• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:49
CEST 15:49
KST 22:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-69SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-64PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)14Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE18
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #4/8 - Percival Protoss AoE skill expression 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) StarCraft 2 at SC4ALL II Invite #3/8 - Clem
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ The Korean Terminology Thread ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Recent recommended BW games Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game
Tourneys
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament - Season 3 SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo 2 thread General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Iain M Banks Says He Has Cancer And Months To Live US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The Clem Fan Club INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
NBA General Discussion Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6092 users

On enlisting

Blogs > defenestrate
Post a Reply
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
October 28 2007 20:23 GMT
#1
This is my first attempt at a nonrhyming poem. I'm not very happy with it, but have to start somewhere.



On Wanting to Enlist in 2003

The schooling finished. I am seventeen,
And have no choice but to return to school,
Wherein my worth is said to be. Thus deem
Progenitors: the donor of the seed
A balding peacock, graying plumage spread;
The mother but an ostrich, with her head
Held deep in sands of old religious lies.

I come to the recruiter, free by day
For this short span between the hated school
And its mature successor. Thus I yearn
To flee, to change my fate, to do by choice
As cousins do at gunpoint far away,
As ancestors, by direst need possessed,
Enlisted to oppose the fascist tanks.

From tyranny to tyranny I tread.
Today, the random justice of the state
Holds more appeal than that by birthright earned.
The hollowness of glory with a gun
Is fuller than whatever classrooms hold.
The uniform at least presents a risk
And flips the bird to birds from which I spawned.

My tests, my mental state suffice and more;
My health disqualifies. Goodbye, says he,
And with one word my budding hope destroys.

(If it had been another two years hence,
The flaw could just as well have been dismissed,
And I might stain the silica afar,
Another coffin added to the count,
Another tickmark given to the ticks
Who lust for power, seeking to replace
The swine that bathe, befouling it, today.)


We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
October 28 2007 21:03 GMT
#2
I love you
<3 Nada [On and off TL.net since 2002
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
October 28 2007 21:58 GMT
#3
I love you, too
Hates Fun🤔
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
October 29 2007 00:40 GMT
#4
me too
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
October 29 2007 04:32 GMT
#5
I can see why you're not happy with it. Not very inspired. Definitely an assignment poem.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
October 29 2007 23:04 GMT
#6
I'll comment on this in the morning. I'll try to give you a constructive comment.
Moderator
Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
October 30 2007 10:31 GMT
#7
On October 29 2007 05:23 defenestrate wrote:
On Wanting to Enlist in 2003

The schooling finished. I am seventeen,
And have no choice but to return to school,
Wherein my worth is said to be. Thus deem
Progenitors: the donor of the seed
A balding peacock, graying plumage spread;
The mother but an ostrich, with her head
Held deep in sands of old religious lies.

I come to the recruiter, free by day
For this short span between the hated school
And its mature successor. Thus I yearn
To flee, to change my fate, to do by choice
As cousins do at gunpoint far away,
As ancestors, by direst need possessed,
Enlisted to oppose the fascist tanks.

From tyranny to tyranny I tread.
Today, the random justice of the state
Holds more appeal than that by birthright earned.
The hollowness of glory with a gun
Is fuller than whatever classrooms hold.
The uniform at least presents a risk
And flips the bird to birds from which I spawned.

My tests, my mental state suffice and more;
My health disqualifies. Goodbye, says he,
And with one word my budding hope destroys.

(If it had been another two years hence,
The flaw could just as well have been dismissed,
And I might stain the silica afar,
Another coffin added to the count,
Another tickmark given to the ticks
Who lust for power, seeking to replace
The swine that bathe, befouling it, today.)


Ok, so I've got a few issues with this. Firstly, there seems to be no point or purpose to the poem. Is this poem a didactic poem? a descriptive poem? I honestly don't know, it feels more like you took a topic, wrote a story about it, and then added some descriptive words to it. What you need with poetry is some reason to make people want to read your poem. What makes your poem stand out from any random poetry? You need to do something to make your poem more than just jumbled lines strung together.

