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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote: No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ? | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
On December 10 2007 05:47 Jibba wrote: No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure. I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it) | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 10 2007 07:34 fight_or_flight wrote: I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it) I disagree. | ||
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fight_or_flight
United States3988 Posts
But how can you understand eternal suffering if you've never experienced it? All of our ideas are based on experiences, and unless you've experienced something, you can only say indirect things about it. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 10 2007 11:53 fight_or_flight wrote: the demand for a 'true understanding of something nonexistent' is silly. there is nothing to understand, thus what you understand is it, and the general impression of the idea is enough. concreteness does apply to individual conceptions and existences, but not for the mental state of one constantly in doubt over one conception or another. there really is no point in pursuing this further. But how can you understand eternal suffering if you've never experienced it? All of our ideas are based on experiences, and unless you've experienced something, you can only say indirect things about it. | ||
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TesisMech
Peru688 Posts
On December 10 2007 13:13 oneofthem wrote: the demand for a 'true understanding of something nonexistent' is silly. there is nothing to understand, thus what you understand is it, and the general impression of the idea is enough. concreteness does apply to individual conceptions and existences, but not for the mental state of one constantly in doubt over one conception or another. there really is no point in pursuing this further. Are you always going to sneak in your beliefs to an hypothetical question? and my response is : If you want to go to hell, you will go to hell. God will not go against your own will and forcefully put you into heaven, if you don't want it. | ||
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lugggy
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SirKibbleX
United States479 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On December 11 2007 02:02 TesisMech wrote: i dont understand what you are trying to sayAre you always going to sneak in your beliefs to an hypothetical question? and my response is : If you want to go to hell, you will go to hell. God will not go against your own will and forcefully put you into heaven, if you don't want it. | ||
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lvatural
United States347 Posts
Hell is just basically infinite displeasure. Now if you enjoy the conventional term "displeasure" then hell would obviously be something of that opposite. So....of course you have the free will of choosing to go to hell.... But if hell is defined as the opposite of what you want...I don't see how choosing to go to hell can be one of rational thought.... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On December 11 2007 11:04 lvatural wrote: Yeah, I think that's the conclusion I've come to. Hell is extreme displeasure that's relative to every single person, and by definition it's not possible to want displeasure. Bad question, sorry!@But if hell is defined as the opposite of what you want...I don't see how choosing to go to hell can be one of rational thought.... | ||
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MoltkeWarding
5195 Posts
Is it possible to want to be evil? This would come under the Catholic category of Mortal Sin, although evil itself is not a realistic purpose. It is simply consenting to do evil. | ||
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