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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 07 2012 23:42 GMT
#1
So I figured I would post a blog instead of creating a new thread.

So in general this patch I have very positive thoughts towards it. I am a zerg player so I will go through the match ups as zerg and will not comment on PvT, tvt or pvp as I don't know how those are being played in hots.

Zerg vs Zerg

So in general this match up I feel has changed towards the better and more fun. Most zvz's I have played are muta play now and while a lot of players may not like this I am loving this change. The player with better mechanics/multi tasking is going to win in the muta/ling war. It is so satisfying to send 3 groups of lings 1 to the third - nat - main while engaging his mutalisks with yours.

In general this match up feels a lot more fun to play and infestor nerf has made infestor not the mass unit anymore. Of course this could change, but as I feel right now this match up has improved for the better and is a lot more fun to play. I am curious if this will change or if mutalisks will remain dominant for awhile.

Zerg vs Terran

So this one I have had the most fun playing so far in hots since the patch. Already I have had 2 epic zvt ultra/ling/bane/viper vs bio of terran. I had a ton of fun in those games and even though I thought I was going to lose one of them, I didn't care! I was having so much fun in the game (I seriously thought I lost) I didn't care if I was going to lose this one. I haven't had that feeling really since Broodwar when you'd have those epic games that you just had a blast playing.

While I am pretty sure the terran player didn't agree and said zerg is still broken, he never went past 4 bases for some reason while I had 6-7 and by the time he decided to take his 5'th (which he could have taken a lot earlier) he was mined out of almost all his bases and I was able to win. This one was a really close one that I was just able to come back on thanks to him not expanding past a 4'th till to late.

I also love the ultra buff. You can really tell how much stronger ultralisks are now in general and think you can easily remain ultras all game long and not have to transition as long as you have viper support. I am extremely happy about this as this means tier 3 won't be broodlord focused ^_^.

In both the zvt matches vs bio they were incredibly fun action packed games. This makes me even more excited for the prospect of this match up when hots is released and korean terrans are playing.

Mech is starting to get a little more figured out how to fight it with mech. Terrans are starting to incorporate vikings and missile turrets so that vipers can't just run in and get a blinding cloud out. This will be an interesting thing to see, but I forsee the air transition being incredibly strong now. I think the best thing a zerg can do when playing mech is to make sure to have double spire and upgrading so that when you see his BC transition you can have 3-3 and not be at 0-0 to his 3-3 since air units get upgraded with mech.

In short this match up is a lot more fun to play and I can't wait to see this match up evolve when korean terrans start playing in GSL and stuff ^_^.



Zerg vs Protoss

So this match up I feel is a lot more fun then in WoL, but still kinda boring at the same time. While I am not hating zvp as much as in WoL I still am not the biggest fan of this match up.

Stargate play is as expected being opened every single zvp I have played. It's definitely a lot stronger and I played a korean toss who decimated me the first time I played vs the voidray/oracle composition. It's definitely a lot stronger then in WoL and I think carrier/voidray will be a very, very powerful army in the late game. This is all theory at the moment though as I haven't faced a toss change to air yet after initial stargate opening.

Roach/hydra/viper is very powerful and I have seen more and more tosses hallucinate colossi so that vipers can't just abduct the right ones. This means as a zerg you will want overseers so you can abduct the right ones.

In general the way I have seen tosses play vs it is immortal/chargelot/templar and this is a lot more exciting as a spectator to watch the match up then colossi and what not. I do think this match up has improved a ton from WoL as stated previously. I think this match up has more potential to be exciting then WoL zvp has ever been which is nice, but only time will tell.

I haven't tried ultralisks in this match up yet but I am going to soon as I have heard they are good vs toss to. I don't know yet but I hope this is true as I have been wanting ultralisks to be viable vs protoss since the dawn of sc2 ^_^. Can't wait to try them and see how good/bad they are in this match up.

Overall thoughts so far

So in short I am very excited for the prospect of heart of the swarm. While some of the changes may seem drastic, only time will tell on this one. I am having so much more fun in hots then I have in WoL in all match ups which is nice. I am very curious how korean pros are going to use the new units or play hots in general.

