Top30 Foreigners (July 2012)

On July 13 2012 01:59 KalWarkov wrote:

All we saw from MajOr in the last 6 months was the win of a TSL qualifier - players like Kas and Beasty achieved that as well - and probably 20 other things in that amount of time. How can u even argue about him being "the best non korean terran"?
I dont like to judge by feelings too much, i judge by results first. My impression of him is greater than "rank 30" obviously, but that goes for many players. Its always a mix of:
1. current results
2. results in the past year
3. overall impression
4. estimated talent of the player


dont get me wrong, i like u guys arguing about the list - thats what its made for

On July 13 2012 01:59 KalWarkov wrote:


hm.
if you include zikto, JRecco, Killer, Babyknight, Vortix and Naama - who do you exclude? Its 30 players. it will remain 30 players. i cant make it 35 just to mention more names.

Thats what the "following 20" are for - and all the names u mentioned are listed there.

Oh and about IdrA - who of those would u think could 3-0 a group with Bly (who many ppl argued not being on the last list since he killed tons of koreans in teamleagues), ClouD, BlinG so easily?
You may like or hate him, but by watching his play, it simply wouldnt be fair to not list him at all.

On July 13 2012 01:55 KalWarkov wrote:


talent-wise - of course.

but watch his TLPD: He gets invited to many things and plays great games against top notch players. He even wins some maps. But to be honest, he also loses all of them in the end.
Its hard times for terrans, he still didnt achieve anything major since his IPL4 run if you watch his results closely.

On July 13 2012 07:59 NrGmonk wrote:

My argument relies not much on his current results, but rather two other factors. First, I never thought you properly accounted for his results at IPL and those MLGs, which I mentioned in previous iterations of your rankings. This goes beyond just illusion, as I feel that you tend to lean towards the conservative side of things when you do these rankings. That is, you're reluctant to push people up or down too much in a given month. For example, I believe you're keeping players like Select, Morrow, and Demuslim a bit too high based on their previous skill/result, while they haven't been preforming nearly as well recently. Which brings me to my other point. Rather than Illusion moving up, I just think a lot of players should be moved down a lot, such as those I mentioned previously, because they've had really poor results recently. If you want to talk about TLPDs, look at any one of those players' TLPDs I mentioned previously. In the same token, imo Idra should have been put much lower the last few months, but he did somewhat decently at HSC. Also, I question what Nightend has done in the last few months.

Anyways, good job with the ranks. I personally think any ranking made by just one person will have biases, but you pretty much did the best job I could imagine, and I'm just nit picking.

TLDR: Didn't appropriately raise Illusion in previous months, also imo other players are too high rather than Illusion too low
General criticism: rankings don't change enough month to month

PS: With regards to the comment on TL Power Rankings, those rankings are meant to hype and entertain as well as rank. That's why you have somewhat questionable calls like putting Symbol and DRG together. If we get you to comment, talk, and somewhat complain, then it's working. ^.~

Also, it's really really hard to rank Koreans and foreigners together. For a fun exercise for anyone reading this, try to rank any one of Monster, Sniper, Dream, asd, Lure, and jks in here. O_O This is about the time I kinda give up and start writing about pokemon.

On July 14 2012 08:53 OKMarius wrote:
First of all, loving these lists. Keep up the good work! Completely agree with top 9, gets harder after that...

I'd switch Dimaga and Lucifron, due to Dimaga's silver medal in Dreamhack in june, and Lucifron not really doing anything noteworthy of late..

Dunno if Socke really deserves to climb up a spot after a bad showing at Homestorycup...Socke and Hasuobs seem very evenly matched to me, hard to say which is better.

ToD, Titan and Nightend has also looked quite unimpressive lately sadly. :/

On July 14 2012 09:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Agreed with the other guy, this ranking is way too conservative. Your process of ranking is "if they don't get top 4 then I'm not switching spots". Seriously, some of these guys are way outdated and a lot of the other guys deserve many more spots right now. Select for one, but he's not the only one. Illusion deserves to be much higher on that list, invite or not, if idra was the one who beat some of the players he did I guarantee you'd have put idra in the top 10. And uhh, morrow? Not to mention beastyqt? Horrible spots for each of them.

On July 14 2012 03:55 00Visor wrote:
@NrgMonk: You want the ranking to be more based on recent results (I agree), but you want Illusion placed higher because of IPL and MLG?
If you look at Illusion results since beginning June, he had a 41% winrate, winning series against STX, Bubbles, Binski, Hawk, Clue, Chobittsu and theognis. He only recently beat good players in Select and Sheth during the TSL qualifier (not accounted in TLPD). I think Illusion is pretty well placed around ~30.

On July 15 2012 03:09 00Visor wrote:


Look at my post. If you want a less conservative ranking, you can't place Illusion very high.
Select didnt do anything besides decent runs in the TSL.
Please have less european/american bias. Thats not only for you.