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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 09 2007 20:47 GMT
#21
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2007 15:02 Jibba wrote:
This isn't about Atheism vs. Christianity vs. others (I'm atheist btw), it's just about whether humans have the capacity to do what I said.

ATM, I don't think we do.

If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ?
No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
December 09 2007 22:34 GMT
#22
On December 10 2007 05:47 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote:
On December 09 2007 15:02 Jibba wrote:
This isn't about Atheism vs. Christianity vs. others (I'm atheist btw), it's just about whether humans have the capacity to do what I said.

ATM, I don't think we do.

If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ?
No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.

I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it)
Do you really want chat rooms?
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
December 10 2007 01:45 GMT
#23
On December 10 2007 07:34 fight_or_flight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2007 05:47 Jibba wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote:
On December 09 2007 15:02 Jibba wrote:
This isn't about Atheism vs. Christianity vs. others (I'm atheist btw), it's just about whether humans have the capacity to do what I said.

ATM, I don't think we do.

If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ?
No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.

I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it)


I disagree.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
December 10 2007 02:53 GMT
#24
On December 10 2007 10:45 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2007 07:34 fight_or_flight wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:47 Jibba wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote:
On December 09 2007 15:02 Jibba wrote:
This isn't about Atheism vs. Christianity vs. others (I'm atheist btw), it's just about whether humans have the capacity to do what I said.

ATM, I don't think we do.

If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ?
No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.

I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it)


I disagree.

But how can you understand eternal suffering if you've never experienced it? All of our ideas are based on experiences, and unless you've experienced something, you can only say indirect things about it.
Do you really want chat rooms?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 04:22:44
December 10 2007 04:13 GMT
#25
On December 10 2007 11:53 fight_or_flight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2007 10:45 Mindcrime wrote:
On December 10 2007 07:34 fight_or_flight wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:47 Jibba wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote:
On December 09 2007 15:02 Jibba wrote:
This isn't about Atheism vs. Christianity vs. others (I'm atheist btw), it's just about whether humans have the capacity to do what I said.

ATM, I don't think we do.

If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ?
No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.

I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it)


I disagree.

But how can you understand eternal suffering if you've never experienced it? All of our ideas are based on experiences, and unless you've experienced something, you can only say indirect things about it.
the demand for a 'true understanding of something nonexistent' is silly. there is nothing to understand, thus what you understand is it, and the general impression of the idea is enough. concreteness does apply to individual conceptions and existences, but not for the mental state of one constantly in doubt over one conception or another. there really is no point in pursuing this further.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TesisMech
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Peru688 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 17:03:40
December 10 2007 17:02 GMT
#26
On December 10 2007 13:13 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2007 11:53 fight_or_flight wrote:
On December 10 2007 10:45 Mindcrime wrote:
On December 10 2007 07:34 fight_or_flight wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:47 Jibba wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote:
On December 09 2007 15:02 Jibba wrote:
This isn't about Atheism vs. Christianity vs. others (I'm atheist btw), it's just about whether humans have the capacity to do what I said.

ATM, I don't think we do.

If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ?
No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.

I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it)


I disagree.

But how can you understand eternal suffering if you've never experienced it? All of our ideas are based on experiences, and unless you've experienced something, you can only say indirect things about it.
the demand for a 'true understanding of something nonexistent' is silly. there is nothing to understand, thus what you understand is it, and the general impression of the idea is enough. concreteness does apply to individual conceptions and existences, but not for the mental state of one constantly in doubt over one conception or another. there really is no point in pursuing this further.

Are you always going to sneak in your beliefs to an hypothetical question?
and my response is : If you want to go to hell, you will go to hell. God will not go against your own will and forcefully put you into heaven, if you don't want it.
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 10 2007 17:09 GMT
#27
Of course it's possible. If you believe 100% in the teachings of the Catholic Church, you still have the choice to cut yourself off from God if you want, to go it alone, and that would be choosing Hell. Of course not sure why anyone would do that, if they believed Heaven was X, Hell was Y, etc. Maybe insane people might. There's a question for you. I'm sure there's a Catholic answer for them though too.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
SirKibbleX
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States479 Posts
December 10 2007 23:54 GMT
#28
But I think the point he's trying to make is that no one should ever choose hell if they believed it to be true, so it's not really much of a choice. I personally don't believe in hell, I just think that being a jerk will get you reincarnated as an ant or a dung beetle lol.
Praemonitus, Praemunitus.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 11 2007 01:23 GMT
#29
On December 11 2007 02:02 TesisMech wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2007 13:13 oneofthem wrote:
On December 10 2007 11:53 fight_or_flight wrote:
On December 10 2007 10:45 Mindcrime wrote:
On December 10 2007 07:34 fight_or_flight wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:47 Jibba wrote:
On December 10 2007 05:28 TesisMech wrote:
On December 09 2007 15:02 Jibba wrote:
This isn't about Atheism vs. Christianity vs. others (I'm atheist btw), it's just about whether humans have the capacity to do what I said.

ATM, I don't think we do.

If you want to go to hell, whose stopping you ?
No one, but I don't think it's possible to want to go to Hell. Even masochism takes pleasure in pain, but Hell would be displeasure.

I don't think this is a well-defined question, because it's pretty difficult to understand the concept of Hell. (I think its pretty impossible to completely understand it)


I disagree.

But how can you understand eternal suffering if you've never experienced it? All of our ideas are based on experiences, and unless you've experienced something, you can only say indirect things about it.
the demand for a 'true understanding of something nonexistent' is silly. there is nothing to understand, thus what you understand is it, and the general impression of the idea is enough. concreteness does apply to individual conceptions and existences, but not for the mental state of one constantly in doubt over one conception or another. there really is no point in pursuing this further.

Are you always going to sneak in your beliefs to an hypothetical question?
and my response is : If you want to go to hell, you will go to hell. God will not go against your own will and forcefully put you into heaven, if you don't want it.
i dont understand what you are trying to say
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
lvatural
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States347 Posts
December 11 2007 02:04 GMT
#30
Yeah...I think if you want to go to hell you don't quite understand it....
Hell is just basically infinite displeasure. Now if you enjoy the conventional term "displeasure" then hell would obviously be something of that opposite.
So....of course you have the free will of choosing to go to hell....
But if hell is defined as the opposite of what you want...I don't see how choosing to go to hell can be one of rational thought....
--
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 11 2007 11:57 GMT
#31
On December 11 2007 11:04 lvatural wrote:

But if hell is defined as the opposite of what you want...I don't see how choosing to go to hell can be one of rational thought....
Yeah, I think that's the conclusion I've come to. Hell is extreme displeasure that's relative to every single person, and by definition it's not possible to want displeasure. Bad question, sorry!@
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-14 02:09:23
December 14 2007 02:07 GMT
#32
Is it possible to want to be evil?


This would come under the Catholic category of Mortal Sin, although evil itself is not a realistic purpose. It is simply consenting to do evil.
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