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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 31 2012 11:27 GMT
#21
On July 31 2012 20:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:
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On July 31 2012 19:09 Fishgle wrote:
i thought the go-to passive aggressive term for sc2 was star2?


... no, I don't get how that's supposed to be insulting either.

It's how Koreans call SC2. Instead of saying Starcraft 2 over and over again, they just say 'Star 2'. Much easier for them.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 11:31:04
July 31 2012 11:30 GMT
#22
On July 31 2012 20:27 jpak wrote:
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On July 31 2012 20:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:
On July 31 2012 19:09 Fishgle wrote:
i thought the go-to passive aggressive term for sc2 was star2?


... no, I don't get how that's supposed to be insulting either.

It's how Koreans call SC2. Instead of saying Starcraft 2 over and over again, they just say 'Star 2'. Much easier for them.

Indeed. Starcraft sounds like 2 vowels in English, but in Korean it is actually 6 vowels (Starcraft -> Su-Ta-Ku-Rae-Pu-Tu). Using a 2-vowel word that has the same meaning clearly is a lot easier for them.
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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 31 2012 11:32 GMT
#23
I don't think the word itself is insulting or even has a history, it's just the context, I just saw it as a pun. I often write "I play SC Too!" or "I just beat you at x and I can at Sc too!" just to have a laugh with local players and confuse them as to which game i'm talking about.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 31 2012 11:48 GMT
#24
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50625 Posts
July 31 2012 12:02 GMT
#25
On July 31 2012 20:48 krndandaman wrote:
still no one explains how 'sc too' is insulting..
am I the only one who has no idea why it's insulting? even after looking at where it originated from I still don't get how it's offensive at all.


because it isn't insulting.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 12:07:21
July 31 2012 12:05 GMT
#26
On July 31 2012 20:48 krndandaman wrote:
still no one explains how 'sc too' is insulting..
am I the only one who has no idea why it's insulting? even after looking at where it originated from I still don't get how it's offensive at all.

N-word is not a universal insult either. If it actually was, black people wouldn't use that word for other black people. When a black person uses the word, it's cool; when a white person uses the word, it's an insult.

Back to ScToo, when a BW player/fanboy/forumgoer/anyone who actually has seen BW even for a milisecond uses it, it becomes an insult. When someone who is a completely stranger to BW uses it, it is nothing to care about.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
July 31 2012 12:16 GMT
#27
I find it peculiar as well, it just seems like a sort of immature misspelling designed to be passive-aggressive towards SC2. Of course you can't prove any of this, but oh well.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1341 Posts
July 31 2012 12:27 GMT
#28
I think people find it insulting because it was picked up from a kind of ignorant SC2 poster. So I guess people who don't like it feel that they're being put in the same category as him just because they like the same game. I guess that's understandable but a little over-sensitive in my view.

I personally don't say it because I don't think it's clever or interesting, but I've seen a few posters that I like use it and it didn't change my opinion of them at all.
Sayle
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom3685 Posts
July 31 2012 12:31 GMT
#29
I like it. It helps me filter out and ignore bad posts/posters. When I'm skimming through a thread, I can immediatly ignore any post that contains 'SCToo'. Same way I ignore any poster that uses alternating caps in their name.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
July 31 2012 12:44 GMT
#30
Why does no one in this thread know what passive-agressive means. If this is insulting, it's purely aggressive (or a better word would be bitter). Please don't throw around accusations of passive-aggressive behaviour so lightly... Look it up at the very least. It does not simply mean subtle / not straight forward / not blunt aggression.

It is even worse than when people throw around the word entitlement. You don't even know what you're saying.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
July 31 2012 12:52 GMT
#31
On July 31 2012 21:44 Chef wrote:
Why does no one in this thread know what passive-agressive means. If this is insulting, it's purely aggressive (or a better word would be bitter). Please don't throw around accusations of passive-aggressive behaviour so lightly... Look it up at the very least. It does not simply mean subtle / not straight forward / not blunt aggression.

It is even worse than when people throw around the word entitlement. You don't even know what you're saying.

"expressing aggression in non-assertive, passive or indirect ways" says wiki, so how are we not using it correctly?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 13:04:52
July 31 2012 12:55 GMT
#32
passive and indirect, meaning the person you're being aggressive to doesn't know the cause of it. It's basically a mental illness to commit passive aggressive behaviour because it means you don't know how to resolve conflict so you just take revenge without the person knowing where the revenge is coming from. Like being angry with a person and being rude to them but then when they ask why you say everything is fine. Or you don't wish someone a happy birthday on purpose to make them feel bad because you're mad at them, but if they bring it up you say you just forgot.

PS: wiki is not the best source of information. It's a starting point, but it's not where you should go for citing facts...
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
July 31 2012 13:05 GMT
#33
BLinD-RawR is spot on about the origin of SCToo, Stregon (who has since been nuked) just started randomly typing SCToo instead of SC2 consistently.

This thread is less about memes anymore, and more about useless bashing between Sc:Bw and ScToo..

ScToo players are eating that game up, even though there is no hard lined proof that lllllll is flash, and anyways the fat protoss man had to pp and lie about getting the door to give him time to regroup after the assault from Terran.. I think if protoss didnt pp with a weak lie, he would have lost, because he was clearly rattled...


It was incredibly random. I found it amusing.


I am absolutely going to refer to SCToo as SCToo from now on.


And finally the great ASM left his mark.

