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Dragar
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom971 Posts
August 06 2013 17:54 GMT
#21
Open tunings.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 08:59 GMT
#22
On August 07 2013 00:51 hoby2000 wrote:
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On August 06 2013 14:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 05 2013 20:00 pebble444 wrote:
Two small examples here:
Jimi Hendrix didn' t know much about music theory. He is however one of the greatest guitar players (personally i' m not mad about him, but i recognize his greatness). How did he get there? by grinding it out doing his own stuff. Stuff he liked.

Why do people always say bullshit like this?

Miles Davis taught Jimi Hendrix jazz theory, he talks about it in his autobiography.

All theory is is a codification of what is pleasing to the ear, and why.

You can easily write great music that conforms to theoretical structures, without knowing the theory itself.

So stop saying bullshit like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know much about music theory" when it's more like "Jimi Hendrix knew more music theory than 99.9999999999% of the people on the planet, he just didn't know what other people called it."



Then he's an exception. Most musicians know jack shit about the theory of what they're playing. And in fact, more music theory does not mean you will write better music, and suggesting that knowing more theory will improve your music is a logical fallacy. While I agree that knowing theory is good and can help when used in the right instances, I would not suggest that theory helps regardless, nor do I suggest that one must study theory to be good or be better at playing music.

I personally know a lot of theory, but experimenting with chords and understanding the theory behind what you're doing is simply one way to get better. There a ton of others. If you just play and write, you will get better. Progress is not linear in that there are always several paths to take.

Of course he's the fucking exception, he's Jimi Hendrix. That's exactly why you shouldn't say stuff like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know any theory, but he's a great guitarist" implying that you don't have to know any theory to be a good guitar player.

Jesus Christ you're trying to tell me that "learning theory will improve your music playing if you are at a plateau" is a logical fallacy? Come on.
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Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 10:04:38
August 09 2013 09:53 GMT
#23
On August 09 2013 17:59 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2013 00:51 hoby2000 wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:56 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:54 Wombat_NI wrote:
On August 06 2013 14:46 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On August 05 2013 20:00 pebble444 wrote:
Two small examples here:
Jimi Hendrix didn' t know much about music theory. He is however one of the greatest guitar players (personally i' m not mad about him, but i recognize his greatness). How did he get there? by grinding it out doing his own stuff. Stuff he liked.

Why do people always say bullshit like this?

Miles Davis taught Jimi Hendrix jazz theory, he talks about it in his autobiography.

All theory is is a codification of what is pleasing to the ear, and why.

You can easily write great music that conforms to theoretical structures, without knowing the theory itself.

So stop saying bullshit like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know much about music theory" when it's more like "Jimi Hendrix knew more music theory than 99.9999999999% of the people on the planet, he just didn't know what other people called it."



Then he's an exception. Most musicians know jack shit about the theory of what they're playing. And in fact, more music theory does not mean you will write better music, and suggesting that knowing more theory will improve your music is a logical fallacy. While I agree that knowing theory is good and can help when used in the right instances, I would not suggest that theory helps regardless, nor do I suggest that one must study theory to be good or be better at playing music.

I personally know a lot of theory, but experimenting with chords and understanding the theory behind what you're doing is simply one way to get better. There a ton of others. If you just play and write, you will get better. Progress is not linear in that there are always several paths to take.

Of course he's the fucking exception, he's Jimi Hendrix. That's exactly why you shouldn't say stuff like "Jimi Hendrix didn't know any theory, but he's a great guitarist" implying that you don't have to know any theory to be a good guitar player.

Jesus Christ you're trying to tell me that "learning theory will improve your music playing if you are at a plateau" is a logical fallacy? Come on.


If you word it like that it is though, the correct wording would be "learning theory MIGHT improve your music playing if you are at a plateau". Music != Theory, and especially a lot of the artists you find in almost any popular genre nowadays grew up without learning theory at all and many of them still don't know any theory even after selling millions of records. Just because someone's name is Jimi Hendrix doesn't mean he's that godlike figure who isn't human, he had to learn to get behind all of the music he created just like you and I would have to learn the music. He just had that much better of a feeling, passion and imagination for it and that's why his music is so amazing.

There is no direct correlation between knowing theory and being able to express yourself through music. Theory might help to explore new possibilities to express yourself, if you are ready for it. But if you already have problems to have the right feeling for making music I think theory can be a false friend more often than not, it pushes you into this corner of fixed ideas and how music is "supposed" to be. And that's not a nice corner to be in.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 13:06 GMT
#24
What the fuck are you talking about?

The logical fallacy is that you guys think music theory restricts you. How the fuck can knowledge restrict you? The only thing that is restricting you is your own biases and self-imposed limitations.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 13:08 GMT
#25
Seriously, you're telling me "if you learn more about music it will make it harder for you to express yourself through music" with a straight face and calling me out on a logical fallacy?
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Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-09 14:14:21
August 09 2013 14:03 GMT
#26
It CAN (not will) make it harder to express yourself, if you don't get in what way the theory is supposed to help you expressing yourself. You even say it yourself, your own biases and self-imposed limitations can hinder you to learn from theory. So it can be a better choice to learn music in a different way if theory is not for you. Biases and self-imposed limitations are usually way harder to overcome than anything else, that's why we have them, and many people have problems transferring abstract theory into practical uses. Not just in music, but also in math, physics, literature and many other fields.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 21:39 GMT
#27
Basically I'm just dumbfounded that so many people can say stuff like "music theory limits you" when by definition music theory is just understanding why things sound the way they do.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 09 2013 21:40 GMT
#28
I mean perhaps I had the best teacher of all time or something but two months of jazz theory with practice improved my playing more than anything else I've ever done.
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