On to the more technical stuff:


The schooling finished. I am seventeen,
And have no choice but to return to school,


This reads very awkwardly. Firstly the schooling/school repetition is very uncomfortable, I'm not sure if you added that on purpose, or whether you just missed the repetition, but it doesn't work. Repetition of words must be used for a purpose. The repetition can serve as a rhythmic device (the dead man and his dead dog crossed the dead sea), to give the poem a beat, as a thematic device (the old man spoke like death, with death watching him), or simply for increased emphasis (the soon dead man raised his soon dead hands). The repetition you use in the poem breaks the rhythm, so it's not a rhythmic device, and while school might be seen as the topic of your poem, it is not a theme. Finally, there's no need to use emphasis at this time, especially not at the cost of the rhythm.

Wherein my worth is said to be. Thus deem
Progenitors: the donor of the seed
A balding peacock, graying plumage spread;


Now these lines just baffle me. Not just because of what they say, but also the way you say it. The tone of these lines is completely different from the tone you use in the first two lines, and also from the tone you use throughout most of the poem (although there are some other similarly out of place sections in the poem). The second line of the poem is colloqiual with phrases like "but to return to" while the third line suddenly starts with "Wherein", and ends with "Thus deem Progenitors". That sudden change of style is very uncomfortable.

Then the imagery in lines 4 and 5 are way too abstract for normal poetry (unless you are planning on becoming a metaphysical, which hasn't been a good idea since the 17th century!). When you are making use of symbolism, make sure that either the symbolism is well known, or that the symbolism is very obvious. For instance, you can make use of a heart in symbolism, and every will know what it revers to, or you can say something like a "car which with panther legs sprung forward" which, while not commonly used, everyone will be able to deduce what is meant. Using too abstract images, while giving your poem an "intellectual" air, will only annoy readers, intellectual and otherwise.

The mother but an ostrich, with her head
Held deep in sands of old religious lies.


These lines continue the confusing bird imagery (although I do like the ostrich with her head in the sand imagery, it doesn't really fit the poem), but that's not what I wanted to point out. You now bring up the topic of religion. Why? At this point I'm not even sure what the poem is about yet, and then you bring up a completely unrelated topic just to have a stab at it. I understand how religion could possibly be linked to the poem, but you're dedicating two lines in your opening stanza to mentioning it, and then you never continue with your discussion on the topic.

I come to the recruiter, free by day
For this short span between the hated school
And its mature successor.


What does this mean? On about fourth reading I can figure out that you are talking about the army recruiter (I think), and if this is so then I can perhaps link the recruiter to the mature successor which would then be the army. How am I supposed to know this on reading it the first time though. You've never even mentioned the army, and now you are using abstract terms to refer to it. Now, if you wish to have the identity of the recruiter remain secret (to build tension) then that is fine, but this does not seem to be the purpose in your poem.

Thus I yearn
To flee, to change my fate, to do by choice
As cousins do at gunpoint far away,
As ancestors, by direst need possessed,
Enlisted to oppose the fascist tanks.


Once again, you are being to vague here. Which cousins do you refer to? Your actual cousins? How should the reader know that your actual cousins are fighting in the war. Or are you referring to the world as a great big brotherhood, and cousins represent people fighting in the war somewhere far away? If so, then cousins are once again very abstract ("brothers" would be the more widely understood image), and then your mention of facists seem to contradict the image of a universal brotherhood.

You make use of inversion again in this stanza ("by direct need possessed") and it seems out of place again. The style of your poem is mostly relaxed, except for a few lines which seem to be purposefully stylized.

A final note on this section: You can take out the "the" in the last line of the stanza. At the moment you are saying your ancestors were enlisted to fight THE facist tanks. Which facist tanks? THE facist tanks. It could be made more general by taking out the "the" and simply leaving it "enlisted to oppose facist tanks". This changes the feel of the line a bit, from a very specific statement to a more general statement about their roles in the war.

From tyranny to tyranny I tread.
Today, the random justice of the state
Holds more appeal than that by birthright earned.
The hollowness of glory with a gun
is fuller than whatever classrooms hold.
The uniform at least presents a risk
And flips the bird to birds from which I spawned.


The first line also makes use of inversion, but I don't have a problem with that. The inversion doesn't seem forced, perhaps because it is the first line of the stanza. I do feel that the line makes another purposeless statement. The lines that follow that opening line (which sets the tone for the stanza) do not make it clear why you tread from tyrannny to tyranny.

Just another example of the conflicting tone found throughout the poem. You have the inversion again in line 3 of this stanza "that that by birthright earned.", now contrast this with word "whatever" in line 5, and then the phrase "flips the bird" in the last line. These style contrasts confuse the reader.

