• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:30
CET 08:30
KST 16:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 101SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1820Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship WardiTV Mondays $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play
Brood War
General
Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone I would like to say something about StarCraft StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
SLON Grand Finals – Season 2 [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Elden Ring Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI 12 Days of Starcraft
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 831 users

[Guitar] Overcoming Plateaus - Page 2

Blogs > Meow-Meow
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
August 06 2013 17:54 GMT
#21
Open tunings.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 08:59 GMT
#22
On August 07 2013 00:51 hoby2000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 14:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 05 2013 20:00 pebble444 wrote:
Two small examples here:
Jimi Hendrix didn' t know much about music theory. He is however one of the greatest guitar players (personally i' m not mad about him, but i recognize his greatness). How did he get there? by grinding it out doing his own stuff. Stuff he liked.

Why do people always say bullshit like this?

Miles Davis taught Jimi Hendrix jazz theory, he talks about it in his autobiography.

All theory is is a codification of what is pleasing to the ear, and why.

You can easily write great music that conforms to theoretical structures, without knowing the theory itself.

So stop saying bullshit like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know much about music theory" when it's more like "Jimi Hendrix knew more music theory than 99.9999999999% of the people on the planet, he just didn't know what other people called it."



Then he's an exception. Most musicians know jack shit about the theory of what they're playing. And in fact, more music theory does not mean you will write better music, and suggesting that knowing more theory will improve your music is a logical fallacy. While I agree that knowing theory is good and can help when used in the right instances, I would not suggest that theory helps regardless, nor do I suggest that one must study theory to be good or be better at playing music.

I personally know a lot of theory, but experimenting with chords and understanding the theory behind what you're doing is simply one way to get better. There a ton of others. If you just play and write, you will get better. Progress is not linear in that there are always several paths to take.

Of course he's the fucking exception, he's Jimi Hendrix. That's exactly why you shouldn't say stuff like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know any theory, but he's a great guitarist" implying that you don't have to know any theory to be a good guitar player.

Jesus Christ you're trying to tell me that "learning theory will improve your music playing if you are at a plateau" is a logical fallacy? Come on.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 10:04:38
August 09 2013 09:53 GMT
#23
On August 09 2013 17:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 00:51 hoby2000 wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 05 2013 20:00 pebble444 wrote:
Two small examples here:
Jimi Hendrix didn' t know much about music theory. He is however one of the greatest guitar players (personally i' m not mad about him, but i recognize his greatness). How did he get there? by grinding it out doing his own stuff. Stuff he liked.

Why do people always say bullshit like this?

Miles Davis taught Jimi Hendrix jazz theory, he talks about it in his autobiography.

All theory is is a codification of what is pleasing to the ear, and why.

You can easily write great music that conforms to theoretical structures, without knowing the theory itself.

So stop saying bullshit like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know much about music theory" when it's more like "Jimi Hendrix knew more music theory than 99.9999999999% of the people on the planet, he just didn't know what other people called it."



Then he's an exception. Most musicians know jack shit about the theory of what they're playing. And in fact, more music theory does not mean you will write better music, and suggesting that knowing more theory will improve your music is a logical fallacy. While I agree that knowing theory is good and can help when used in the right instances, I would not suggest that theory helps regardless, nor do I suggest that one must study theory to be good or be better at playing music.

I personally know a lot of theory, but experimenting with chords and understanding the theory behind what you're doing is simply one way to get better. There a ton of others. If you just play and write, you will get better. Progress is not linear in that there are always several paths to take.

Of course he's the fucking exception, he's Jimi Hendrix. That's exactly why you shouldn't say stuff like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know any theory, but he's a great guitarist" implying that you don't have to know any theory to be a good guitar player.

Jesus Christ you're trying to tell me that "learning theory will improve your music playing if you are at a plateau" is a logical fallacy? Come on.


If you word it like that it is though, the correct wording would be "learning theory MIGHT improve your music playing if you are at a plateau". Music != Theory, and especially a lot of the artists you find in almost any popular genre nowadays grew up without learning theory at all and many of them still don't know any theory even after selling millions of records. Just because someone's name is Jimi Hendrix doesn't mean he's that godlike figure who isn't human, he had to learn to get behind all of the music he created just like you and I would have to learn the music. He just had that much better of a feeling, passion and imagination for it and that's why his music is so amazing.

There is no direct correlation between knowing theory and being able to express yourself through music. Theory might help to explore new possibilities to express yourself, if you are ready for it. But if you already have problems to have the right feeling for making music I think theory can be a false friend more often than not, it pushes you into this corner of fixed ideas and how music is "supposed" to be. And that's not a nice corner to be in.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 13:06 GMT
#24
What the fuck are you talking about?

The logical fallacy is that you guys think music theory restricts you. How the fuck can knowledge restrict you? The only thing that is restricting you is your own biases and self-imposed limitations.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 13:08 GMT
#25
Seriously, you're telling me "if you learn more about music it will make it harder for you to express yourself through music" with a straight face and calling me out on a logical fallacy?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 14:14:21
August 09 2013 14:03 GMT
#26
It CAN (not will) make it harder to express yourself, if you don't get in what way the theory is supposed to help you expressing yourself. You even say it yourself, your own biases and self-imposed limitations can hinder you to learn from theory. So it can be a better choice to learn music in a different way if theory is not for you. Biases and self-imposed limitations are usually way harder to overcome than anything else, that's why we have them, and many people have problems transferring abstract theory into practical uses. Not just in music, but also in math, physics, literature and many other fields.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 21:39 GMT
#27
Basically I'm just dumbfounded that so many people can say stuff like "music theory limits you" when by definition music theory is just understanding why things sound the way they do.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 21:40 GMT
#28
I mean perhaps I had the best teacher of all time or something but two months of jazz theory with practice improved my playing more than anything else I've ever done.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Korean StarCraft League
03:00
Week 84
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 210
StarCraft: Brood War
Stork 432
Larva 241
Leta 168
EffOrt 112
Aegong 57
scan(afreeca) 23
Bale 7
Dota 2
XaKoH 540
NeuroSwarm212
League of Legends
JimRising 841
C9.Mang0706
Other Games
summit1g6970
Mew2King43
minikerr42
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV35
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1325
• Stunt457
Other Games
• Shiphtur2454
Upcoming Events
OSC
4h 30m
IPSL
9h 30m
Dewalt vs Bonyth
OSC
10h 30m
OSC
1d 4h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 6h
Replay Cast
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
OSC
3 days
OSC
4 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.