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What are your ti5 invite lists? This has been a hectic year so far so its really hard to choose invited teams.
I think this year valve is going to do 8 invites and have 8 qualified teams.
1 NA invites 1 NA qual
2 EU invites 2 EU quals
3 CN invites 2 CN quals
1 CIS invite 1 CIS qual
1 SEA invite 1 SEA qual
1 wildcard from remaining teams
NA:
EG
+ 1 qual
EU:
C9
SECRET
+ 2 qual
CN:
iG
LGD
VG
+ 2 qual
CIS:
Empire
+ 1 qual
SEA:
Team Malaysia/Rave
+ 1 qual
+ 1 wildcard
There are some really amazing teams that I havent listed because I dont think they deserve invites for what they have accomplished so far.
Ehome
HR
NAVI
Alliance
Newbee (lol)
HGT
Tongfu
NIP
VP.P
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CIS and europe wont be separated and newbee will invited, rest i agree with
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- At this point I think Team MY will get the invite for SEA, but it might seem a bit unfair to rave.
- Not sure about VP.P being listed with the rest of the teams there.
- Ehome will probably take the CN qualifiers ez.
- TT for NA or EU qualifiers?
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I doubt valve will put TT in the NA qualifiers because then other teams will abuse location to their advantage. What if TT moved to singapore because the SEA scene is so weak?
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On April 17 2015 08:39 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I doubt valve will put TT in the NA qualifiers because then other teams will abuse location to their advantage. What if TT moved to singapore because the SEA scene is so weak?
Technically that's what happened with Zephyr.
But Zephyr were actually participating in a Korean league for a good half-year, and were actually physically required to be in Korea to do so.
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Zephyr also bombed out hilariously hard.
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Newbee as last year's TI champion will be invited, but I think they will end up at the bottom. Other than the expected invites, I think Empire and Rave deserve invites too, judging from how they have been playing compared to their respective regions.
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On April 17 2015 11:13 meegrean wrote:
Newbee as last year's TI champion will be invited, but I think they will end up at the bottom. Other than the expected invites, I think Empire and Rave deserve invites too, judging from how they have been playing compared to their respective regions.
I'm not 100% sure about Newbee being invited because they are last years champions. Personally, I think it's likely they will be invited, but let me lay out the reasons why I think it's not a 100% sure thing.
Maybe I missed it, but I don't think Valve has officially stated that last years champions are automatically invited. So this really just an assumption that is based on the fact that it "feels right" or because the previous champion has always been invited. When we look at the 3 previous champions (Na'vi, iG and Alliance) we see that they where still a top-tier team within their own regions when they received their invite. So if Valve wants a plausible reason for not inviting Newbee, they could claim that they've never invited the previous years champion because they won, they've always simply invited a strong team from that region who just so happened to have also won the year before. Valve has also stated quite strongly their philosophy of inviting players, not teams/organisations. So Newbee might be the organisation that fielded last years champions (and the largest number of the championship players) but they aren't fully "last year's TI champion" in terms of players. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Valve would consider inviting LGD(Xiao8)/VG(Hao) the equivalent of inviting Newbee, but I do think Valve could mention the changing of players as a plausible reason if they choose not to invite Newbee.
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On April 17 2015 13:26 syw651 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2015 11:13 meegrean wrote:
Newbee as last year's TI champion will be invited, but I think they will end up at the bottom. Other than the expected invites, I think Empire and Rave deserve invites too, judging from how they have been playing compared to their respective regions. I'm not 100% sure about Newbee being invited because they are last years champions. Personally, I think it's likely they will be invited, but let me lay out the reasons why I think it's not a 100% sure thing. Maybe I missed it, but I don't think Valve has officially stated that last years champions are automatically invited. So this really just an assumption that is based on the fact that it "feels right" or because the previous champion has always been invited. When we look at the 3 previous champions (Na'vi, iG and Alliance) we see that they where still a top-tier team within their own regions when they received their invite. So if Valve wants a plausible reason for not inviting Newbee, they could claim that they've never invited the previous years champion because they won, they've always simply invited a strong team from that region who just so happened to have also won the year before. Valve has also stated quite strongly their philosophy of inviting players, not teams/organisations. So Newbee might be the organisation that fielded last years champions (and the largest number of the championship players) but they aren't fully "last year's TI champion" in terms of players. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Valve would consider inviting LGD(Xiao8)/VG(Hao) the equivalent of inviting Newbee, but I do think Valve could mention the changing of players as a plausible reason if they choose not to invite Newbee.
I kind of agree, but don't the former champs usually hand the aegis to the new ones? Or am I completely full of shit....
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It's fun that we need two predictions; one for the invite format, one for the teams.
My crack:
EU+CIS: 4 invites. C9, Secret, Empire, Hellraisers
SEA: 2 invites. Rave, Team Malaysia
CN: 4 invites. iG, LGD, VG, Newbee
AM: 1 invite. EG
Qualifiers I think will be similar to last year; four regions, #1 gets in, #2 will play for the last spot.
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Too many teams, too little slots >:
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On April 17 2015 14:49 schmitty9800 wrote:
It's fun that we need two predictions; one for the invite format, one for the teams.
My crack:
EU+CIS: 4 invites. C9, Secret, Empire, Hellraisers
SEA: 2 invites. Rave, Team Malaysia
CN: 4 invites. iG, LGD, VG, Newbee
AM: 1 invite. EG
Qualifiers I think will be similar to last year; four regions, #1 gets in, #2 will play for the last spot.
no way sea gets 2 invites they get 1 invite if theyre lucky
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My heart says HR deserves an invite but my head says that they are just going to fall flat like at DAC
Also I want NIP to get invited but they are really inconsistent.
