• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:30
CEST 18:30
KST 01:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo14Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted J188 – Nhà Cái Cá Cược Trực Tuyến Đẳng Cấp Châu Á Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes?
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL CK #4 20-21th June Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Battle cruiser feet vs Carrier fleet BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Fact based Zerg Upgrade Tier List vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia {D-2} Late to making 20.06.2026 memorable [p]94718
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7554 users

[Guitar] Overcoming Plateaus - Page 2

Blogs > Meow-Meow
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
August 06 2013 17:54 GMT
#21
Open tunings.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 08:59 GMT
#22
On August 07 2013 00:51 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 14:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 05 2013 20:00 pebble444 wrote:
Two small examples here:
Jimi Hendrix didn' t know much about music theory. He is however one of the greatest guitar players (personally i' m not mad about him, but i recognize his greatness). How did he get there? by grinding it out doing his own stuff. Stuff he liked.

Why do people always say bullshit like this?

Miles Davis taught Jimi Hendrix jazz theory, he talks about it in his autobiography.

All theory is is a codification of what is pleasing to the ear, and why.

You can easily write great music that conforms to theoretical structures, without knowing the theory itself.

So stop saying bullshit like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know much about music theory" when it's more like "Jimi Hendrix knew more music theory than 99.9999999999% of the people on the planet, he just didn't know what other people called it."



Then he's an exception. Most musicians know jack shit about the theory of what they're playing. And in fact, more music theory does not mean you will write better music, and suggesting that knowing more theory will improve your music is a logical fallacy. While I agree that knowing theory is good and can help when used in the right instances, I would not suggest that theory helps regardless, nor do I suggest that one must study theory to be good or be better at playing music.

I personally know a lot of theory, but experimenting with chords and understanding the theory behind what you're doing is simply one way to get better. There a ton of others. If you just play and write, you will get better. Progress is not linear in that there are always several paths to take.

Of course he's the fucking exception, he's Jimi Hendrix. That's exactly why you shouldn't say stuff like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know any theory, but he's a great guitarist" implying that you don't have to know any theory to be a good guitar player.

Jesus Christ you're trying to tell me that "learning theory will improve your music playing if you are at a plateau" is a logical fallacy? Come on.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 10:04:38
August 09 2013 09:53 GMT
#23
On August 09 2013 17:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 00:51 hoby2000 wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 05 2013 20:00 pebble444 wrote:
Two small examples here:
Jimi Hendrix didn' t know much about music theory. He is however one of the greatest guitar players (personally i' m not mad about him, but i recognize his greatness). How did he get there? by grinding it out doing his own stuff. Stuff he liked.

Why do people always say bullshit like this?

Miles Davis taught Jimi Hendrix jazz theory, he talks about it in his autobiography.

All theory is is a codification of what is pleasing to the ear, and why.

You can easily write great music that conforms to theoretical structures, without knowing the theory itself.

So stop saying bullshit like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know much about music theory" when it's more like "Jimi Hendrix knew more music theory than 99.9999999999% of the people on the planet, he just didn't know what other people called it."



Then he's an exception. Most musicians know jack shit about the theory of what they're playing. And in fact, more music theory does not mean you will write better music, and suggesting that knowing more theory will improve your music is a logical fallacy. While I agree that knowing theory is good and can help when used in the right instances, I would not suggest that theory helps regardless, nor do I suggest that one must study theory to be good or be better at playing music.

I personally know a lot of theory, but experimenting with chords and understanding the theory behind what you're doing is simply one way to get better. There a ton of others. If you just play and write, you will get better. Progress is not linear in that there are always several paths to take.

Of course he's the fucking exception, he's Jimi Hendrix. That's exactly why you shouldn't say stuff like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know any theory, but he's a great guitarist" implying that you don't have to know any theory to be a good guitar player.

Jesus Christ you're trying to tell me that "learning theory will improve your music playing if you are at a plateau" is a logical fallacy? Come on.


If you word it like that it is though, the correct wording would be "learning theory MIGHT improve your music playing if you are at a plateau". Music != Theory, and especially a lot of the artists you find in almost any popular genre nowadays grew up without learning theory at all and many of them still don't know any theory even after selling millions of records. Just because someone's name is Jimi Hendrix doesn't mean he's that godlike figure who isn't human, he had to learn to get behind all of the music he created just like you and I would have to learn the music. He just had that much better of a feeling, passion and imagination for it and that's why his music is so amazing.

There is no direct correlation between knowing theory and being able to express yourself through music. Theory might help to explore new possibilities to express yourself, if you are ready for it. But if you already have problems to have the right feeling for making music I think theory can be a false friend more often than not, it pushes you into this corner of fixed ideas and how music is "supposed" to be. And that's not a nice corner to be in.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 13:06 GMT
#24
What the fuck are you talking about?

The logical fallacy is that you guys think music theory restricts you. How the fuck can knowledge restrict you? The only thing that is restricting you is your own biases and self-imposed limitations.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 13:08 GMT
#25
Seriously, you're telling me "if you learn more about music it will make it harder for you to express yourself through music" with a straight face and calling me out on a logical fallacy?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 14:14:21
August 09 2013 14:03 GMT
#26
It CAN (not will) make it harder to express yourself, if you don't get in what way the theory is supposed to help you expressing yourself. You even say it yourself, your own biases and self-imposed limitations can hinder you to learn from theory. So it can be a better choice to learn music in a different way if theory is not for you. Biases and self-imposed limitations are usually way harder to overcome than anything else, that's why we have them, and many people have problems transferring abstract theory into practical uses. Not just in music, but also in math, physics, literature and many other fields.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 21:39 GMT
#27
Basically I'm just dumbfounded that so many people can say stuff like "music theory limits you" when by definition music theory is just understanding why things sound the way they do.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 21:40 GMT
#28
I mean perhaps I had the best teacher of all time or something but two months of jazz theory with practice improved my playing more than anything else I've ever done.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
IPSL
16:00
Ro8 M3
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Liquipedia
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
15:55
FSL TeamLeague: PTB vs ASH
Freeedom12
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 706
BRAT_OK 53
MindelVK 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 39402
Mini 2197
Horang2 733
Zeus 396
ggaemo 301
actioN 284
firebathero 191
Leta 159
Mong 93
Hyun 83
[ Show more ]
Movie 75
Barracks 62
Pusan 51
scan(afreeca) 31
910 27
ToSsGirL 24
JYJ 21
Rock 17
Shine 15
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Dota 2
qojqva1774
420jenkins340
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv7581
fl0m5709
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor415
Other Games
singsing2881
B2W.Neo947
Mlord797
Lowko491
byalli417
FrodaN379
crisheroes174
DeMusliM98
KnowMe74
Trikslyr49
UpATreeSC36
Organizations
Other Games
EGCTV1089
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 2
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach44
• Pr0nogo 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2562
• Jankos2292
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 1652
• Shiphtur79
Upcoming Events
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
2h 31m
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
7h 31m
WardiTV Spring Champion…
18h 31m
GSL
19h 31m
IPSL
23h 31m
Hawk vs Julia
Patches Events
1d
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 2h
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 7h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 18h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Douyu Cup 2020
4 days
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
Douyu Cup 2020
5 days
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Douyu Cup 2020
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-19
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light HT
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.