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dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-06 16:35:55
February 05 2013 00:57 GMT
#1
This will be a lot more formal and abundant in details within the week, basically I am going to undergo a series of in depth analysis of some pro replays in which I will be formulating my new style for the upcoming TLS. (This goes for next season as well since there won't be enough time for it to rub off most likely before my group matches)

I will then mimic repeatedly vs computers with in-game clocks/watching replays checking on worker count at many time intervals and income per minute to make sure I can sync with the pros as close as possible.

The reason I am doing all of this is mostly because I have wanted to improve in BW but have neglected the process of achieving this improvement due to the activity for the past while in the BW scene. (Yeah there are were some weekly tours and such but it seems rather lonely and dead to log in every 2 days to see nobody you know or having no games on iccup after C). With the return of TLS, hopefully after season 1, the community should strengthen and increase in activity so I am going to finally try to reach my goal.

I will save replay packs and break down some per match-up to note what areas exactly I am trying to improve and compare my mistakes to the pro tendencies. Also, I will try to save some FPVods while I am explaining some of the thought processes I will derive from improving my mechanics and apply this to new and creative builds. (I used to have a notepad folder with about 10 varying PvZ BOs, I happen to reformat last November and haven't been as active so I completely forgot most of them since they were very specifically timed).

In short: I posted this to reserve my 3K post, more information to follow.


1: PvZ GW Expand vs Overpool Expand

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I won't go into every single supply at which you build something as there can be many variations so this is just to note at what timings that you should be at with your tech vs theirs.

8/9 Pylon @ Natural *Note you should only do this at locations where lings can only enter single file after wall completed
Probe scouts your closest non natural third (this is because overlords should scout the closest enemy natural, i.e in this scout path)
10/17 same probe returns -> Gateway
12/17 in base pylon
In-game time:
2:01 ->First Zealot starts @ 100% Gateway
2:06 -> Spawning pool has finished
Queue up a 2nd zealot until you scout your opponent (if they 12hatch you can cancel this and go 17nexus, use first zealot to harass while you complete wall and build 2nd zlot)
2:27 First Zealot and first 2 lings finish -> At this time Tosses Resource per minute is 680~ Zerg is 592~ (You have more income because they went overpool, making lings instead of drones)
IF* They make 6lings, they will be finished by 2:35

14-15 Supply for Zerg (2:50) takes their geyser
21/25 (2:53) Nexus begins
Resources Per minute: Toss = 744 | Zerg=600 (This is 6lings vs 2 zealots, protoss didn't cut any probes)

*Note here, if zerg makes more than 6lings, you must cut probes @ 21 supply to finish wall + add zealots. Else, you can continue probes, cut zealots: 2 total, if lost 1 make another, add tech and complete wall (no cannons required)

22/25 Pylon
3:16 - > Zerg around 16-17 supply (Geyser completes)
Resources Per minute: Toss = 816 | Zerg = 584 [8lings] *note: ofc RPM will change but this is just a rough estimate over 10replays based on reactions from the zerg, Toss normally unaffected my income with this build

23/25 Assimilator
26/33 Cybernetics Core (100% Gas completion)

3:45 Zerg Lair Starts -->> Supplies : Protoss 26/33 RPM: 864 / 19~probes 2~zealots | Zerg 17/18 RPM: 582 13~drones 8zerglings

30/33 (4:05) Nexus Finishes (21 total probes) so: You have 3 on gas, 18remain with 9 minerals in the main and 1 scouting. Optimal mining is close to 1.5 probes per mineral so you want to transfer no more than 5 probes and after you continue to saturate your main, start transferring probes to your natural from your main as they're being produced. (i.e: You transfer 4-5probes to the natural, leaving 17-4/5 (12 or 13) in the main as you get to say 18probes in the main, which is double probes per mineral, you can start sending some to the natural so your probe per mineral will be at an even ratio among the expansions.

(4:05) Zergling speed (@100 extra gas after lair)

4:27 -> core completes -> get stargate RPM: Toss = 824 | Zerg = 600
4:32 3rd Hatchery finishes

Now the following depends on your (2nd) gas timing so the rest is also relative but we can use it to continue to compare.
4:50 ~ 35/42 citadel
5:01


TBC

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I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
February 05 2013 01:04 GMT
#2
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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
February 05 2013 01:08 GMT
#3
One of the more annoying things in life is seeing some extremely useful and important information that is completely useless to you.
Case in point: I'm a zerg. Shit.
Should still be interesting to see, though. High level knowledge is usually interesting regardless of it's practical applications.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 01:50:43
February 05 2013 01:43 GMT
#4
On February 05 2013 10:08 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
One of the more annoying things in life is seeing some extremely useful and important information that is completely useless to you.
Case in point: I'm a zerg. Shit.
Should still be interesting to see, though. High level knowledge is usually interesting regardless of it's practical applications.


Well someone pointed out that since I will analyze from my perspective, if you are not protoss you might see something for the terran aspect of my PvT break-down. Also, I do know quite a bit about ZvP knowledge even though my mechanics for zerg are extremely lacking I am still able to beat some good Protosses in this match up. (I even beat iOps`Sense @ iccup on Tau Cross ZvP)
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1685 Posts
February 05 2013 11:50 GMT
#5
This is great, I love the kind of thing TLS is bringing out. Your extra effort won't go unnoticed KC, and I'm sure you'll have the results to prove it. You've already displayed some formidable strategy and sheer ability in the execution.
EleGant[AoV]
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
February 06 2013 16:36 GMT
#6
will finish the first build with photos when I return from class
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
February 07 2013 18:11 GMT
#7
This is very cool, I can't wait till you have some more builds up and this becomes more comprehensive.
BW4Life!
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
February 07 2013 20:55 GMT
#8
At what supply do you 1a2a3a?
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
February 09 2013 03:45 GMT
#9
On February 08 2013 05:55 Sayle wrote:
At what supply do you 1a2a3a?


basically any supply, depends on your play style. If you want just easy win for instance, 1a is all that's required.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
February 11 2013 04:14 GMT
#10
Some FPVods from the last defiler tour: http://www.justin.tv/tmskal_hon/videos / http://www.twitch.tv/gosuking/b/365949197 I think that my speed is increasing but I still haven't implemented my new training methods. Noticing that the practice on fish is paying off as I can react almost to my thought speed. Still getting overrun @ university with work so my update for the OP will be continually delayed, hoping to have a completed set of builds before my TLS quals this upcoming weekend.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
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