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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
A list of significantly good amateur terran players that comes to my mind: Androide, Arch, Artosis, Brat_ok, China_TTTT, hellghost, Enjoy, Lamerr, Odin, Beast, Yosh, Advokate, Strelok, sVEN, Super, NTT, Ex, Whear, CQ-2000, SuKeR, Froz, Maynard Perhaps I could add some input on these guys. Enjoy, Odin, Arch, SuKeR were really good and talented terran players but for not considerable amount of time imo. ChinaTTT and Super are terrans i am not too familiar with and due to no significant WCG performances (that I know of) and not many, if at all, opportunities to play with on battle.net, cannot be in my top 3. All I remember back in I-don't know-which-year is that the top china terran was CQ-2000 and he was the shit. Perhaps MTY is a good mention too. sVEN, NTT, Whear, froz, Maynard too oldschool for me to judge. All I know is that they were sick good but not too sure how they compare to the others in the list and for how long they played actively/seriously. The most dominant foreigner amateur terran players over a significant period of time (judging by WCG performances (it's all we had back then) and skill level), imo, were Slavic terrans. Whether it be russians, bulgarians or ukrainians, if I had to construct a top 3 it will be surely purely slavic terrans. My single doubt for a player that is not a slavic and might be a really good fit for the top 3 is hellGhost. HG was retardedly fearsome T. So, my top 3 goes like this : 1. Androide 2. Advokate 3. Beast 4. HellGhost/Strelok/Lamerr From Eastern Europe obv ^.^ | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
Maynard was pro gamer in korea.... As everyone mentionned androide was pretty good but basically the best T's are the ones who went to korea, precisely because they were better than others ? | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
On June 15 2014 21:34 Boonbag wrote: foreign T's all sucked against zerg no | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
wait what ? arguably the last best tvzer was ret, but that's all i see there's not anyone on your list that comes anything remotely close to courage level and you say they didnt suck against z? i mean it's not like its the hardest MU ever ! | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
similarly, it could be said/argued that all foreigners suck in all mus against koreans with slight exceptions at different times but for not a significant period of time such as ret, Draco, NonY, Androide, Testie etc., if we compare top amateur players to koreans and koreans only dunno what courage level exactly is though... at different times different participants are playing and a significant amount of luck is needed to win one i believe (by a foreigner that is) | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On June 15 2014 22:38 LRM)TechnicS wrote: i believe we are talking foreigner level terrans here it could be said/argued that all foreigners suck in all mus against koreans with slight exceptions at different times but for not a significant period of time such as ret, Draco, NonY, Androide, Testie etc. dunno what courage level exactly is though... at different times different participants are playing and a significant amount of luck is needed to win one i believe (by a foreigner that is) they use to talk about courage luck not only for foreigners, i guess it was just the format coupled with its importance i disagree in saying that all mus were bad for foreigners against koreans TvT / PvT / TvP / ZvP you had pretty decent foreign players i think ZvT / TvZ / PvZ / ZvZ imo are / were much harder / problematic but ret knows all that better and could tell us best or incontrol, as he use to dominate jaedong so ez | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
I am not sure how much easily available data we have though. are we talking tournament results or practice game performance or both? 'foreign T's all sucked against zerg' is as broad of a generalisation as it can get. It certainly isn't the best starter for a valueable and purposeful discussion, as I am left guessing what exactly does that mean, but it gives a good reason for me to share some memories. I am not certain what aggregates of players we are comparing and at which times and under what circumstances. it's one thing talking KBK times, another 2003 b.net games, another PGTour/WCG games etc. my memories involve ret performing astonishingly well in his last Courage attempt from what I remember in what was a zvz fest of a Courage for him. Draco, NonY were pretty close to winning one from what i recall. Draco had amazingly good PvT and I remember his manly tears after losing a bitter 1-2 to oov on WCG 2006 but I don't imagine that his PvP and PvZ were significantly worse. Androide had sick TvT, even compared to top koreans for about a year perhaps. Advokate executed some really nice build orders/strategies. I've had a discussion with Beast where he confessed to me that even if he didn't make some silly mistakes against Xellos on WCG 2004 semis, he wouldn't had a chance to win because they were that much better. Beast was at his peak of performance back then I believe. perhaps ret is not our best source if we are to compare top foreigners vs top koreans players. On top of my head Testie, Mondragon and Androide are better for that matter, maybe some others too. They played with the koreans on US west for many years from what i recall and Testie had consistent sweet wins over gosu koreans on various WCG grand finals | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
androide / mondragon / testie are pretty old nony / ret more recent | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
As for the poll, I guess you'll get mostly eastern European terrans. There were some older terrans that were good, but they were active at a time when people played worse, so it was easier to be at the top... | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
it's just that 'foreign T's all sucked against zerg' is the very least a thoughtless assumption this assumption and the following responses involve too much broad generalizations for me. I am not really sure what you are trying to say and it requires me to keep guessing too much | ||
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Bisutopia19295 Posts
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Russian Federation3209 Posts
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Italy2498 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1598 Posts
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2608 Posts
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United States3931 Posts
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castleeMg
Canada777 Posts
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Germany2608 Posts
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