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Bobo_XIII
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States429 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 04:47:42
June 26 2012 23:58 GMT
#1
I began summer classes recently and am surprisingly seeing a lot of familiar faces from the old unit I was with in this college I'm currently attending. It's great to be able to again shoot the shit with them about old stories and incidents that happened in the past without having to conceal anything or fluff stuff up. Generally, when I talk about my deployment experiences with others, I have to sugarcoat things or sidestep entirely around the issue because people just wouldn't understand how things are, or alternately would just be absolutely appalled and I'd be a fucking lunatic primal caveman in their eyes, liable to end up murdering other members in society for some arbitrary or disgusting reason. I can empathize (though still disagree with) with the latter, because there are some pretty fucked up things about "combat."

It's funny when you discuss war with other people, because if you experience it firsthand, you are very mindful of some of the really fucked up things about it and are reluctant to say anything of substance about it. I myself have posted a few blogs about it here, but they're the more 'G-rated' and audience-friendly experiences about stuff that is easier to accept and digest. I've considered posting other things I've written, but because I usually write as a means of therapy when I'm riding on the throes of emotion, some of it is beyond fucked up. People would lose their faith in human beings if they read some of it, I think.

There is also the peculiar phenomenon of people who have deployed telling 'war stories' about 'being in the sandbox,' when many times a lot of these peoples' 'combat experiences' are relegated to staying inside the FOB working support, periodically maybe having to take cover in makeshift bunkers around the FOB because of an impending mortar attack. It's kind of pathetic to see so many veterans take advantage of their experiences and willingness to glamorize essentially nothing, and have people eat this shit up and give sympathy and thank them for their service. These ex-military people paint a distorted view of what "combat" is, and because of this I feel like the general public would be more likely to consider the more 'real' experiences of war fighters and their feelings about the subject the exception, and likely to shun them for feeling the way they do about stuff. I don't doubt that some folks are scarred even though they 'never left the wire' and may have some form of PTSD that they suffer from, but I do doubt the extent of some of these peoples' claims because of the inherent disposition of human beings to glamorize exclusive experiences simply because they hold the trump card of 'having been there and done that, and you haven't.'

One of (if not the biggest) 'secrets' of "combat" is the appeal of firefights, more particular the act of killing somebody. Before I go any further, I want to elaborate a little bit on "combat" because I feel like it requires some expansion. A lot of people like to group this word in some vague generality that encompasses all facets of warfare, but I feel like there are varying degrees of it. On one end, there is killing somebody from the safety of a room halfway around the world while you remotely control a flying unmanned drone. You don't see the actual corpses or smell the bloat and gunpowder or taste the spurts of blood (and other organic matter) that accidentally fly into your mouth, nor are you ever in any danger of yourself being killed. It's totally impersonal. At the other end of the spectrum, there is killing somebody with a blunt object or knife or your hands. You feel the vibrations of your arm and instrument impacting on the other person as you strike him, feel the texture of his organs through your knife as you eviscerate him or his bones crack as you snap his neck. I feel like a person's "combat" experience is defined by the intimacy and level of danger to the parties involved. A lot of my experiences with "combat" have dealt with small arms exchanges, so it is in this context that I will refer to combat as.

Try and follow along with some of the sentiments I felt: during your adolescence when you start to pay more attention to the human condition, you feel that despite peoples' inherent right to life and liberty, some of them revoke that right by their actions and intentions and aren't being held accountable. You see the beheading videos of Americans and you drink the koolaid that Iraq and Afghanistan are indeed where 'the terrorists' are hiding and concocting plots to strike at the free world again, and you feel compelled to do something about it. You daydream while in basic training of actually being in a firefight, and how it actually goes down. On the flight into country on your first deployment, you wonder if you honest-to-god have it in you to pull the trigger to shoot another human being. On the first mission you receive contact, you get fucking pissed that these assholes have it in them to try and kill you and your mates. While performing the maneuvers and small-scale actions that you rehearsed over and over back in the states, the sole thing in your mind in that exact moment is to take out the person (or people) threatening you and delivering him to his fate, which is to die with a face so mutilated by bullets that he is unrecognizable to his loved ones. You do it out of concentrated rage and of the intent of preserving the lives of your mates, who in your eyes are more deserving of life than these lunatics (lol irony).

You know how when you're in your element on Starcraft? When every flick of the mouse is the most geometrically efficient movement possible, when every click is 100% accurate, when every decision is the very best decision you could ever make in that given situation, when you feel like you're playing on the slower speed setting because of how at peace and clear your perspective on the game is... when you feel invincible. You're the fuckin unstoppable force; nobody can touch you. You're in absolute and total control.

