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Musings on the sponsorship situation in Korea - Page 2

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Risljaninasim
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands228 Posts
August 28 2012 16:40 GMT
#21
Totalbiscuit knows his stuff.
;;
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
August 28 2012 16:41 GMT
#22
I've always compared the American/Korean Scene to real life situation in the world of Football (soccer) where the English Premiership players are severely overpaid, the same goes to a minority in the America's MLS whereas the actual best in the world are playing in Spain on half the wages of the English players.

Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
August 28 2012 16:42 GMT
#23
It's ironic how vital USA is to e-sports, yet how much we suck at it. If e-sports dies out in the USA there's not enough money/popularity to keep it going in Europe and Asia, because the americans are a large part of the audience cheering on Naniwa and Stephano and watching ads.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
August 28 2012 16:43 GMT
#24
On August 29 2012 01:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 01:33 jeeeKyy wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:32 Lineridarz wrote:
I like the idea, but you're no doubt going to see a drop in viewer numbers. Good luck.



Drop in viewer numbers ? Why so ?


Because some fans wanna see white-dudes win.

The fact of the matter is that there just isn't the interest in anything outside the "BIG PLAYERS"

It's really really really hard to sell an event that doesn't have the ultimate top tier players (popularity wise) to the general viewing audience.

Trust me, I've tried. The viewership interest just isn't there for the players. Perhaps with someone like TB behind the tournament he might have enough fans to pull it through, but as far as Korean players go, if you're not a GSL winner it's really hard to get people interested in you.

Maybe if there were some way to get interview content or something out during the tournament, it might be another step in the right direction, but from my experience it's really really tough to get people interested in "just another Korean player".

Not to say what it looks like the Brit plans on doing isn't a good thing, I'm just saying it's going to be really hard to generate the same interest you get with the big foreign names just simply because the face isn't there.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
August 28 2012 16:43 GMT
#25
On August 29 2012 01:33 LuckyFool wrote:
Sc2 still just isn't that popular in Korea compared to bw.

Just look at GSL live events/finals. They don't even nearly compare to bw finals which in their peak were exceeding over 10k live audiences. If I were a sponsor getting involved in something that just isn't popular in my country seems so risky. Not sure how or if it will change, bw fans are being force fed Sc2 now with the removal/switch of OSL and Proleague to SC2 but it remains to be seen if they will actually make the switch or just jump ship.

From the way many fans approached the final BW OSL, I think more people are going to jump ship than most people here would think or like. Many were treating this as THE FINAL STARLEAGUE and had banners and signs that thanked the OSL for the memories and the games.

In the meanwhile, the Azubu LoL Champions Finals between CLG.EU and Azubu Frost is taking place at the Peace Square at the War Memorial, the same place as the Jinair OSL Finals. The difference? Ongamenet actually auctioned off 4000 of the seats online, something which was never done for BW Finals in over a decade.
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Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
August 28 2012 16:44 GMT
#26
We certainly do need more ways of promoting sponsors through more visual means, and yeah valve is leading the way through DOTA 2, it even happened in Starcraft 1 where the maps for the Pringles (?) MSL had the pringles logo imposed on the bridges, even maps for proleague have the shinhan bank logo on them sometimes.
I'm glad that your making an effort for more team sponsorship logos on your events TB, its down to us a community to support not only tournament title sponsors, but also team sponsors, and like alot of things in starcraft's long history, if we wait around for blizzard to do it, it will never get done.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
August 28 2012 16:46 GMT
#27
TB, with the recent kespa drama, do you think KeSPA would get in the way of top players competing in your hypothetical online tournaments?
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
August 28 2012 16:46 GMT
#28
good read

this needs to be done classy and carefully - Go4SC2, for example, could never show an AMD banner; a lot of similar possible conflicts of interest exist - but indeed, sponsors need more screen time

in-game decal logos would be fantastic

Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 16:49:04
August 28 2012 16:48 GMT
#29
On August 29 2012 01:46 Snoodles wrote:
TB, with the recent kespa drama, do you think KeSPA would get in the way of top players competing in your hypothetical online tournaments?

Yes absolutely.
Kespa probably won't let its players participate in his invitationals.
In any case, if TB's aim is to help the poor then he should be focusing on ESF teams anyways.
Maddhatter1
Profile Joined November 2011
United States51 Posts
August 28 2012 16:49 GMT
#30
good post with good ideas, sponsors getting their logos in-game is a great move from Valve

it also reminds me of TLs tournament pages, which have big icons with links to all the major sponsors at the top, not just the ones TL also supports themselves, just a good move
n0ise
Profile Joined April 2010
3452 Posts
August 28 2012 16:49 GMT
#31
On August 29 2012 01:43 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 01:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:33 jeeeKyy wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:32 Lineridarz wrote:
I like the idea, but you're no doubt going to see a drop in viewer numbers. Good luck.



Drop in viewer numbers ? Why so ?


Because some fans wanna see white-dudes win.

The fact of the matter is that there just isn't the interest in anything outside the "BIG PLAYERS"

It's really really really hard to sell an event that doesn't have the ultimate top tier players (popularity wise) to the general viewing audience.

