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The idea of a TL.net League

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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 09:15:37
October 20 2014 19:36 GMT
#1
Based on this (check this thread, too!!!!) I had the idea of creating a TL.net driven league.

My idea is basically the following:

Format:
Round Robin, Bo3. 4 Seasons played. Top 4 from each round qualify for a 16 man playoff bracket (double elimination, Bo3 until semifinals, then Bo5).

Schedule:
For each match, players have two weeks of time. They can choose the exact match time freely, it has to be consensual though.

League differentiation:
Division 1: Bronze to Platinum
Division 2: Diamond to Grandmasters (I'm looking at you, Scarlett).

Servers:
The match is being played on the weaker player's server.
+ Show Spoiler [Why and how?] +
Because there's lag which causes a disadvantage to the player. Out of sportsmanship, the better player should suffer under this. Determining the weaker player is something that can't be done easily. Thus I'm still thinking about possible regulations regarding this topic. Possible solutions are:
  • Ladder rank
  • TL.net league (weakness: what to do with a tie?)
  • ??



Rules:
  • race switches allowed if opponent agrees
  • no smurfing allowed.
  • no cheating allowed (well, obviously).
  • random allowed
  • ??
  • ??


Esports dollars
Maybe lol


As for a name, I'd say "TSL" for nostalgic reason: Teamliquid StarCraft League. Would be a hommage to Starleague, GSL, Teamliquid, Starcraft and the Game itself.

To organize brackets, liquipedia would be a great thing. That might a) push people to use liquipedia and b) provide a tl.net driven/hosted information base.

Depending on participation numbers, I'd put a limit of ~100-500 posts before a participation is possible. That would also resolve the for sure upcoming problem of masters account smurfing.

Also, ladder rounds with some funsies included (i.e. in round xx, usage of old map pool/strange maps) and trying to get mapmakers featured (e.g. Best Month's Map as voted by mapmaker community gets included to the pool for the range of that month (which would be 2 maps for each player at least).

I'm currently using this blog as an inspiration and noteblock at the same time, so expect edits.

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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
October 20 2014 19:41 GMT
#2
i don't think there's a lot of active posters who actually play the game regularly now :<
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Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
October 20 2014 19:43 GMT
#3
Well I could always install the game again and pull out my beta diamond strats
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 20 2014 19:46 GMT
#4
Just like for xtorn's idea, this would be pretty nice and probably popular too. Also thank you for thinking to community maps <3
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
October 20 2014 20:02 GMT
#5
Interesting idea!

I think the hardest part is to organize the times for the games. Personally I could see myself participating in something like this if there is not too much of a fixed time - so no date/hour or you lose type of thing - when a match has to be played.
Clubfan
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Germany913 Posts
October 20 2014 20:33 GMT
#6
If it's on EU -friendly times, count me in. Playing with people from TeamLiquid.net/Liquopedia is always a lot of fun \Ü/
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 21:18:55
October 20 2014 21:18 GMT
#7
Well if i can smash you again (no i have no memory problem) i'm in !

Btw ? Are you still plat with 90% WR ?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 21:19:37
October 20 2014 21:19 GMT
#8
TSL already exists D:

As both a former team and a tournament
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 21:21:22
October 20 2014 21:20 GMT
#9
Regarding the times, I'd say it would be up to the two players to match in a time. They have 2 weeks time to set it up, so that should be sufficient?

On October 21 2014 06:18 FFW_Rude wrote:
Well if i can smash you again (no i have no memory problem) i'm in !

Btw ? Are you still plat with 90% WR ?


Yes. MMR decay kicking in again, no time to play lately.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 20 2014 21:23 GMT
#10
On October 21 2014 06:20 boxerfred wrote:
Regarding the times, I'd say it would be up to the two players to match in a time. They have 2 weeks time to set it up, so that should be sufficient?

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2014 06:18 FFW_Rude wrote:
Well if i can smash you again (no i have no memory problem) i'm in !

Btw ? Are you still plat with 90% WR ?


Yes. MMR decay kicking in again, no time to play lately.


