influence"
Honor would be taking it up the ass and curing all diseases, damn how stupid can people get. -baal http://puertoricanbw.ytmnd.com/
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 28 2008 10:34 GMT
#48
things get troublesome when silly people take themselves seriously.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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