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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
June 04 2013 03:37 GMT
#21
i would move to gosugamers if they moved the left sidebar
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HarbingerOfDoom
Profile Joined December 2010
United States508 Posts
June 04 2013 03:51 GMT
#22
On June 04 2013 12:21 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 11:29 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
On June 04 2013 06:41 wo1fwood wrote:
"But wo1fwood, don't you need more actions to access the forums this way?" Yes and no. If you're talking about the top most forums, which are News and General by default, then yes. However, these I'd imagine aren't the most heavily trafficked sections of the site (not to mention the news forum list is kind of redundant on the frontpage, but I'll get to that in a bit). With these other forums you currently need at least 1 mouse click and 1-3 scrolls to get to where you are. With the change I came up with you need two mouse clicks, one to open the dropdown list, another to access the thread or forum you want.

You need a higher res monitor. No scrolling here. This is my view of TL.net:


I don't think he's talking about horizontal scrolling. If you're reading a thread and scroll all the way down to the end of the thread, the sidebars will be hidden, and you need to scroll back up to navigate to a different thread or section.

Edit: Sorry for the double post.

I'll assume you mean vertical scrollbar, I was assuming his sidebar extended past the vertical space viewable on his monitor.

But if you want to go with that...then home + click on the sidebar, still only two clicks. Or hold middle mouse/move mouse to top of screen and then release middle mouse and click on sidebar. Slightly more complex two clicks, but still only two clicks. Or click and drag scrollbar up and click on sidebar.
deo1
Profile Joined April 2010
United States199 Posts
June 04 2013 04:15 GMT
#23
I like it. But also I am just a fan of the new Microsoft flat design language in general, and this takes a lot of cues from that language. We are seeing it in Android and likely the next iOS as well.

At any rate, removing gradients and shadows alone would be enough to be considered a major improvement I think.
Poooooor Protoss.
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 04:24:44
June 04 2013 04:20 GMT
#24
I love TL's left sidebar, it is such an elegantly utilitarian feature that so many other sites neglect. Simplification for the point of simplification is detrimental if it hinders the functionality of the site itself.
(I think a poll would reflect TL users' views on this. Whenever I go to other websites, I am aghast at how difficult they are to navigate/follow compared to TL.)

I like some of your thread ideas though, thanks for the mock-ups.

Edit: Going down for maintenance for an hour today sometime "soon." Left Sidebar, I fear for you!!!!
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 04 2013 04:40 GMT
#25
On June 04 2013 12:37 Kiante wrote:
i would move to gosugamers if they moved the left sidebar

I second this. No one can take that right from us!
User was warned for too many mimes.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 04 2013 06:42 GMT
#26
On June 04 2013 08:34 Waxangel wrote:
consider the response we got to moving 'home,' now reconsider removing the left sidebar

personally I could live without it, but I don't think the TL users would let us live if we removed it

I would die if the left sidebar was removed. it's connected to my life force
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Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
June 04 2013 07:09 GMT
#27
I spend most of my time on TL looking at the forum nav column honestly... I feel like any redesign of TL should focus on that part the most, hiding it would be a terrible option for me. In fact, though it wouldn't make much sense from what TL is all about, I would prefer if the whole news picture and all that stuff at the top of the default page was replaced by some forums overview.
Aeropunk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia255 Posts
June 04 2013 07:48 GMT
#28
The frontpage idea looks to me like Windows 8, basic colours with squares, so not really a fan of it. I do agree that the forum posts could have a bit of work done to freshen up the look,
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
June 04 2013 08:01 GMT
#29
Anyone else remember that time mods got mad people didn't use the forum index more and disabled the left side bar for an entire day with red scribbles all over it. Yeah, worst day ever.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
June 04 2013 08:18 GMT
#30
I could do without it, but just pls add the general forum back to the forum dropdown
FlyingBeer
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States262 Posts
June 04 2013 08:23 GMT
#31
Love the new look. Don't use the left side-bar, so don't need it, but to keep Plexa from going Scottish on you... maybe you could get rid of the right side-bar instead? Just replace all those boxes with a row of BFBs (big fucking buttons) to click on at the top of the page to make it really obvious that people should check out the events, live streams, liquipedia, and TLPD. You might also consider adding the events or the live streams below spotlight if people are super attached to either.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 10:33:11
June 04 2013 10:22 GMT
#32
On June 04 2013 12:18 Piledriver wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

The mockups look great. What tools did you use to do them?



That being said however, when I decided to make a mock image up I started to think about how TL could further go down this road of simplification and making their user experience more clean, concise, and more enjoyable overall,



These are good goals for a simple graphical redesign, but from a UX/Interaction Design/Usability perspective, I think these are really vague goals. I usually try to create more well defined and measurable goals to which I can assign some kind of metric, and usually you can create these goals by looking at user data and analysis (which can be hard if you're just doing a conceptual exercise). An easier way to do this might be to get yourself and couple of friends (who are TL users) together in a room/skype chat and try to find their patterns of usage (and possible problems), and try to come up with goals which address these use cases.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, your design looks good, but I don't really know if it achieves the goals of being more usable (it very well might be more usable than the existing design, we just have no way of evaluating since you don't have a well defined list of goals).

Also regarding fonts : I absolutely love Lato , and use it for a lot of my designs. Sample page (not my design)
I used photoshop to lay things out for me. I actually wondered about setting up a system that tracked user patterns in terms of clicks (which url links/buttons are used the most and how) and what that would yield. I'd certainly be curious of what is more trafficked as you're right my intuition or gut feelings could be way off from the general user base. well i guess they are to an extent if you look at the forum concerns of others already.

