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SC2 Notes: Rain's 2-gate FE PvP

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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-18 21:43:18
August 16 2013 00:21 GMT
#1
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This was a sweet build by Rain in his match against Dear during the Proleague Playoffs (VoD here). Even though he actually lost the match, the build itself is incredibly safe and incredibly strong, and Dear only just BARELY survived twice in a row.

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Rain vs. Dear

9 pylon
**Chronoboost x3 on nexus**
13 gate
15 double gas
**3 in each gas**
17 pylon
18 core
20 gate
21 warpgate
23 sentry
25 MsC (Chronoboost)
25 pylon
28 stalker
31 stalker
31 pylon
35 sentry
37 sentry
38 nexus
@6:00 send hallucination scout
38 robo
40 stalker
42 stalker
42 gate

@7:30 -> nexus finishes, move out
@8:30 3-gate pressure (3 sentries/5 stalkers/8 zealots)
MsC stays at home with observer
Immortal/chargelot/archon followup
@14:00 followup immortal/chargelot/archon push


The sentry first followed by double stalker makes Rain safe from practically ALL threats to the point where he doesn't even need to scout until 6:00 (refer to my previous blog post here). While this expansion comes quite late, it comes with a cool window of opportunity, which is a POWERFUL 3-gate aggression that comes at 8:30 and is meant to punish other early expands. The reason the push works is because Rain gets a total of 10 gateway units out (3 sentries/5 stalkers/2 zealots) of his initial 2 gates before even moving out @7:30. The MsC (with an obs) stays home during this attack to deflect any kind of zealot/DT runbys and because you're only on 3 gates, you can afford to continually make probes during the the attack. When I saw this, my jaw dropped (and of course, dropped even further when Dear managed to miraculously defend it). I think this build is super super cool and definitely worth copying into anyone's repertoire of builds.

It's freaking cool! Rain's the man!

Sidenote: the followup 14:00 immortal/chargelot/archon push was in response to Dear taking an early 3rd with colossus and not necessarily part of the build. Again, Dear only BARELY survived this push; it hit with 3 immortals/2 archons/tons of zealots and hit from 2 sides, which would surely kill any lesser player.


EDIT: Puzzle (VoD here)and Myungsik (VoD here) also used variations on this build in the semifinals of Proleague, worth studying!



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Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
August 16 2013 02:14 GMT
#2
Thanks! Will definitely try this out!
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
August 16 2013 02:54 GMT
#3
Shouldn't you be posting this in the Protoss Help Me Thread, dude? To help out the Brotoss? Blog traffic is comparatively low.
KT best KT ~ 2014
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
August 16 2013 03:36 GMT
#4
On August 16 2013 11:54 aZealot wrote:
Shouldn't you be posting this in the Protoss Help Me Thread, dude? To help out the Brotoss? Blog traffic is comparatively low.


I'm just posting some of my notes, I don't care particularly if a lot of people see them. I might post a guide to this build in the strategy section after I play with it some more (at the moment, it's just like "oh, look, Rain did a cool build, I think it's good").
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Shebuha
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1335 Posts
August 16 2013 07:42 GMT
#5
I'm alls hella gonna try this. I really hate the shit out of the standard 1 gate sentry expand build even though it's really good, and this looks like a good alternative. Thanks, yo.
[KGS]Slacker
Profile Joined November 2009
Denmark82 Posts
August 18 2013 19:18 GMT
#6
Thanks for the post! Definitely trying this out .
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
August 18 2013 21:44 GMT
#7
Not to everyone: Puzzle and Myungsik also used variations on this build in the semifinals of Proleague, worth studying!

They don't transition as well as Rain's though, but the follow most of the same principles and get almost the same exact stuff, just in different orders.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
August 19 2013 14:05 GMT
#8
I've tried this opening only twice and I'm already in love with it. SAFE is the key word here... fuck all the "PvP = coinflip" commonplaces. Rain's build orders are always so neat, I don't know how I would play without him.
Nyast
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium554 Posts
August 27 2013 11:37 GMT
#9
I like how he sends his hallicunation right before the robo finishes, to know if he should go for an obs or an immortal first

TheMaXiM
Profile Joined May 2012
United States43 Posts
September 13 2013 20:12 GMT
#10
This isn't "rain's all original amazing 2 gate build" this has been done since mid Wings of Liberty. It just has a momma core now..
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
September 14 2013 05:46 GMT
#11
On September 14 2013 05:12 TheMaXiM wrote:
This isn't "rain's all original amazing 2 gate build" this has been done since mid Wings of Liberty. It just has a momma core now..


To be fair, many players have used it besides Rain and he's certainly not the first to use it. However, this particular build was taken from a Rain game and specifically hinges on the unique 3-gate timing that Rain does while expanding (which IS uncommon). This build, because of the MsC, is completely different from its WoL counterpart; the options opened up to you by using the MsC to defend counterattacks or put on aggression or hold pushes is extremely varied compared to anything you could do in WoL.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
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