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So after 160+ games this season I've finally hit a new max of B-. I was going to write a blog when I hit C+ last week but couldn't be bothered and that game sucked anyway. 
This game was a bit better and so here it is:
I open up with 13 nexus after seeing his 12 hatch. The plan was to go 2 gates before getting gas after that but I messed up placement of gate at the natural and so the timings are off. If not I can get 3 zealots around 4 minutes which can catch zerg off guard and do a lot of damage or at worst force him to make lings instead of drones.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/juxSE.png)
So my scout leaves his base and sees a hydra den. Kinda silly showing hydra den, so don't do it. I know what's up so add cannons, get +1 weapons, legs speed and 2 more gates. Meanwhile 3 zealots are harassing, probably wasn't the best choice but it did delay mining for a bit and they see a 4th hatch.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v8r72.png)
I couldn't delay hydras long enough to get +1 weapons to finish which really sucks.Without the +1 I can't break that amount of hydras. I try anyway but more hydras come and I end up losing a bit too much. So while I wait for +1 weapons to finish I also get high templar and storms. I know he's not going to try a bust since he moved his hydra away and there wasn't any reinforcements coming.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1wWlh.png)
When storms are finally done, I'm thinking lurkers are going to come soon but I'm not exactly sure yet so I delay robo to get my third up first. Well placed storms can take out lurkers so it doesn't really matter right now.
So now I know for sure that there are lurkers, I get lucky and kill two. He sends four lurkers out but I don't care since I have cannons and more units at home and so take this time to counter where I know nothing is there.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3CCoN.png)
Here I mess up and instead of attacking the hydra behind me I try to break down the zerg sim and I missed a storm or I could have kept everything alive.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hurID.png)
At my third zerg decides to do a sneaky lurker drop but I notice on the minimap, pull everything and only lose two probes. Storms finish the lurkers off easily.
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I don't know how but he catches my shuttle. His hydra are out of position though so this gives me some time to try to break out. There's nothing but lurkers so it's easily broken.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/32EDX.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SqZdc.png)
I head over to kill his base but there is just too much zerg so instead I go up to the fourth, I was expecting it to be just set up but there's already a lot of sunkens there but no lurkers which isn't enough to stop my army.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uO1nR.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eWJTO.png)
The rest of the game is zerg refusing to quit. I know he can't expand so all I have to do is not die to drops and take more bases myself while getting reavers to eventually break his base. After a couple of failed drop attempts and me killing his fourth, zerg ggs. 
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hTs5L.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Crgnd.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hONpt.png)
Oh and here's the replay: http://repdepot.net/replay.php?id=52579
 
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Grats fold qt pie. Always FIGHTING~
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Congrats on hitting the blue.
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Congrats yo, Foldu fightingu~
Next stop, A-!
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nothing makes me happier than seeing you did it by beating a zerg. ALLLLLLL those years ago my PvZ win rate was like 12% on ICC. Sad times 
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fold you are my hero
#1 #1 #1
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Congrats! I like watching your stream.
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On January 13 2013 09:53 LasTLiE wrote:
Congrats yo, Foldu fightingu~
Next stop, A-!
B is the next stop.
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Sweet moves 
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Canada8036 Posts
Grats fold~
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2DGtO.png)
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Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster?
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On January 13 2013 09:59 SnowFantasy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:53 LasTLiE wrote:
Congrats yo, Foldu fightingu~
Next stop, A-! B is the next stop.
Nah, foldu so gosu he'll skip right over B and B+. ezpz np~
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United States210 Posts
Foldu number one protoss in the world <3
Foldu jungmal sessy nun sessy ko sessy ip sessy lub
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On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster?
if you asked a complete newbie (to both games) to reach B- on iccup and GM on NA server respectively, I would think that achieving the former would be more difficult/less likely.
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congrats sir! I didn't have it in me to reach B- after I got C+ :o
On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster?
I would say B- is pretty easily GM on NA.
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On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster?
D+/C- or so is low masters. Then the ranks increase pretty quick.
I'd say C is mid/high masters, C+ is top master (top 2000NA~), B- is top top top masters top(400NA~), B is an above average GM, B+ is the very top GM, A- was rarely achieved by foreigners, but right now people like Naniwa, Thorzain, Major, Lucifrom, Vortix may be at that level. A is like Stephano, and Code S players, A+ is pretty much anyone above 2300 on Korea TLPD or 2400+ on international.
Congrats on reaching B-!
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Congratz fold!
(Nazza happy birthday xD)
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Nice job Fold! Your PvZ is really fun to watch when you stream~
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United States10529 Posts
holy shit im never gonna get good at starcraft TT.TT
nice job!
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Grats. Seeing that ladder A-B channel feels so good.