If you try and say it backwards really fast, it sounds like a rave.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 13:09:19
July 31 2012 13:07 GMT
#34
On July 31 2012 21:55 Chef wrote:
passive and indirect, meaning the person you're being aggressive to doesn't know it. It's basically a mental illness to commit passive aggressive behaviour because it means you don't know how to resolve conflict so you just take revenge without the person knowing where the revenge is coming from. Like slashing someone's tires without them knowing you did it or why. There is nothing indirect or passive about the bitterness expressed by posters who dislike what SC2 did to BW.

PS: wiki is not the best source of information. It's a starting point, but it's not where you should go for citing facts...

I see no reason to doubt the wiki page on this. It still fits with the whole SCToo thing, which is kind of confusing, indirect, deliberate and hostile. (depending on your interpretation)

In any case, I'll not argue this with you further. If you feel very strongly about your interpretation then I won't convince you otherwise.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
July 31 2012 14:45 GMT
#35
On July 31 2012 20:48 krndandaman wrote:
still no one explains how 'sc too' is insulting..
am I the only one who has no idea why it's insulting? even after looking at where it originated from I still don't get how it's offensive at all.



It's used by "hardcore" BW fans in a patronizing way as to remind any people reading it that they believe BW to be the better game. In the same vein they refuse to call SC2 units by their real names in the PL LR threads, calling colossi tripods, phoenixes sairs etcetera. It's obnoxious because even when you prefer BW over SC2, there's no reason to constantly be in everyone's face about it.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 14:57:09
July 31 2012 14:56 GMT
#36
On July 31 2012 23:45 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 20:48 krndandaman wrote:
still no one explains how 'sc too' is insulting..
am I the only one who has no idea why it's insulting? even after looking at where it originated from I still don't get how it's offensive at all.



It's used by "hardcore" BW fans in a patronizing way as to remind any people reading it that they believe BW to be the better game. In the same vein they refuse to call SC2 units by their real names in the PL LR threads, calling colossi tripods, phoenixes sairs etcetera. It's obnoxious because even when you prefer BW over SC2, there's no reason to constantly be in everyone's face about it.


Oh you forgot X10A coined the word "ground stasis" and also marauders as "football players".This really reminded me in my days when cs source was patronized by die hard cs 1.6 player calling cs "Sauce" or source and yet no blood was spilled and merely shrug off as a joke by both scene . Bottom line is it's kind of hard for bw fans identify the units in sc2 and forcefields looks like stasis and hence the creation of "ground stasis" and the list goes on . Have to agree with colossus sc2 as tripod though because it really does look like one to me .

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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8159 Posts
July 31 2012 15:20 GMT
#37
I never understood typing it like that. just seeing SC2 or sc2 is enough to make me sick to my stomach already. you don't need to type it in a cute way.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 16:49:05
July 31 2012 16:45 GMT
#38
On July 31 2012 20:11 Djagulingu wrote:
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On July 31 2012 14:40 L_Master wrote:
I was curious about this as well.

All I remember is, some notoriously diehard SC2 fanboy, who probably spent negative amount of time trying to at least have an idea what BW is*, used it on "Unimpressed Flash Meme" thread, BW forumgoers found it funny and started using it as an insult to SC2 (like white people using the N-Word for black people).

* Considering how much of a place BW had in Korean culture and the e-sports phenomenon and how highly ex-BW current SC2 progamers speak about BW, what the guy said was blatantly stupid and had no other purpose than launching a direct attack on something he doesn't know and want to spend time knowing about.

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On July 31 2012 19:09 Fishgle wrote:
i thought the go-to passive aggressive term for sc2 was star2?

The term Star2 has been around since the open season 1. After the release of WoL, the term "BW" has been replaced by "SC1" and then "Star1" and Starcraft 2 is shortened into Star 2. The first time I heard that term was in the championship ceremony of either open season 1 or 2. The champion and Mr.Chae were refered as "Jeon Star1 Hyeon Star2 progamer" which is translated into "Former Star1, current Star2 progamer" (It is my translation and John actually translated it as "Former Starcraft 1 and now Starcraft 2 progamer"). Then, I heard that term a lot during OGN's WCG casts. That term was used a lot back then, probably for explaining SC2-specific stuff.

what? I still use BW always when talking about Brood War.

As for the "ScToo", I wouldn't take it as far to say it is on the same correlation as the N-word to black people. I've never used it, never will. I think its stupid and SC2 people think it like an insult. But come on, you can't really expect every SCBW person to be nice to SC2 people...

EDIT:
On July 31 2012 23:45 Saechiis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2012 20:48 krndandaman wrote:
still no one explains how 'sc too' is insulting..
am I the only one who has no idea why it's insulting? even after looking at where it originated from I still don't get how it's offensive at all.



It's used by "hardcore" BW fans in a patronizing way as to remind any people reading it that they believe BW to be the better game. In the same vein they refuse to call SC2 units by their real names in the PL LR threads, calling colossi tripods, phoenixes sairs etcetera. It's obnoxious because even when you prefer BW over SC2, there's no reason to constantly be in everyone's face about it.

Disagree completely. I've personally never said these things. If I were to, and what I think most people use them for, is because they are more familiar with them and don't care about unit names in SC2. Is it WRONG to not follow a game and not learn its name? And as for your ending sentence, I can say the same thing about SC2 fans. Let me put it into words you'll understand by using your own sentence as an example. "It's obnoxious because even when you prefer SC2 over BW, there's no reason to constantly tell us our game is dying.
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jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
July 31 2012 16:54 GMT
#39
"STARCRAFT 2 IS STARCRAFT, TOO!!"

Now you know how I use SCToo.
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LCC
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada348 Posts
July 31 2012 17:07 GMT
#40
Yeah it's considered insulting because it's implying that SC2 wants to be Starcraft too, but falls short.
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