3 long months remaining and then we can see hots in GSL/proleague/etc and I think hots will be a lot better then WoL in every regard! Thanks for reading!



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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
December 08 2012 00:14 GMT
#2
Sounding promising not sure what to make of it with the forum wide idea that hots is shit though
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imJealous
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1382 Posts
December 08 2012 01:20 GMT
#3
Wtf is this, did you not get the memo? All comments regarding HotS, WoL, and the future of SC2 must be stricly doom and gloom. None of this excited-positivity... you're killing the killing esports movement.
... In life very little goes right. "Right" meaning the way one expected and the way one wanted it. One has no right to want or expect anything.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
December 08 2012 01:48 GMT
#4
Nice to see some positive notes.
+ Show Spoiler +
"you can have 3-3 and not be at 0-0 to his 3-3 since air units get upgraded with mech"
wait... did I miss something about mech and air upgrads being combined?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 08 2012 02:09 GMT
#5
On December 08 2012 10:48 y0su wrote:
Nice to see some positive notes.
+ Show Spoiler +
"you can have 3-3 and not be at 0-0 to his 3-3 since air units get upgraded with mech"
wait... did I miss something about mech and air upgrads being combined?

Yeah you must have now mech and air upgrades are the same.
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Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
December 08 2012 05:35 GMT
#6
Nice post, thanks. These are pretty much my impressions too. (I've been fiddling around with all three races at roughly a low masters level. So not nearly as good as you )

Do you consider vipers worth it if they don't go colossi? What would you build against immortal/zealot/templar?
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 08 2012 06:02 GMT
#7
Yeah I would still go vipers not many though and mainly for blinding cloud and maybe abduct on immortals. I would add banelings though for the chargelots. I have found that most effective :D

I want to try ultras though as they might be really strong ^_^
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
December 08 2012 06:08 GMT
#8
I was watching grubby's stream earlier and he was loving the patch too. Basically he was saying the new patch really opened the door for a lot more possibilities, and he has high hopes for the future, whereas WoL (at least against lower level players) is boring because there aren't really any not-so-valid-but-still-awesome strategies you could do that were a lot of fun, and in that sense is boring.
csikos27
Profile Joined May 2011
United States135 Posts
December 08 2012 08:06 GMT
#9
i agree entirely, being able to use hydralisks has a weird sense of joy to it i havn't yet found :D
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-08 10:34:16
December 08 2012 10:33 GMT
#10
Yesterday I had a match where the final unit comps were roach/hydra/viper/infestor/ultralisk vs. immortal/archon/tempar/zealot/void ray. certainly not viable, because the game was played on a lower level, but sooo much fun! (ultras just destroy zealots)
so yeah, I agree with blade's post, hots is just very cool to play now.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12698 Posts
December 08 2012 14:20 GMT
#11
I switched race to random (but my main is now terran) and I gotta say, new main race + new units + revamped units + new maps with new rocks makes the game so much more fun than wol.

all i wish is for them to make TvT less reaper focused and hopefully PvP we can still have tempest chargelot immortal ball and not just the wol style colossus ball, not sure if it still works but it sure hell was a lot more interesting
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Indrium
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2236 Posts
December 08 2012 21:20 GMT
#12
On December 08 2012 15:02 blade55555 wrote:
Yeah I would still go vipers not many though and mainly for blinding cloud and maybe abduct on immortals. I would add banelings though for the chargelots. I have found that most effective :D

I want to try ultras though as they might be really strong ^_^


Yeah I'm gonna give ultras a shot too ^^ thanks for the tips
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 08 2012 22:33 GMT
#13
So went ultra's in zvp today, FUCKING AWESOME. lol rolled his chargelot/stalker army pretty handily. It wasn't the best game to judge cause he went mass voidray so I ended up winning with ultra/ling/bane/hydra. I am pretty sure ultra may be viable vs toss though now which is ballin ^_^_^_^_^_^
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