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Which SC2 race whines more? Who do you think does QQ more?
This includes balance changes/patches, the race arsenal, race gameplay, mechanics etc.
Here are MY opinions:
I am betting Zerg but let the stats judge it. (there goes the poll below)
Why I think it is Zerg? Because they hate Terran and Protoss and even fellow Zerg.
I would have to admit Zerg would be my hardest race. This is based on my experience or because of my style of playing (army and workers are separate). Some or most people could have the same scenario as me, but then as for my answer, that's what you get for playing that race. You just need to man up and deal with it.
These are the type of players who are too lazy to think of better ways to improve and just whine because of X or because X had X so we have to have X too. They also think highly of themselves since the play "Zerg". Like they are more superior and shit. We macro hard and other races just cheese and all-in.
From a Zerg point of view, It is like, why do I need to spread my overlords and creep, inject larva and know when to make workers or army and other races can just make shit and destroy? Lots of them also dont know why it is important to flank (very impt for melee/short ranged) in fights while P and T can just always shoot and march straight up.
Again as for my advise to these people, suck it up and think of ways to adapt. Dont't just whine and cry for nerfs and buffs.
I would really like to have this poll with the comments as to why they choose their answer but I guess you can use the comments section for your explanation.
Poll: Which race whines more?Zerg (39) 62% Terran (17) 27% Protoss (7) 11% 63 total votes Your vote: Which race whines more? (Vote): Terran
(Vote): Protoss
(Vote): Zerg
This is inevitable but let the bashing begin!
  
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I've rarely seen such a racist thread.
All races whine equally!
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"As a player of Race X, I think that the other two races whine more than my race, and whenever my race does complain, it's completely justified."
Not sure how objective people would be in their responses...
Also, surely some whining about races or matchups might be justified if a certain race is actually performing statistically worse in certain areas? Surely balance discussion can be helpful too.
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What´s with the Random hate? We shouldn´t forget about the Randoms´ hate.
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On June 20 2013 20:17 Passion wrote:
I've rarely seen such a racist thread.
All races whine equally!
LOL, actually I was about to include some racist reasons like I just hate terran because they are fucking imba, 50minerals for a shooting cheap us, tier 1, stimming bullshit but then whats the point?
Racism would always be there, it is part of reality and no races do not whine equally and I am sure of that.
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Aka "Which race are you not?"
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Norway25712 Posts
idunno, feels to me like everyone whines equally. Terran gets a lot of hate though. At least it feels like it. Idunno, I don't "discuss" balance.
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On June 20 2013 20:23 Daswollvieh wrote:
What´s with the Random hate? We shouldn´t forget about the Randoms´ hate.
"I have to learn 6 matchups while all my opponents only have to know 3, IMBALANCE"
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On June 20 2013 22:27 KristofferAG wrote:
idunno, feels to me like everyone whines equally. Terran gets a lot of hate though. At least it feels like it. Idunno, I don't "discuss" balance.
Well the "race hate thread" should be a good new poll to make. As far as I can see it, it should be near this order:
Terran > Protoss > Random > Zerg
This would most like be because:
A. There are a lot of Terran players, players would often start playing terran ( campains and starter kits)
B. Terran is just "Easy" says everyone who hates Terran
C. Everyone hates colossus
D. *thinks* Random = cheese
D. Zerg is "hard" and im superior because I play zerg.
I pity these people(B,C,D), specially D.
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My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though.
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How does protoss not have more votes? You don't see a sad marine or a sad zergling fanclub do you? Or maybe that's why protoss has so few votes, there are so many sad zealots voting for the other races.
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On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though.
Wait, when was this?
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I think players with a poor mentality whine the most, but that could just be my crazy line of thinking.
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On June 21 2013 00:55 Luepert wrote:
How does protoss not have more votes? You don't see a sad marine or a sad zergling fanclub do you? Or maybe that's why protoss has so few votes, there are so many sad zealots voting for the other races.
Cause we at the Sad Zealot Fan Club use all of our energy to think up a new IMBA ALL-IN that makes players everywere rage! We don't gots time to balance whine when creating new all-ins!
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On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though.
This guy gets it right. Zerg whine used to be justified, and now it's just stuck in the communities' memory.
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On June 21 2013 02:02 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. Wait, when was this?
Around Code S season 1 probably. Holy shit, it was bad back then. Which makes it even more of a miracle that FD won.
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On June 20 2013 23:24 woreyour wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 22:27 KristofferAG wrote:
idunno, feels to me like everyone whines equally. Terran gets a lot of hate though. At least it feels like it. Idunno, I don't "discuss" balance. Well the "race hate thread" should be a good new poll to make. As far as I can see it, it should be near this order: Terran > Protoss > Random > Zerg This would most like be because: A. There are a lot of Terran players, players would often start playing terran ( campains and starter kits) B. Terran is just "Easy" says everyone who hates Terran C. Everyone hates colossus D. *thinks* Random = cheese D. Zerg is "hard" and im superior because I play zerg. I pity these people(B,C,D), specially D.
