• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:05
CET 22:05
KST 06:05
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners11Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation7Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
RSL S3 Round of 16 [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada Craziest Micro Moments Of All Time?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
Back In The Day.... BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle Terran 1:35 12 Gas Optimization BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread EVE Corporation Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1741 users

The fascination with sc2 tvp mech

Blogs > Teoita
Post a Reply
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
September 16 2012 09:27 GMT
#1
So, Hots beta is in full swing, and of course the big talk is everyone's idea that Mech has to be as viable as Bio in TvP as well.

Now, i really don't get this idea at all. Looking at Brood War Terran, they could:
TvZ: Mech or Bio, standard is actually opening Bio and switching into Mech.
TvT: Mech only
TvP: Mech mostly, can use Bio for (rare) timing attacks and that's it.

Bio only works in one matchup, and unless you go SK Terran it's also not common to head into lategame with Bio.

Compare it to sc2, where Terran can:
TvZ: Mech or Bio, both are viable. There's debate around which one is "better", but Mech has shown it can win pro matches given the right maps and builds.
TvT: Mech or Bio. Both work, often it comes down to player style and map choice again.
TvP: Bio. Mech has been tried and it has kinda worked, sometimes, sort of, but mostly, people agree Bio is far superior.

When you look at it, sc2 Terran actually has more playstyle options (in terms of Mech vs Bio) than BW Terran, which is more or less forced into Mech in two out of three matchups.
So, again, why exactly do people want TvP mech to work so desperately (please leave balance arguments aside)?
Because of the whole P deathball vs T Bio harassment thing not producing good games a lot of the time? Arguably that's a Protoss (*cough* Colossus *cough*) issue that has nothing to do with Mech
Because it feels "bw esque"? Again, Mech is viable in other matchups, so i don't get this argument either.

Any opinions?

*
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
netherh
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom333 Posts
September 16 2012 12:06 GMT
#2
I've not played the beta at all but...

Isn't TvT bio just as viable in hots as sc2? The warhound's been removed now (I think?), so the only different thing is widow mines, which have so far proved pretty bad.

I also don't see that bio has got harder vs Protoss. Sure, everyone was going mech, but that was because the warhound was completely imbalaned. Without the warhound, won't mech just be the same as in sc2? Not sure that the new Protoss units would make bio play harder anyway.
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
September 16 2012 12:07 GMT
#3
Because mech is far cooler than bio. Siege tanks are one of the most awesome units of all time. Period. It also has a nice dynamic in the game, being immobile and the other side having to constantly harass going up against the inherent turtle style of mech whose defensive capabilities are its strength. To me it all comes down to the marauder. It's a unit that's just so out of place. It just doesn't fit. It's tanky, does a lot of damage and has a slow spell?! It's a human being for fucks sake, not a machine. Actually the warhound makes more sense than the marauder (Can't believe I'm saying this) because it's a robot. In the end Siege tanks are just cooler than all of the above.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 14:03:46
September 16 2012 13:59 GMT
#4
Mech is alot more fun to play and feels more terran-esque

i hate bio in TvP, could be because im a former bw player and feels like mech should be played vs P ^^

edit: also i hate the marauder, have done since the WoL beta and i rarely use it (only if i have to)
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
September 16 2012 15:43 GMT
#5
I never get the 'mech is more fun' argument. Bio means you're constantly attacking, harrassing, dropping, expanding, splitting and generally running around like a madman. Mech usually means you're turtling, and maybe sending out groups of hellions to try to sneak into mineral lines from time to time. Then, when the epic 1 battle finally happens, there's not much micro besides focus firing w/ your tanks, and its over in 5 seconds. Mech is boring, at least comparitively.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-16 17:17:47
September 16 2012 17:16 GMT
#6
The BW tank is definitely an amazing unit. In sc2 it's not nearly as "indipendent" though; what i mean by that is, sc2 mech is more about getting a 3 base deathball and killing the other guy, and less about space control and positioning like bw mech. You can spread out a tank line to control multiple bases on a map in bw, while that's a lot harder in sc2.
That means that bio in my opinion actually gives you more opportunities to outplay your opponent thanks to your mobility and harassment potential, while in bw you can outplay your opponent through both harassment and strong push mechanics and positioning. That part is lacking in sc2.

I do agree that mech feels more terran-esque, but for sc2 terran to play like bw terran, lots of mechanics would have to be changed (high ground advantage, siege tanks, etc etc).
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
September 16 2012 17:27 GMT
#7
it's because people want vulture tank feel but play sc2.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 55m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 308
UpATreeSC 217
IndyStarCraft 205
Livibee 109
BRAT_OK 83
ZombieGrub77
JuggernautJason42
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2009
Shuttle 473
Barracks 119
sas.Sziky 82
hero 61
Rock 41
Killer 34
ivOry 13
NaDa 9
Sexy 2
Dota 2
Dendi1179
syndereN162
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Foxcn478
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King63
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu474
Other Games
Grubby4754
DeMusliM539
C9.Mang074
Trikslyr48
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 16
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 41
• 80smullet 14
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2227
• lizZardDota249
League of Legends
• imaqtpie3172
• TFBlade1172
Other Games
• WagamamaTV395
• Shiphtur273
Upcoming Events
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
1h 55m
The PondCast
12h 55m
RSL Revival
12h 55m
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
14h 55m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Cure
Reynor vs TBD
WardiTV Korean Royale
14h 55m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 12h
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
1d 14h
herO vs TBD
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
IPSL
2 days
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
BSL 21
2 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL 21
3 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
3 days
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.