Trust me, I've tried. The viewership interest just isn't there for the players. Perhaps with someone like TB behind the tournament he might have enough fans to pull it through, but as far as Korean players go, if you're not a GSL winner it's really hard to get people interested in you.

Maybe if there were some way to get interview content or something out during the tournament, it might be another step in the right direction, but from my experience it's really really tough to get people interested in "just another Korean player".

Not to say what it looks like the Brit plans on doing isn't a good thing, I'm just saying it's going to be really hard to generate the same interest you get with the big foreign names just simply because the face isn't there.


A regular korean stop, with good commentary and decent prize money is bound to draw a lot of viewers, granted that the scheduling is done right and there's some hyping there.

Also, as koreans play cross-server, foreigners will also try and get a piece in, so it won't be a completely "isolated" event.
MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
August 28 2012 16:50 GMT
#32
On August 29 2012 01:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 01:28 drsnuggles wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
1) The sponsorship situation in Korea is worse than I thought and the only team that is really well sponsored right now is LG-IM (none of them mentioned FXO though I assume they are doing well too atm)

Calling BS, team MVP is sponsored by Lotte which is "kind of a motherfucking big company", to say the least.


Ok well every Korean I spoke to at this event said the same thing "only well sponsored team is LG-IM". I'd also suggest that Lotte is not a great sponsor to have when Korea isn't watching SC2 enough and Lotte operates in S.Korea and Japan. Lotte ROI in the US and Europe is as a result, zero.

LG on the other hand sells worldwide.


But Lotte 2% is Delicious .3. but the only people purchasing it in USA are really the koreans who live here. Love being that one white guy in the korean food mart. Frolicking through the isles as k-pop plays in the back ground.
we all hope to be like whitera one day
BlitchizSC2
Profile Joined August 2010
United States306 Posts
August 28 2012 16:50 GMT
#33
On August 29 2012 01:46 n0ise wrote:
good read

this needs to be done classy and carefully - Go4SC2, for example, could never show an AMD banner; a lot of similar possible conflicts of interest exist - but indeed, sponsors need more screen time

in-game decal logos would be fantastic



Tweet @blizzardcs and @starcraft and whoever you can think of with this idea.
www.twitch.tv/blitchizsc2 | http://www.youtube.com/BlitchizStarcraft ~ fighting!
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
August 28 2012 16:50 GMT
#34
I fully support your idea for another Online cup in korea and sponsors it will just do the scene good thx TB
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
spbelky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States623 Posts
August 28 2012 16:50 GMT
#35
This issue is the result of two parties failing to communicate and collaborate (Team Managers, and Tournament Organizers).

Team Managers and Tournament Organizers need to be openly communicating their needs.

Team Manager to Tournament Organizer, "Hey, my sponsors need exposure, here are the .png's I'd like you to put on your overlay when my players an being featured, and here is the .png I'd like you to play if he wins. In return, I will provide you quality players who show up on time and provide quality games for you to cast!"
or
Tournament Organizer to Team Manager, "Hello, I have an online tournament coming up and I'd like to enlist a few of your A-Team players to participate. The event runs from Date/time to Date/time, and here is a link for the format and rules. If you could provide a roster of available players and their appropriate sponsorship images, I think we can put together a great event!"
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
August 28 2012 16:51 GMT
#36
On August 29 2012 01:38 BlitchizSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2012 01:35 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:33 jeeeKyy wrote:
On August 29 2012 01:32 Lineridarz wrote:
I like the idea, but you're no doubt going to see a drop in viewer numbers. Good luck.



Drop in viewer numbers ? Why so ?


Because some fans wanna see white-dudes win.



Personally I think the savior of esports is IdrA. If he was to win GSL I think it would cause a huge shake up in Korea and in west. Korea loves bad boy Greg. I'm hoping he decides to go back to Korea and be the sAviOr we all know he can be


fighting~


Good point. If a one handed African American woman wins an MLG, that would be great for the African American SC2-scene as well.
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lnstantly
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom23 Posts
August 28 2012 16:54 GMT
#37
I have always enjoyed your content, both through your Youtube channel and SHOUTcraft tournaments and other casting. But recently, with you sponsoring CranK and bringing him to MLG, and then letting him and SlayerSRyung stay with you. I know that Genna was responsible for some of this as well, but i think that you two are doing amazing things for this community. i wish you the best of luck and I will continue to support you in whatever way i can!
Axiom + Liquid <3
justalex
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
August 28 2012 16:56 GMT
#38
This kind of explains why I keep seeing SlayerS players being flung at the NASL qualifiers. Playing cross-server sucks, but if you can sneak a few more players into international tournaments you get a little more exposure to investors and/or ROI for current investors (are they sponsored by Intel, or was it just BoxeR?)
Zhazulo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden226 Posts
August 28 2012 16:56 GMT
#39
A great move, stimulating an area of eSports which is in much need of help.

Thank you, TB! A great blog!
andyrew42
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1 Post
August 28 2012 16:56 GMT
#40
Presuming that it isn't going to be Korean teams only, this is great for not only the Korean scene but the foreigner scene aswell. A thing most foreign players say when asked if they would go to Korea is that they're isn't enough tournaments for them to justify a long stay as they're losing out on potential prize money. Gogo TB
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