The middle lines of this stanza are ok, they're still a bit too abstract, but I can figure out, without too much effort, what they are trying to say. The last line is too abstract again though, as you make use of the bird imagery again.

My tests, my mental state suffice and more;
My health disqualifies. Goodbye, says he,
And with one word my budding hope destroys.


This stanza is overly stylized (and thus, dramatic). I find the "suffice and more" and "my health disqualifies" phrases to be too stylized. It's as if you wanted to say something, but then thought about how you could say it so that it sounded poetic. The phrases don't fit in with the poem, especially not the last line. Remember, inversion is used mainly for three reasons: Rhythm, rhyme, and drama. Now, the rhythm is not clear enough in the poem to make the the inversion of the last line serve a rhythmic purpose, and there is no rhyme for you to worry about. Thus the inversion makes the last line very dramatic, and in this case, overly dramatic. You spend the whole poem clinically describing how you wish to enlist, and then in the last line you say that he "your budding hope destroys".

(If it had been another two years hence,
The flaw could just as well have been dismissed,
And I might stain the silica afar,
Another coffin added to the count,
Another tickmark given to the ticks
Who lust for power, seeking to replace
The swine that bathe, befouling it, today.)


"Hence" is too stylized again, especially when followed by the phrase "just as well", and the same can be said for "stain the silica". The imagery also becomes very abstract in this section "stain the silica", "tickmark given to the ticks", and "swine that bathe" are all examples of symbolism that I can grasp, but that are too personal for me to properly understand.


So, I know this was a lot to read, and it might seem very negative to you, but it's not. The poem wasn't bad. You just need to get used to freeform a bit more. Many of the mistakes you make are excusable in rhyming poetry, where the rhymes are sometimes more important than the things I pointed out. In freeform though you don't have rhymes to detract the attention, and thus each word becomes vitally important.

Now, the criticisms I raised against the poem aren't there so that you can fix this specific poem. Rather read the criticisms as general guidelines for you to write by, and try to avoid making the same mistakes in future. My two biggest tips for you would be:

1. Say what you want to say concisely, and make sure that everyone understands what you are trying to say.
2. Find a "voice" that you are comfortable with. This includes style, rhythm, diction etc. Find a way of writing a poem that is consistent throughout the poem.
3. Keep your poem on topic. Do not add unnecessary information to your poem. Once you've decided on a topic (and thus, what the poem will "say" to people) write the whole poem around saying that. Your poem must have a point (even if the poem is absurdist, and the point is to have no point).
4. Do not stop writing poetry! In the beginning I find writing many poems to be more useful than writing one "good" poem. Focus on writing multiple poems. Once you've written a poem, read through your poem and take out what you can be taken out, rewrite what must be rewritten, and keep the other hints in mind. You will find that you can improve quickly by studying your own poems, and constantly trying to improve them. Once you are happy with a poem (and you struggle to find any faults in it) ask for more outside criticism. People are always willing to find fault with a poem

Good luck, and I hope this helps!
Moderator
defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
October 30 2007 23:39 GMT
#8
That was very specific and helpful, thanks.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 1337
Ryung 957
RotterdaM 880
IndyStarCraft 164
ProTech76
BRAT_OK 65
EmSc Tv 24
MindelVK 10
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 47353
EffOrt 771
firebathero 539
actioN 435
BeSt 390
ZerO 305
Larva 291
Stork 244
Pusan 202
Rush 166
[ Show more ]
Last 126
Leta 119
Hyun 97
Mind 62
[sc1f]eonzerg 62
Sexy 42
sorry 32
JYJ 31
HiyA 25
sSak 22
Barracks 19
scan(afreeca) 17
Rock 12
Dota 2
Dendi12
LuMiX2
Counter-Strike
fl0m2789
byalli456
kRYSTAL_54
Other Games
singsing1846
B2W.Neo810
Happy367
Liquid`VortiX164
Hui .117
Mew2King89
QueenE41
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 668
Other Games
BasetradeTV136
StarCraft 2
CranKy Ducklings96
EmSc Tv 24
EmSc2Tv 24
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile113
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 11
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2080
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
4h 11m
Ladder Legends
6h 11m
RSL Revival
19h 11m
OSC
23h 11m
OSC
1d 10h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 21h
The Patches Monday
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.