• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:48
CET 10:48
KST 18:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down20ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier6Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League93
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 Power Rank: epic29 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Ziemie's Starcraft 1 Prequel Campaign Bot on ladder Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Women's StarCraft] MonstarZ vs BA 2026-10-30 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Star Con San Diego 2026
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread US Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10231 users

A Stark Contrast

Blogs > ChristianS
Post a Reply
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
January 02 2013 18:21 GMT
#1
I don't know if any of you have experienced this, but I certainly have: playing in HotS, then WoL, then HotS again is a disorienting experience. WoL gameplay is all tidy, with everyone following the same script. Sure, there's the occasional player with an aggressive CC first into planetary fortress rush, or a proxy banshee into one-base battlecruisers, but even those bizarre extremes most people have seen once or twice in their SC2 careers, and everyone knows how to deal with them. HotS is the wild, wild west. For example, I get hardly any benefit from scouting, just because I have no idea what their possibilities could be anyway; I still scout just for the sake of learning what their base looks like, and then seeing what they end up doing, which won't help me this game but perhaps someday will leave me a little more informed.

It has to do with competitive games' win rates. A competitive game's wins are determined either by difference in skill between players, or chance. More specifically, difference in skill consists of the abilities and game knowledge of the one player minus the abilities and game knowledge of the other. Chance consists of game knowledge that neither player possesses because they are insufficiently skilled, or of game elements that are inherently probabilistic and insert some variance automatically. As long as the difference in skill is non-zero, wins will favor the better player; but the wins will be a lot more consistent if the skill difference is much bigger, or if the chance element is much smaller.

The chance element is much smaller in a well-studied game, because there is less game knowledge that neither player has. And Wings of Liberty has been well-studied. At this point there aren't a lot of nooks and crannies in strategy that haven't at least been given a cursory examination. Oh, there's still all the room in the world to improve, and players will do so; but one seldom sees a strategy on ladder that they haven't seen at least once. This fact is exactly what makes exhaustive studies of the game like the recently announced comprehensive PvZ guide possible.

For a while HotS was similarly predictable, because the changes were relatively few and most people followed their WoL strategies with the occasional HotS unit tossed in. But patches have radically changed this game, and to add even more complexity, the game keeps changing in beta patches. Certainly people come up with little tips and tricks to survive, but often their understandings just come out wrong. It's a world where instead of building 5 barracks with tech labs as your push moves out because you know that zergs usually get ultralisks out around 15 minutes (making that up off the top of my head, but it sounds about right), you see your opponent go ultralisks and you stop to think, ultralisks? I guess I make marauders? Or are those even good against ultralisks any more? I guess I could make tanks. Or thors. Or maybe banshees?

I say all this for a few reasons. First of all I had a few minutes to kill and decided to type out a blog I'm excited for HotS: all that new strategy to discover! Lately I've been playing a lot more WoL than HotS just because working from a script is much better for practicing macro, and mine needs it desperately; but in general I love this game most for the fun of trying to solve its strategic puzzles and find answers to the problems it presents, and we will now have ample opportunity to do so. Second, I say this to prepare people somewhat for the shock of playing in a different world if they haven't experienced HotS yet. If you're used to playing from a script, with a pre-planned response to every strategy your opponent could throw at you, then you'll have a bad time. For now, you have to play a lot more intuitively, and guess in-game what your response should be, because many strategies you will be seeing for the first time. Next time you see them, you can refine the response you tried the first time, but it will be a long and confusing time before you get a handle on what's going on.

Sorry I didn't have any pictures to break up the text. Screenshots of HotS and WoL gameplay probably would have enhanced readability, but I'm lazy. I'd like you to imagine the most mind-bogglingly awesome action shots placed between paragraphs above. Or you can imagine naked women up there, or whatever else you prefer.

*****
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2962
Rain 2764
Bisu 953
Hyuk 883
Horang2 795
Larva 246
scan(afreeca) 221
Mini 199
Soma 193
ToSsGirL 93
[ Show more ]
Killer 60
Pusan 44
sorry 27
Free 24
NaDa 24
yabsab 21
Shinee 19
Movie 17
Hm[arnc] 15
Creator 15
Noble 14
Rush 14
soO 13
Dota 2
Fuzer 100
Other Games
summit1g12242
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL23912
Other Games
gamesdonequick502
ComeBackTV 293
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 10
[ Show 9 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2275
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12m
WardiTV Invitational
2h 12m
Epic.LAN
3h 12m
IPSL
6h 12m
eOnzErG vs McRibbed
LancerX vs StRyKeR
AI Arena Tournament
7h 12m
OSC
1d 4h
Yamato Cup
1d 5h
IPSL
1d 7h
Artosis vs RiceHat
Kyrie vs Sony
Map Test Tournament
1d 13h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Ultimate Battle
2 days
Rush vs BeSt
Replay Cast
2 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.