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On January 13 2013 11:50 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 10:44 phosphorylation wrote:On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster? if you asked a complete newbie (to both games) to reach B- on iccup and GM on NA server respectively, I would think that achieving the former would be more difficult/less likely. wow, there are less then 200 people in B and above? thats insane
For foreigners, that pretty close to accurate. If you include Koreans there are thousands though that would be above B level skill.
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Katowice25012 Posts
B- is damn legit, congrats!
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Australia1064 Posts
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Gratz! That's pretty imressive!
On January 13 2013 11:50 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 10:44 phosphorylation wrote:On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster? if you asked a complete newbie (to both games) to reach B- on iccup and GM on NA server respectively, I would think that achieving the former would be more difficult/less likely. wow, there are less then 200 people in B and above? thats insane
Currently, there are only ~50 people at B- and above.
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/ladder/1x1.html
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I take all the credit for providing the motivation to get to B-.
kthx
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WOW, Blue rank!!!!!!
Congrats mang
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On January 13 2013 13:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I take all the credit for providing the motivation to get to B-.
kthx
Hey znf I beat fold once that means I'm B- right??
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On January 13 2013 13:59 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 13:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
I take all the credit for providing the motivation to get to B-.
kthx Hey znf I beat fold once that means I'm B- right??
No, beating a B- means you are B.
Unless it was a kind of short game, then you're closer to B+ or A-
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Wooh! Congratulations for hitting B-
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Congrats!
This is epic <3.
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Damn dude congratz
how are things looking up there?
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congrats foldu
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fold is so bm he'll be stuck at b forever
jk ilu fold grats
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United States10328 Posts
congrats
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I'd rate B- over NA GM, very nicely done!
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"tail" will now forever be known as the guy who gave you blue balls.
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Croatia9545 Posts
"I head over to kill his base but there is just too much zerg" - quote of every PvZ ever.
congrats man!
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On January 13 2013 19:35 2Pacalypse- wrote:
"I head over to kill his base but there is just too much zerg" - quote of every PvZ ever.
congrats man!
HAHAHAHAHA
Congrats on the B-
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Congratulations fold, it's been great waking up and being able to watch your stream.
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On January 13 2013 11:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster? D+/C- or so is low masters. Then the ranks increase pretty quick. I'd say C is mid/high masters, C+ is top master (top 2000NA~), B- is top top top masters top(400NA~), B is an above average GM, B+ is the very top GM, A- was rarely achieved by foreigners, but right now people like Naniwa, Thorzain, Major, Lucifrom, Vortix may be at that level. A is like Stephano, and Code S players, A+ is pretty much anyone above 2300 on Korea TLPD or 2400+ on international. Congrats on reaching B-!
What. There was quite a lot of foreigners that reached A- ..... -.-
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Gratz.is not strange for me cuz u are always a pain in our games :p
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Congratulations foldy you are the best!!!!!!
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Congrats, I'm sincerely happy for you !
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On January 13 2013 11:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster? D+/C- or so is low masters. Then the ranks increase pretty quick. I'd say C is mid/high masters, C+ is top master (top 2000NA~), B- is top top top masters top(400NA~), B is an above average GM, B+ is the very top GM, A- was rarely achieved by foreigners, but right now people like Naniwa, Thorzain, Major, Lucifrom, Vortix may be at that level. A is like Stephano, and Code S players, A+ is pretty much anyone above 2300 on Korea TLPD or 2400+ on international. Congrats on reaching B-!
Dude you're overrating the ICCUP ladder so much lol.. First of all it really depends on what time do you play, if you play at korean time it's much more harder to climb.
Secondly, there were a shit ton of foreigners reaching A-, maybe you're confused with A+..
Thirdly I reached B one season back when I played (~2007) and I never reached GM nor top master in SC2 (I played less than BW but still...), and D+/C- = master ? lol nope..
Great blog btw, make me miss the good old days
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Nice, gratz
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Congrats on B-! I really enjoyed the insight and thought process in the battle report as opposed to just having witticisms (not that there's anything wrong with wit!)
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On January 14 2013 01:48 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster? D+/C- or so is low masters. Then the ranks increase pretty quick. I'd say C is mid/high masters, C+ is top master (top 2000NA~), B- is top top top masters top(400NA~), B is an above average GM, B+ is the very top GM, A- was rarely achieved by foreigners, but right now people like Naniwa, Thorzain, Major, Lucifrom, Vortix may be at that level. A is like Stephano, and Code S players, A+ is pretty much anyone above 2300 on Korea TLPD or 2400+ on international. Congrats on reaching B-! Dude you're overrating the ICCUP ladder so much lol.. First of all it really depends on what time do you play, if you play at korean time it's much more harder to climb. Secondly, there were a shit ton of foreigners reaching A-, maybe you're confused with A+.. Thirdly I reached B one season back when I played (~2007) and I never reached GM nor top master in SC2 (I played less than BW but still...), and D+/C- = master ? lol nope.. Great blog btw, make me miss the good old days
The later you go the tougher it got, I'm not sure if you remember, but during TSL2, Nony, the winner of TSL2, was going 50/50 against B/B+ Koreans. No foreigners EVER got A+ except Idra when he was living in korea AND during the TSL. In TSL the highest ranked foreigners were A- with the exception of Mondragon who was A.