I thought people thought terran was the hardest, lots of pros do.
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I think Terrans whine the most because avilo is Terran
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I am not sure how has the largest number of whiny players, but Terran seems to have the loudest whiners.
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On June 21 2013 17:33 datcirclejerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. This guy gets it right. Zerg whine used to be justified, and now it's just stuck in the communities' memory.
You guys don't see a huge amount of irony in this? Zerg was never as underpowered as they claimed to be. Many buffs and nerfs later, it turns out they weren't by far the worst, but by far the best.
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On June 22 2013 03:59 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 17:33 datcirclejerk wrote:On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. This guy gets it right. Zerg whine used to be justified, and now it's just stuck in the communities' memory. You guys don't see a huge amount of irony in this? Zerg was never as underpowered as they claimed to be. Many buffs and nerfs later, it turns out they weren't by far the worst, but by far the best.
There were MANY buffs and nerfs in favor of Zerg. Patch after patch. They were as underpowered as they claimed, and Blizzard knew it. It wasn't until infestors finally became worth making that Zerg overcame Terran.
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On June 21 2013 02:02 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. Wait, when was this?
2010. Queens had like 2 range, rax could be built before supply depot, reapers didn't need factory for nitro packs, roaches had 3 range, snipes did 45 damage with no modifiers.
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On June 22 2013 04:04 datcirclejerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 03:59 Jerubaal wrote:On June 21 2013 17:33 datcirclejerk wrote:On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. This guy gets it right. Zerg whine used to be justified, and now it's just stuck in the communities' memory. You guys don't see a huge amount of irony in this? Zerg was never as underpowered as they claimed to be. Many buffs and nerfs later, it turns out they weren't by far the worst, but by far the best. There were MANY buffs and nerfs in favor of Zerg. Patch after patch. They were as underpowered as they claimed, and Blizzard knew it. It wasn't until infestors finally became worth making that Zerg overcame Terran.
Infestors were never buffed though. The buff that changed the way zerg played was queen to range 5. Once they got that, people started abusing how good queens were early game and the lack of early game options for T to punish Z and started getting to the late game with unbelievable leads.
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On June 22 2013 04:06 Ecstatic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 04:04 datcirclejerk wrote:On June 22 2013 03:59 Jerubaal wrote:On June 21 2013 17:33 datcirclejerk wrote:On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. This guy gets it right. Zerg whine used to be justified, and now it's just stuck in the communities' memory. You guys don't see a huge amount of irony in this? Zerg was never as underpowered as they claimed to be. Many buffs and nerfs later, it turns out they weren't by far the worst, but by far the best. There were MANY buffs and nerfs in favor of Zerg. Patch after patch. They were as underpowered as they claimed, and Blizzard knew it. It wasn't until infestors finally became worth making that Zerg overcame Terran. Infestors were never buffed though. The buff that changed the way zerg played was queen to range 5. Once they got that, people started abusing how good queens were early game and the lack of early game options for T to punish Z and started getting to the late game with unbelievable leads.
Ok, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. That's ok.
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I don't think it's productive to try to argue about every stage of the game, but ask yourself this: Is it more likely that zerg was underpowered and just lucked its way to more GSL wins in the period when it was "underpowered" than Protoss collected during the entirety of WoL, or that people's perception about the strength of zerg was wrong?
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So technically we are all whining about whiners at the moment?
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voted terran. terrans whining about hellbats in tvt always cracks me up
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On June 22 2013 04:21 datcirclejerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 04:06 Ecstatic wrote:On June 22 2013 04:04 datcirclejerk wrote:On June 22 2013 03:59 Jerubaal wrote:On June 21 2013 17:33 datcirclejerk wrote:On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. This guy gets it right. Zerg whine used to be justified, and now it's just stuck in the communities' memory. You guys don't see a huge amount of irony in this? Zerg was never as underpowered as they claimed to be. Many buffs and nerfs later, it turns out they weren't by far the worst, but by far the best. There were MANY buffs and nerfs in favor of Zerg. Patch after patch. They were as underpowered as they claimed, and Blizzard knew it. It wasn't until infestors finally became worth making that Zerg overcame Terran. Infestors were never buffed though. The buff that changed the way zerg played was queen to range 5. Once they got that, people started abusing how good queens were early game and the lack of early game options for T to punish Z and started getting to the late game with unbelievable leads. Ok, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. That's ok.
O.O. What Infestor buff has there been.
EDIT: Ah I forgot about the time change buff. Thanks for being an asshole about it though.
