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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Black to play. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Oxb2z.png) I play Nf6 however I have no idea why when Nxe3 is better. I consider this game my best so far and yet I see this glaring mess up. I've been trying to analyze why I went Nf6 for the past hour and the only half logical move I can think of is Qxh3. The pawn on g6 is not a threat at all. Maybe I was fearing White's queen on f6/e5. I don't know but it bugging me. I'm terrible at chess though. Only ~900 at blitz on chess.com.  | ||
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Mossen
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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kutuzov11
United States1 Post
I'm not in your head, but I would think you played Nf6 out of concern for h7+. That's a scary-looking move - it puts a pawn on the seventh rank and seems to put pressure on your king - but after Kh8 there's actually very little he can do, especially after you've gotten rid of the bishop. He can't push the pawn because your king's blocking the way, can't put pressure on your king because of your excellent pawn structure on the kingside, and his queen is pinned down on the h-rank protecting a lowly pawn that can't do anything. As the game plays out, he's probably going to have to abandon the pawn on h7 if he wants his queen to be useful. Your position after Nxe3 is really good for a number of other reasons: you're threatening both Nxc2+ and (more importantly) Qxf3, the latter of which puts a bunch of pressure on his king and threatens Qf1+, netting you another rook. TLDR: Free bishops are awesome (game-winning in most cases) and you should take them unless checkmate is immanent. Edit: Also agree with toasterbaked, I don't think that spending an hour analyzing why you made a bad move (especially in a blitz game) is a productive use of time: you probably just messed up. Find the best move, understand why that's the case, and move on. | ||
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Toasterbaked
United States160 Posts
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Mossen
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
Nf6 h7+ Nxh7 is a serious blunder because then he just lines up the gun on the h-file and you're screwed. Although doing Kh8 instead of Nxh7 cancels out most of that blunder, you're now disadvantaged cause you could've ended up on Kh8 a bishop up. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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pebble444
Italy2503 Posts
I d probably go from this position with NxC3. Whatever move you do from here, Moving the Knight is the best option imo. Its frees up underscovered attack from your Queen. Unless White wants to lose a Rook you can eat that pawn(and if he stupid enough to put you in check with his pawn you just wait a turn) . Now you took 2 pawns and are dealing a real thread to his King too. I actually really like Blacks position from here. Consider one thing OP: look at your pieces. There are all working togheter at this stage of the game. with the execption of your cross board pawn and your queen. Now look at white: His pieces are not working at all togheter, he has 2 doubled pawns. Your pawn structure is excellent compared to White' s. So why worry about micro when good macro? | ||
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hoot00
United States77 Posts
Edit: I disagree with pebble I think your position could be much better, you're lucky white messed up tbh Edit: Ty for posting I enjoyed looking at your game Edit: But i agree with pebble when he says don't play blitz at low level. Play game modes where you can take your time Edit: Maybe when he played h4 you could have played ...h5 to stop the pawn. But I don't really know how that plays out. | ||
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phantomfive
Korea (South)404 Posts
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phantomfive
Korea (South)404 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 05 2013 16:22 hoot00 wrote: I was looking through this, and I found that if he had moved Qg2 instead of Qh2 he would have had a pretty good shot at mate. In that line he moves Rxg6+ if you move your knight (doesn't really matter where). And from there, well good luck lol. ...fxg6 is mate in 2 ...Kh7 is mate in 2 or 3 and if ...Kh8 white gains material(and probably a later mate). Maybe you should worry less about your blunder and more about his blunder. Go back a couple more moves and prevent that Qg2 and defend the g6 square. Edit: I disagree with pebble I think your position could be much better, you're lucky white messed up tbh Edit: Ty for posting I enjoyed looking at your game Edit: But i agree with pebble when he says don't play blitz at low level. Play game modes where you can take your time Edit: Maybe when he played h4 you could have played ...h5 to stop the pawn. But I don't really know how that plays out. Qg2 doesn't do anything. For one thing, you can just play ...Nxe3 Rxg6+ Kh8 and white is just dead. Even if not, ...Kh7 shuts down the attack. It looks to me like instead of Qh2, Kd2 is white's best move. | ||
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hoot00
United States77 Posts
Kh7 is a good move indeed, but I said if he moves his knight then it's game. If ...Kh7 then at the very least white can save the bishop | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 05 2013 19:29 hoot00 wrote: ...Nxe3 Rxg6+ ...Kh8 Qg5 and from here black is in trouble, but he still has a move to stop the mate. I personally have been searching and can't find one for black. ...Nd5. It still might be a bit dangerous, but I think that black should be able to hold on and win. | ||
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hoot00
United States77 Posts
...Nf5 Qf6+ ...Kh7 Rg7+ ...Kh8 Rxf7+ ...Kg8 h7 that's mate too edit: lol for some reason i read Nf5 but still ...Nd5 Rf6 then black has another free move but the situation is getting dire edit: i derped ...Nd5 Qe5+ Kh7 Qg7 is mate to the OP: the moral of the story is don't let enemy queen and rook on your king's file if you don't have any protection | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
If you're really that paranoid K-h7 shuts down his offensive completely. Nf6 moves your knight from a killer position to a purely defensive one with no future. | ||
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hoot00
United States77 Posts
@GolemMadness Yes, I derped again and f6 defends the second one, but we can move down the first line instead of Qe5 we move Rf6. But I'm tired of doing this so can we just say that Qg2 gives white a better chance? That's all I was pointing out. | ||
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