I feel like Valve needs to make an example out of newbee. You shouldnt be able to fuck around the entire year and still be auto invited to the most prestigious esports tournament in the world even if you were the previous winner. I think valve has said that they invite the X# of best teams in the world and there is no way newbee is one of those right now. They are looking better though so maybe by the time TI comes around they will regain their form. We have to realize that newbee still has some amazing players like rabbit and mu.
As for the format I wanted less invites and more qualified teams because the euro/cis qualifiers are going to be super cut throat this year and i dont want good teams to get screwed. We have teams like HR, NIP, Alliance, VPP, EED who all have a shot at top 8 TI5.
Invites are going to be within the next month and TT just moved to america. If they get an american invite that will be like a spit in the face of all those NA teams. I suppose you could argue that if you cant beat TT you dont deserve to be at the international but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think starcraft 2 has the same problem with koreans.
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They didnt fall flat in DAC tho... 9 wins in group stage. And no real shame in going out too VG in the playoffs when its ur first big LAN on another continent.
Then again, C9 and Secret havent really showed alott in 2015, they are ofc teams packed with stars, but I wonder what Valve make theier invites based on?
I almost feel like Secret or C9 needs to win Starladder to be secured.
I hope and think EU and China both have 3 invited and 3 qual teams, they most packed regions by far.
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On April 17 2015 20:13 Atoissen wrote:
They didnt fall flat in DAC tho... 9 wins in group stage. And no real shame in going out too VG in the playoffs when its ur first big LAN on another continent.
Then again, C9 and Secret havent really showed alott in 2015, they are ofc teams packed with stars, but I wonder what Valve make theier invites based on?
I almost feel like Secret or C9 needs to win Starladder to be secured.
I hope and think EU and China both have 3 invited and 3 qual teams, they most packed regions by far.
its not just 2015 that counts, its the whole period from the last international to now and in that they have top3 finishes in almost all tournaments where they participated. plus you dont need to be the best team to get a direct invite for the international, its enough to be among the 4 best teams (in europe) and there arent 4 other teams who placed higher than secret on a regular basis.
for c9 its even more clear because they have been second everywhere.
for some reason a lot of people have troubles noticing anything lower than a tournament win.
my guesses for TI invites:
NA (1 invite + 1 qual)
EG
EU (4 Invites + 1 qual)
c9
secret
empire
one out of: nip, navi, vp
i think empire punched their ticket with the second place in MAJ and first place in MLG, they are also still in the esl one qualifier and will attend at starladder
China (4 invites + 1 qual + newbee unfortunately)
VG
IG
LGD
+1
SEA (1 invite + 1 qual)
Rave or MVP
i would favour Rave, but its really close between those two.
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On April 17 2015 20:13 Atoissen wrote:
They didnt fall flat in DAC tho... 9 wins in group stage. And no real shame in going out too VG in the playoffs when its ur first big LAN on another continent.
Then again, C9 and Secret havent really showed alott in 2015, they are ofc teams packed with stars, but I wonder what Valve make theier invites based on?
I almost feel like Secret or C9 needs to win Starladder to be secured.
I hope and think EU and China both have 3 invited and 3 qual teams, they most packed regions by far.
The biggest event of 2015 was DAC where Secret was 3rd and c9 was 5th-6th. They were the best western teams behind EG. Both teams qualified to the Summit over all other European teams. Both teams qualified for Starladder, whereas teams like Asus Polar, Empire, NiP, HR and NaVi didn't.
Of course some events like Redbull, Dotapit, ESL quals (for c9) are still ongoing, but both teams have shown superior performance to all competing European teams in DAC, Summit and SL already. In addition both teams have players who had extremely strong results even before the lineup shuffles, so I feel their invites should be guaranteed.
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On April 17 2015 08:39 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I doubt valve will put TT in the NA qualifiers because then other teams will abuse location to their advantage. What if TT moved to singapore because the SEA scene is so weak?
But there are exactly as many reasons to put TT in NA as in EU. TT has two players based in NA this past year, two players based in EU, and 1 EU citizen living in NA, returning from China.
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I want to bring in Gosugamers ranking as it has been said that Valve looks at that as well:
Current Global Ranking, top 10 should get an invite with some possible exceptions:
1
Team Secret
2
ViCi Gaming
3
Cloud9
4
Evil Geniuses DotA2
5
Invictus Gaming
6
LGD
7
Team Empire DotA2
8
Alliance <------- This one is tricky, might be given to Newbee or an EU
9
MY (ex-EHOME.my) <---- or Rave
10
Hellraisers <--- this could go to VP Polar or Navi...
4 CN + 2 EU + 2 CIS + 1 SEA + 1 NA
= 10 invites
Qualifiers:
+ 2 EU (12) <--Alliance, NIP, NaVi, VPporlar or burden
+ 2 CN (14) <--HGT, CEDEC, Tongfu
+ 1 NA (15) <--Tinker (fav), Summoner's rift or NotToday
+ 1 SEA(16) <--Rave, MVPphx or MY
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And i have to mention that starladder wont matter for invites unless London conspirancy pulls a miracle and wins the whole thing... hmmm except Tinker, if they win it which is a lot more possible things could change too... Honesly who would take the NA invite if tinker is not there?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Star_Ladder_Star_Series/Season_12
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