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Zergs have never not whined.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On June 22 2013 10:03 SnipedSoul wrote:
Zergs have never not whined.
love the double negative lol
It feels that Zerg have been whining a lot since SCII release. It decreased with the queen buff but at that point, well, it was quite difficult to win a TvZ if you went with 4 or 6 queen build so I can see why lol. I feel that Terran and Protoss have whined less, possibly protoss whining a bit lesser than Terran but not that big of a gap.
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On June 22 2013 00:16 Ghin wrote:
I think Terrans whine the most because avilo is Terran
If TL allowed blank quotes I would do it here, but instead I'll use this space to complain.
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I think a lot of zergs just never mentally got past how terrible the original maps were for zerg and feel entitled to whine about everything.
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I agree that Zergs need to flank and adapt and all that janx, but we do do that despite our whining. We turned to roach defenses and queens and spores and busts and whatever we could do exploit the hellbat drops. We turned to runbys at literally any point in time + "micro roach/ling better" to at first ridiculous tactics like mass swarmhost/spore to keep up with mass gateways or mass lazers. It's how Zergs have won, time and time again.
But I feel that it (was) at least slightly depressing to ask us to defend consistently against two hellbats with spores/sunks/queens/roaches at EVERY base, as well as "micro roach/ling better" against 10+ sentries and some random number of +2/+1 immortals any time from 10-12 minutes on a two-way map like Neo Planet S. 6 minute evos sound simple enough, but when even making two extractors can add 5-10 seconds to when you can make units against pushes...
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Brotherhood of Nod players are the biggest whiners ever.
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On June 22 2013 14:10 ninazerg wrote:
Brotherhood of Nod players are the biggest whiners ever.
clearly you have never faced mass wolverines
GDI spam units make me sad
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I'm a Protoss player and I have noticed that almost every other Protoss I play bitches about something dumb. Sad to say I think P users whine the most from my experience.
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On June 22 2013 13:57 ymir233 wrote:
I agree that Zergs need to flank and adapt and all that janx, but we do do that despite our whining. We turned to roach defenses and queens and spores and busts and whatever we could do exploit the hellbat drops. We turned to runbys at literally any point in time + "micro roach/ling better" to at first ridiculous tactics like mass swarmhost/spore to keep up with mass gateways or mass lazers. It's how Zergs have won, time and time again.
But I feel that it (was) at least slightly depressing to ask us to defend consistently against two hellbats with spores/sunks/queens/roaches at EVERY base, as well as "micro roach/ling better" against 10+ sentries and some random number of +2/+1 immortals any time from 10-12 minutes on a two-way map like Neo Planet S. 6 minute evos sound simple enough, but when even making two extractors can add 5-10 seconds to when you can make units against pushes...
well this is what I am talking about  this seems like a passive whine. kidding! 
Anyway, the point is, why do zergs complain instead of finding out better ways do deal with stuff? I mean, you played that race, you just need to adapt like what "zergs" need to be doing.
I can agree that if you get aggressive with zerg you would likely fall behind but thats about any race(kidding) not Terran LOL but there have been openings like light ling pressure or 10 pool that are still aggressive and can still be okay. It is just that zerg wants to always play greedy opening 3 hatch before pool stuff and then complain?
If zerg is ahead you can't really kill him if he reacts better and counters you unless you have toss late game lazers or have guso medi drops. All races have their aces of doom, mutas for zerg anyone? infestor broodlord (WOL) Toss ball of death lategame. Fast Medivacs +hellion, hell remember when people complained about widow mine but now who does?
yeah but hellbats are really a problem in all match ups currently but we are talking about whines in general.
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On June 22 2013 03:59 Jerubaal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 17:33 datcirclejerk wrote:On June 20 2013 23:45 HardlyNever wrote:
My general impression is that terran is usually the "most hated" and that zerg is the "whiniest." Most of this is from early WoL release, where terran was overpowered and zerg was underpowered, and it just sort of cemented in the community from there (or at least in my mind).
I don't think there is a lot of truth in it, though. This guy gets it right. Zerg whine used to be justified, and now it's just stuck in the communities' memory. You guys don't see a huge amount of irony in this? Zerg was never as underpowered as they claimed to be. Many buffs and nerfs later, it turns out they weren't by far the worst, but by far the best.
Zerg was ridiculously underpowered for a very long time, borderline impossible to win with before some nerfs (when morrow completely obliterated Idra with Reapers, though that was nerfed almost immediately afterwards). Terran was then nerfed continuously while Zerg was slowly buffed (maps also changed over time to become bigger and more open, giving more of an advantage to zerg) and eventually we got to the point where Zergs were overpowered, especially the queen buff comes to mind.
Like everyone else, I think zergs just got used to whining when zerg was underpowered which has kept it coming even though I find most people who main zerg will agree that zerg has been overpowered at times lately (when Stephanos roach build became popular for example).
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