Yeah me too. I'm accumulating points and play plat players again (or maybe that's because i'mm bad :p)

Well a TL.net league would be fun for me and i definitly would play in
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 20 2014 21:23 GMT
#11
Sounds awesome
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Striker.superfreunde
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 21:55:36
October 20 2014 21:34 GMT
#12
I´ve played a season of a Fifa 10 inhouse league in a different forum, and it was a lot of fun. I have no clue about soccer, and not really interested in following football. What me kept playing was the first; the game mechnics and skill based competition and second; the league format.

The soccer league format is perfectly designed for inhouse plays.
Please consider this idea, i can imagine that it would work for starcraft too!

Just in case
Only an example
  • 18 players in one league/division
  • A fix number of playdays
  • Each playday represents one week (the exact date can be determined by the players themself)
  • Within 1 week every player should have played his game
  • Every win counts as points
  • Within a season, everybody should have played against everybody twice!
  • At the end of a season, top 8 players will face the playoff phase.


This isn`t exactly thought trough, but it could work
The motivation to play benefits through this system a lot. Even if you lose, you are still in the competition. Doing yours homework can really pay off.
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cheesfactory
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15 Posts
October 20 2014 23:02 GMT
#13
This sounds super cool, I'd be interested!


If you had a post count requirement I might have to stop lurking though
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
October 20 2014 23:16 GMT
#14
On October 21 2014 05:02 Big J wrote:
Interesting idea!

I think the hardest part is to organize the times for the games. Personally I could see myself participating in something like this if there is not too much of a fixed time - so no date/hour or you lose type of thing - when a match has to be played.
100% this

id like to be involved in something like this but i absolutely cannot play anything that has fixed times and doesn't allow players a set timeframe to communicate and complete their games
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LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
October 20 2014 23:28 GMT
#15
I'd be interested as well !
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 20 2014 23:37 GMT
#16
Alritey. I'll be setting it up. Hopefully it turns out to be great.
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-20 23:55:20
October 20 2014 23:51 GMT
#17
sounds very cool. i'm game.
would be awesome if there's still a mapmakers left on tl who could hook us up with some cool new maps for the league.
i remember the korean weekly used to be so badass cuz they used all these sweet maps.
also the motm cups were supa sweet.

maybe try to get a tl-superstar (taeja plz) to face off against the winner of the league.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
October 21 2014 01:22 GMT
#18
I'd love to play in the plat and below league!
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 21 2014 06:27 GMT
#19
i love playing in TL leagues but my timezone often restricts my participation
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
October 21 2014 07:42 GMT
#20
I'd definitely play in this!
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 21 2014 09:03 GMT
#21
On October 21 2014 15:27 lichter wrote:
i love playing in TL leagues but my timezone often restricts my participation

That's the idea of the "2 weeks time for a match".

Basically, I want to do a round robin format. For 1 match, players get 2 weeks of time to meet to play on a schedule that they choose. Only requirement is to play that within the two weeks. If the match is not played in time, a draw is forced, or, if it is clearly one player's fault, that player gets an auto-loss.

xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 12:28:04
October 21 2014 12:16 GMT
#22
Hey, just saw this . Let's join forces and write down all ideas and feedback that we got so far and make this tournament happen. There were solid questions asked in the other thread too so we can start finding some common solutions.

I'm currently at work but I can write more on it tonight

Life - forever the Legend in my heart
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 21 2014 12:39 GMT
#23
On October 21 2014 08:51 nunez wrote:
sounds very cool. i'm game.
would be awesome if there's still a mapmakers left on tl who could hook us up with some cool new maps for the league.
i remember the korean weekly used to be so badass cuz they used all these sweet maps.
also the motm cups were supa sweet.

maybe try to get a tl-superstar (taeja plz) to face off against the winner of the league.

I'm in
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
October 21 2014 13:06 GMT
#24
you already (probably) get to play vs scarlett you greedy sonofabitch
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 21 2014 13:43 GMT
#25
I personally like the idea of clan wars within TL. I think TLStrat discussed that at some point
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 21 2014 13:55 GMT
#26
On October 21 2014 22:43 Darkhorse wrote:
I personally like the idea of clan wars within TL. I think TLStrat discussed that at some point


Yep, SC2John wrote me a PM already! Hopefully we can join forces and realize the thing.

