EPTSocialism Anyone? - Page 10
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12318 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23453 Posts
On June 25 2025 21:57 Nebuchad wrote: One of the very direct outcomes that could happen here, outside of the important possibility that it galvanizes change elsewhere, depends on how he did with the jewish electorate. Unless he got torched there (and he probably didn't I'm assuming), we might finally lose the insanely racist notion that in order to appeal to jewish voters you need to be a supporter of genocide and ethnostates. I have my reservations about it all, but this is promising. Cuomo won't say he's not running in the general yet, and there will be a long list of excuses for why NYC is the only place this can work. But that won't really work with the Jewish electorate, since NYC has the most Jewish voters. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23453 Posts
EDIT: Also chips away at the "Democrats need to nominate slightly less old (than Biden) white guys with centrist politics" thinking. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12318 Posts
As far as I remember the NYT isn't Fox News, they're liberal media, right? That's the methods they're ready to use when the left is winning. Hopefully the people who talked about how libs are ready to go along with the left and only the left is doing divisive stuff are still watching, and they also saw the many NY dems who decided not to endorse their own primary winner. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12318 Posts
I would suggest that this is a terrible metric to judge where the voter base is. Currently both parties in the US support billionaires, and yet you can get 41% of people to say nice things about someone who kills one. It is hard to fight against an established political party, no matter where your views are, from the left; because the party obtains support from the wealthy, the capitalists, the media, the entire system. Much easier to do it from the right because they'll get support from a bunch of fascist billionaires whenever they start a podcast. It isn't a surprise that you're getting these results in primary elections, you shouldn't draw big conclusions on Americans based on something that isn't a surprise. On top of that you also have a large amount of naive people who have been convinced that they can't have nice things and that it is the adult, pragmatic thing to vote against their own interests, in both parties. Poll after poll will show that almost every single progressive priority has majority support in the US. Contrary to popular belief, Americans aren't exceptional, they're people, they have the same views and positions than any other people, unless those views are modified and changed by a process called conditioning (Punish Yourself, CNN War). If you think we need to go after the conditioning first, I can hear it. But then it starts with you, because this notion that Americans as a general rule care about hurting trans people more than they care about being able to afford their groceries or their healthcare, well, it's an insane notion. You definitely got conditioned into believing it. | ||
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ETisME
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THE established parties in the US are made up with tones of different ideologies split. Look at Arnold, he's more centralist than MAGA. That's just normal and people are still voting with compromise, rather than only accept the extreme ends with no compromise. Hell even Trump policies are more aligned with Kennedy. The idea that Trump is alt or far right is completely irrelevant. His policies are somewhat even pro big gov/state capitalism, despite him also promoting free market. Things just haven't gotten to a state like Germany where far right is the one getting the votes and the gov needs to use whatever weapons against it despite the voters voting them. More and more political assassins are of course a sign US do have a subset of radical voters but at least most voters still lean on compromising. | ||
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Robinw
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