Back in 2008 I played B-, and probably if I translate the level I was able to play in SC2, I was mid/high-masters after putting a few hours a day into the game for a month or two, just remember iccup is only getting tougher, since there really isn't any new blood that is "bad".
And if you try and tell me I'm confusing it, I'll leave you with two pictures:
This years season ladder:
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Last-years season:
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Generally the end of the season points are more important as there is a build-up of points, so 5 people hit A-, which like I said "rarely achieved by foreigners".
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On January 14 2013 01:48 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:10 FiWiFaKi wrote:On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster? D+/C- or so is low masters. Then the ranks increase pretty quick. I'd say C is mid/high masters, C+ is top master (top 2000NA~), B- is top top top masters top(400NA~), B is an above average GM, B+ is the very top GM, A- was rarely achieved by foreigners, but right now people like Naniwa, Thorzain, Major, Lucifrom, Vortix may be at that level. A is like Stephano, and Code S players, A+ is pretty much anyone above 2300 on Korea TLPD or 2400+ on international. Congrats on reaching B-! Dude you're overrating the ICCUP ladder so much lol.. First of all it really depends on what time do you play, if you play at korean time it's much more harder to climb. Secondly, there were a shit ton of foreigners reaching A-, maybe you're confused with A+.. Thirdly I reached B one season back when I played (~2007) and I never reached GM nor top master in SC2 (I played less than BW but still...), and D+/C- = master ? lol nope..Great blog btw, make me miss the good old days
Everyone has different experiences with this from what I have read, but for me it definitely seems correct. I'm around D+/C- level in BW and just got a better PC and can now dabble in sc2. I literally have no idea wtf I am doing, I've watch very little and have played maybe 10-15 lifetime games of sc2. I read the very basics of some builds (i.e. I know I that in PvT 1 gate expand is common), and am easily rolling through plat/diamond players right now just making shit and a moving basically. It's hard to imagine that if I learn some builds, how to transition, and a better grasp of the micro I won't easily be masters.
Most people I know that were C/C+ in BW are now mid-high masters players in SC2 as well.
As far as the Korean time thing...that is a thing of the past. There are so few Koreans it doesn't really matter much when you play anymore.
EDIT: As far as the whole BW -> SC2 rank thing, although you can't ever say X rank = Y league it's worth noting the difference in ICCup playerbase skill. While there might be 25% C- and up on iccup, the playerbase that remained is strong. There are the occassional new players trying BW out from SC2, but not many. So what you have is a playerbase composed of people essentially diamond and up, so being in the top 25% of that is much stronger than 25 percent of a population containing tons and tons of super casual players.
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On January 13 2013 11:50 Emzeeshady wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 10:44 phosphorylation wrote:On January 13 2013 10:19 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Since I know relatively nothing about BW, anyone mind telling me if B- roughly equal to master or grandmaster? if you asked a complete newbie (to both games) to reach B- on iccup and GM on NA server respectively, I would think that achieving the former would be more difficult/less likely. wow, there are less then 200 people in B and above? thats insane
when i played iccup i was C- and towards the end of the season there were fewer than 800 NA players with a rank greater than C-. i was pretty comfortably top 900-700 masters when i averaged about 1.5 hours of SC2 a day and when i ramped up to 30+ games a day during break i played some GMs. also during release/beta i knew a couple of people who were C/C- and top 200 NA. i think pretty much everything from C and up gets compressed into GM.
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CONGRATS FOLD!!! ^_^ Always knew you could do it.
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Congratz on making it to B- !
Ohh and can you link us to your profile?
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He actually got B- by beating a Korean who's currently B with 57 - 8 ! Makes it so much sweeter :D
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"The plan was to go 2 gates before getting gas" some things never change...
Congrats on B-, you deserve it
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United Kingdom3685 Posts
I'm going to start laddering again since apparently my obs'ing sucks now. I'll race you to B.
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Nice one man! I started playing sc:bw like 1.5 months ago reaching C- on iccup (highest I ever got to was B-). I love sc:bw and I just cant seem to like sc2 that much. Will check out the reply, pvz is a very nice mu to watch!
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On January 16 2013 22:08 Sayle wrote:
I'm going to start laddering again since apparently my obs'ing sucks now. I'll race you to B.
Stream it?
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Congratulations fold! Your stream is always fun to watch. Seems like you were C- not long ago.
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EPT
