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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 14 2015 16:30 GMT
#21
My only comment is that for the first time in it's history, dota's getting 2nd relevant tournament in DAC.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-14 16:54:36
January 14 2015 16:53 GMT
#22
pretty sure dota will suck if valve continues ti the way it is right now

there should be 4 majors and a ti at the end of the dota year
u could qualify through doing well in those majors
and then have another qualifier for ti
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bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
January 14 2015 17:01 GMT
#23
Pretty clear this is down to the explosive growth of the International prize pool, though. There is really good money to be won in multiple tournaments now. And most of this comes from the playerbase anyway, so we pay for what we like. Captain's Draft, for example, had a huge prize pool. The distribution is so extreme because the fans love the International.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
January 14 2015 18:40 GMT
#24
More DACs please
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3334 Posts
January 14 2015 19:03 GMT
#25
I agree it'd be really cool if Valve could hold mini tournaments like a circuit but that'd be interesting and I don't know how well it could be implemented~ Any implementation and people are likely to riot
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
January 14 2015 19:51 GMT
#26
Aside from Valve deciding to break apart TI into smaller bits, this is a solutionless problem. To be honest though, while the OP makes it very clear dota 2 is indeed a one tournament sport, it's not very clear to me why that's a problem.

Financially other tournaments don't matter compared to TI, but how is that a problem? From the viewers point of view, only two things matter in a tournament, hype and game quality (including production value). Production value and hype could be bigger if these tournaments were bigger, but I'm not convinced there would be too big of a change. Hype depends much more on getting the rights teams to play and there not being too many tournaments in the same time frame. Game quality might be better if tournaments were bigger as well, but are teams really goofing off just because TI is far away? Big teams need to guarantee themselves in TI, and small teams need to fight themselves into it.

Also, why is one team kicking players out and another being formed to compete in a tournament considered "deplorable" behaviour?
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Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
January 14 2015 20:31 GMT
#27
I like the one tournament that matters and top-heaviness of it's prize pool. It makes things matter and drives team dynamics over the year.

World Cup wouldn't be that coveted if it happened once a year, and neither would a quarterly mini International.
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pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
January 14 2015 21:18 GMT
#28
On January 15 2015 01:53 teddyoojo wrote:
pretty sure dota will suck if valve continues ti the way it is right now

there should be 4 majors and a ti at the end of the dota year
u could qualify through doing well in those majors
and then have another qualifier for ti

what valve could do since they probably don't want to spend organizing 5 tournaments for year:

make organization like SLTV, MLG, WEC/WPA/DAC, etc turn into major, even thought this would be a lot of trouble still

but they made something similar to CSGO, so it could happens, but I don't think it will
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
January 14 2015 21:48 GMT
#29
On January 15 2015 05:31 Kittan wrote:
I like the one tournament that matters and top-heaviness of it's prize pool. It makes things matter and drives team dynamics over the year.

World Cup wouldn't be that coveted if it happened once a year, and neither would a quarterly mini International.


One huge tournament is probably fine but the top-heavy prize pool is not.

1. In the qualifying bracket for top8, one game is the difference between 9th place with $50k versus guaranteed at least 7th with $500k. That's a bigger difference than any elimination game before Loser's Finals. And aside from how unfair that feels intuitively, there's also no hype for that match because it's played off of the main stage.

2. Would providing a slightly flatter distribution of the prize pool really make "things not matter"? Is anyone really going to say "Oh 1st place is 4.5 million instead of 5 million I'm not going to try too hard anymore"?

3. The World Cup isn't the primary compensation for players. Their lives are not revolved around winning the World Cup and the high variability of it doesn't make/break their career.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 14 2015 22:44 GMT
#30
These are parallel universe unapproved graphs that I understood

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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 15 2015 00:03 GMT
#31
Wow... I guess I'm not Liquid subculture enough to get what paralleluniverse is all about.
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Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
January 15 2015 00:07 GMT
#32
On January 15 2015 09:03 TanGeng wrote:
Wow... I guess I'm not Liquid subculture enough to get what paralleluniverse is all about.

Neither are 95% of TL / LD ))):
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-15 00:10:32
January 15 2015 00:08 GMT
#33
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/454436-general-discussion?page=537#10721

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/closed-threads/465001-near-impossible-reduce-skill-in-competitive-games
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 15 2015 00:23 GMT
#34
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
January 15 2015 04:12 GMT
#35
ok I remember kupon's graphs
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
January 15 2015 06:12 GMT
#36
This is why DAC is great!
:)
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
January 15 2015 07:17 GMT
#37
I have a reflex-aversion of forcibly chopping up the would-be TI prize-pool pie to distribute to other 3rd party tournaments, ala CS:GO. Mostly because I like the idea of TI being a singular event-entity, hosted by Valve and not an outside organisation with its own propriety interests at heart, whilst in a otherwise-open 3rd-party dominated competitive circuit.

P.S. There is nothing deplorable about player changes; like forreals, what's deplorable about Newbee??? And there's certainly nothing to indicate that such happenings are born wholly out of DotA's competitive circuit structure. (see: League's off-season. Shady people gonna be shady)
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
January 15 2015 19:08 GMT
#38
Clearly esports must follow the annual gameplan of traditional sports.
Meaning, have different tiers of leagues which have teams play each other twice, over a span of 7-8 months.
The team with most points in the end of the season becomes the league champions! High seeded teams get promoted to higher leagues, bottom seeded teams relegate.
League games happen once a week.

Then have a cup like in football in which all team's can participate, from all leagues. This is a single elimination format.

Then have a Nations/Regions big tournament lets say every second summer.
Like Mym Prime Nations many years ago.

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 15 2015 19:12 GMT
#39
that sounds like LCS
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
January 15 2015 19:16 GMT
#40
What's that.
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