On October 21 2014 21:16 xtorn wrote:
Hey, just saw this . Let's join forces and write down all ideas and feedback that we got so far and make this tournament happen. There were solid questions asked in the other thread too so we can start finding some common solutions.

I'm currently at work but I can write more on it tonight



Go for it!

SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
October 21 2014 14:24 GMT
#27
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SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
October 21 2014 16:04 GMT
#28
I would love to play in something like this!!
unfortunately my noob diamond terren skillz probably will get wrecked XD
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 21 2014 16:42 GMT
#29
On October 21 2014 23:24 SatedSC2 wrote:
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On October 21 2014 22:43 Darkhorse wrote:
I personally like the idea of clan wars within TL. I think TLStrat discussed that at some point

Didn't this already happen..?

I like OP's idea.

I dunno maybe. I'm so out of touch with just about everything TL so god damn busy
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
October 21 2014 16:51 GMT
#30
Shall we do it NBA style? Top4 EU vs NA grand finals and until then all matches in eu vs eu etc
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
October 21 2014 20:18 GMT
#31
Hey

So I've compared this thread to the one i made, and since we pretty much suggest a very similar thing, an admin should probably merge them. I mostly wrote there about the big picture, whereas you went into some details from an organising pov. So if we join all the feedback this is what we get as result:

  • TL bi-monthly League

  • two divisions:

    TL Elite (Diamond - Grandmaster)
    TL Fighter (Bronze - Platinum)

  • Prize - $$ split between grand final winners of the two divisions

  • Minimum of 100 posts on TL is prerequisite for participation

  • Map Pool chosen by community with a poll before registration begins

  • Maintained on Liquipedia (either an admin, or everyone would contribute)

  • those who participate at least once get an icon next to their team icon, so that whenever they post, it's visible if they participated, and in which of the two divisions they were. The icons would be 2, one for each division, made by someone within or outside TL staff. This i find a really cool idea, as the user signature will add information about your sc2 skills

  • Match specific rules:
    • race switches allowed if opponent agrees
    • no smurfing allowed.
    • no cheating allowed (well, obviously).
    • random allowed
    • The match is being played on the weaker player's server.
    • For each match, players have two weeks of time. They can choose the exact match time freely
    • Format -
      - Round Robin, Bo3. 4 Seasons played. Top 4 from each round qualify for a 16 man playoff bracket (double
      elimination, Bo3 until semifinals, then Bo5). But round robin can prove very hard to manage and extremely tiring for most players, if you have a lot of registrations (and you would have a lot of dead time waiting for matches with this format), so maybe like this format:

      - Elimination: After the registration closes, and brackets are set, players will see brackets and have 10 days where they themselves contact their opponents, agree on a playing date, timezone etc, and play the game. They will then send the replays to the organiser as proof, and state the winner. After the 10 days, the admin collects results and updates brackets (those who registered and didnt play within the timeframe are disqualified), and the process is repeated (with a smaller timeframe) until reaching quarterfinals, and from there up to grand final the games will be cast on twitch.




Other notes:
- maybe try to get a tl-superstar (taeja plz) to face off against the winner of the league.

-> potentially very expensive, a progamer will require a very significant fee, especially a top korean

On October 21 2014 10:31 lichter wrote:
the main problems will be:

- scheduling matches (since people have real lives)
- ensuring people play their matches on time
- proper and accurate reporting
- avoiding byes and forfeits


the elimination system i recommended above fixes first 3 problems up until the quarterfinals, and then its easier to manage and cast the games, due to fewer matches. About forfeits - well those who forfeit due to personal reasons, then the opponent qualifies further
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immure
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2 Posts
October 22 2014 02:44 GMT
#32
I would be interested as well.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 22 2014 16:07 GMT
#33
Sooooo I'll try to get in contact with everyone who's interested in organizing. Thanks for the support and ideas, especially to xtorn!
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
October 22 2014 22:56 GMT
#34
Iono can you account for the skill difference between diamond and master (gm)
I'm a diamond player and I myself know I have no chance of beating a mediocre level master player.
I know it's not really possible to do this, but keep in mind that there is a large skill disparity.
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