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TrippSC2
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States209 Posts
September 11 2012 00:39 GMT
#21
On September 11 2012 04:46 TORTOISE wrote:
There is no such thing as an all in.

It is an illusion.

The SC2 fanbase latched onto this notion of "all ins are bad" early into SC2's life, poopularized by Grack Fields who was quick to ridicule anyone who attacked him. It was for good reason, however, that Grack took this stance. Early SC2 was almost purely 1 base play, quick attacks on very small maps.

Sadly, as SC2 grew and the metagame shifted toward favoring macro play, the fan base was unable to let go of their negative views of "all ins". The collective fanbase silently took "no rush 20 minute" to be the be-all, end-all of standard play. Any aggression and you were a "cheesy faggot" and needed to "learn to play" and should even "uninstall, you baddy-poo-poo-trash".

There was and is plenty of all in play in Brood War, and it's a legitimate way to play. I think we as a community need to let go of our unnecessary fear of "all ins" and start using them more. For fun. Or science.

There are several plays that are most definitely all-ins. I'm not looking to debate the value of that style of play, more looking for a community opinion on the plays that are in the grey area (risky, but not necessarily putting the game on the line with one play).

I will say that I agree that, at least the NA ladder, has a very distorted view in general about all-ins with a very negative connotation. In my opinion, it is just as valid of a way to play as any other. I do wish that I saw less of them, though because I don't feel like I work on other aspects of my game as much as I'd like while laddering.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
September 11 2012 01:05 GMT
#22
All-ins are all-ins.
But you can be all-in without doing an all in.
Like-wise, since an all-in doesn't require you to kill your opponent, just put you back on an equal playing field (at the very least), an all-in can transition to no longer being all-in.
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