On June 04 2013 17:23 FlyingBeer wrote:
Love the new look. Don't use the left side-bar, so don't need it, but to keep Plexa from going Scottish on you... maybe you could get rid of the right side-bar instead? Just replace all those boxes with a row of BFBs (big fucking buttons) to click on at the top of the page to make it really obvious that people should check out the events, live streams, liquipedia, and TLPD. You might also consider adding the events or the live streams below spotlight if people are super attached to either.
That I feel would be a worse option as it partially ties into the news/events concept of the front page, and you lose the immediacy of access to this info by doing this. Many times i've come to the site to say "whats going on?" and oh "wcs EU is on, or SSL finals is on!" and then proceed to tune in because its immediately in my vision.

On June 04 2013 12:51 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 04 2013 12:21 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 11:29 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
On June 04 2013 06:41 wo1fwood wrote:
"But wo1fwood, don't you need more actions to access the forums this way?" Yes and no. If you're talking about the top most forums, which are News and General by default, then yes. However, these I'd imagine aren't the most heavily trafficked sections of the site (not to mention the news forum list is kind of redundant on the frontpage, but I'll get to that in a bit). With these other forums you currently need at least 1 mouse click and 1-3 scrolls to get to where you are. With the change I came up with you need two mouse clicks, one to open the dropdown list, another to access the thread or forum you want.

You need a higher res monitor. No scrolling here. This is my view of TL.net:


I don't think he's talking about horizontal scrolling. If you're reading a thread and scroll all the way down to the end of the thread, the sidebars will be hidden, and you need to scroll back up to navigate to a different thread or section.

Edit: Sorry for the double post.

I'll assume you mean vertical scrollbar, I was assuming his sidebar extended past the vertical space viewable on his monitor.

But if you want to go with that...then home + click on the sidebar, still only two clicks. Or hold middle mouse/move mouse to top of screen and then release middle mouse and click on sidebar. Slightly more complex two clicks, but still only two clicks. Or click and drag scrollbar up and click on sidebar.
One issue I could see here is that you have customized your left sidebar so that you only see 4 forums in total (and they fit in your screen entirely). What about others who have more than this enabled? I have 7 forums enabled in the sidebar as I do traffic sc2, dota2, bw, and blogs. What about me? I need three actions many times to get to the thread I end up on. It's just a thought on oter peoples preferences, or the defaults, though I do use home/end on my kb a lot to get top to bottom quite often.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 04 2013 11:08 GMT
#33
I really like this: http://i.imgur.com/XpGYnv3.jpg

I could live without the left side-bar. As long as the right one with streams remain (having viewers is pretty nifty), it's all good.

I think, if you don't want people to complain (I'm not; though I really like the current layout, the layouts showed here are really, really good too), you need to give them the option to go back to what they're used to. Though maybe that's going overboard with customization.

I dunno, but I really like some of the changes proposed here.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
June 04 2013 12:40 GMT
#34
On June 04 2013 13:40 docvoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 12:37 Kiante wrote:
i would move to gosugamers if they moved the left sidebar

I second this. No one can take that right from us!


I join with you guys!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
June 04 2013 13:35 GMT
#35
On June 04 2013 13:40 docvoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2013 12:37 Kiante wrote:
i would move to gosugamers if they moved the left sidebar

I second this. No one can take that right from us!


You mean that left from us

I really like the top bar suggestion I also like the rest of the idea (left sidebar and all) but I understand that for a majority of TL user's that would be an outrage.

I think it was a really good exercise for you to do this and as a web developer I can appreciate the thought behind this and I am so glad you included your thoughts about why you came to that conclusion and how (specifically the forum drop down because my first thought was WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE A DROPDOWN THAT IS HALF A PAGE?????? but then as I thought about it and looked at it it grew on me.

Also a thought to add to your idea would be to allow the user to "deslect" forum sections so that they wouldnt show up in the dropdown

Over all very cool man
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MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
June 04 2013 17:24 GMT
#36
Removing the left sidebar xDDDDDDDDDD

Nice troll^^
https://www.twitch.tv/MasterReY/ ~ Biggest Reach fan on TL.net (Don't even dare to mention LR now) ~ R.I.P Violet ~ Developer of SCRChart
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Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
June 04 2013 17:47 GMT
#37
Great blog.

I love TL.net but it is seriously one of the most ugly websites I use.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 04 2013 17:56 GMT
#38
A lot of websites don't have a sidebar and it makes it harder to scan for content. More clicks to get anywhere... If all you care about is ad revenue and not user happiness, I guess that is okay. But I also think people get tried of clicking thru redundant links, so being able to jump from one thread to the next probably actually keeps users hopping around the website for longer. I don't think I've ever used the actual forum index page to navigate this website.

It's a community driven site, imo. The news is superfluous to the reason people use this site. With that in mind, your changes definitely don't reflect the way people use it.
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Samynix
Profile Joined May 2003
Norway4 Posts
June 04 2013 18:24 GMT
#39
Since tablets and mobiles are the "future" i would be thinking about getting a responsive design.
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KoRStarvid
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden767 Posts
June 04 2013 19:32 GMT
#40
The left side bar is a waste of space imo. The dropdown list solves the cluttering of the first page while maintaining the forum overview functionality. It's a neat solution.
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