That's the best analogy I can give when you're killing somebody who is attempting to kill you, only the setting isn't ritualized digital warfare, but actual warfare. You're so honed in on the moment, so full of focus and clarity that you feel as if you're about to transcend and see past the air molecules that your body maneuvers through and into the fabrics of time and space and the cosmos itself, infused with such divine purpose and raw will in that exact moment that it is a near religious experience. When you have positioned yourself correctly and your enemy exposes himself, you pull the trigger and take the most perfect shots you have ever shot in your life until he drops and you move on to the next targets. But your job isn't done; this person hasn't been delivered yet. A person dropping doesn't mean he's dead instantly like in the movies; people are more resilient in these types of situations than I could have ever imagined prior to joining the military. So when you're clearing through the objective area after it's been contained and there is a corpse with an AK next to it, everybody that is able to dumps more rounds to completely and positively kill the enemy. The effects of an exploding skull or ragdoll flailing of whatever body parts rounds are impacting in ensure that this person has been delivered to his fate.

A swirl of emotions impact you when it is all said and done. When the end results played out perfectly for you, you feel like the fucking king of the world. You're in absolute control. You eradicated or helped to eradicate a negative influence(s) to humanity. You realize that you were incredibly close to dying but beat the odds. The whole family that is your platoon is still alive and intact; if you sustained casualties, then you avenged your brother in arms to the best of your ability. You have in this instance fulfilled your purpose and reaffirmed your place in this sacred profession. You're high on life and all of a sudden, you start to see how some people could have rode this feeling into committing the most serious of war crimes. The thrill and satisfaction of combat is immeasurable in comparison to the dullness of normal, civilized life.

Winston Churchill was not lying when he said, "There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at with no result."

edit: Cleaned up the grammar. Also, I forgot to mention and explain a bit about how this a common sentiment shared amongst members of all-male combat units. I was going to wrap this up in a cleaner fashion relating to what I was talking about in the first paragraph and adjustments into society, but got kind of caught up at the end there describing things and just wanted to end it.


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Imperium11
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States279 Posts
June 27 2012 00:13 GMT
#2
Holy wall of text man!

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Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States447 Posts
June 27 2012 00:32 GMT
#3
You are a hero and don't think for one second that anyone with a brain doesn't appreciate the difference between the CO of the motor pool and a marine on the front lines. Thank you for filling me in on what it's like to kill someone.
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SomniGiggles
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom214 Posts
June 27 2012 00:57 GMT
#4
Thank you for fighting, think that should of been the first response. Anyone who risks their lives for somebody else is a hero to me. I feel like I need to go think about what was written before I can make a response, really interesting post
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
June 27 2012 01:42 GMT
#5
Great read and not even done yet.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
June 27 2012 01:59 GMT
#6
Positive associations of dominance is in every part of life, from family and social hierarchies, to sports and aspirational life, it's nothing society hasn't covered before, war just exaccerbates it to a degree where it's immediately obvious. The same problems that soldiers faced are not different in nature from the crimes of domestic affairs, just different in degree. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, there is no need to fear any inability to rationalize your emotional or physical responses, they are programmed into you via the initial state and social programming. You are only responsible for the foreseeable consequences of your actions and decisions.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Kasha_Not_Kesha
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States71 Posts
June 27 2012 02:02 GMT
#7
That was a fantastic read, thank you for taking the time to write that up. I'm a little bit curious, and you seem fairly open about the topic...feel free not to answer if it's too difficult to think about or explain. Did you feel any hesitation the first time you had to kill someone? Did you ever have any doubts while in a combat situation? I can't imagine there'd be much room for some kind of philosophical musing when someone's trying to kill you, but having never been in such a situation I really can't say.

What kinds of difficulties were there adjusting to civilian life after experiencing combat like that?
Human beings are literally made up of potential more than anything else.
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
June 27 2012 02:18 GMT
#8
And feel free to say "keep reading my next blogs to find out" to the above poster too ^^. Really great read though, felt like 3 sentences when I was all done because I found out it so informative/introspective. Thank you and please don't hesitate to share more.
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Deleted User 255289
Profile Joined March 2012
281 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 02:33:41
June 27 2012 02:32 GMT
#9
Wow that was so interesting. Would love to read your other writing.

oh and can you tell me what is your k/d ratio?
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Bobo_XIII
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States429 Posts
June 27 2012 05:25 GMT
#10
On June 27 2012 10:59 Caihead wrote:
Positive associations of dominance is in every part of life, from family and social hierarchies, to sports and aspirational life, it's nothing society hasn't covered before, war just exaccerbates it to a degree where it's immediately obvious. The same problems that soldiers faced are not different in nature from the crimes of domestic affairs, just different in degree. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us, there is no need to fear any inability to rationalize your emotional or physical responses, they are programmed into you via the initial state and social programming. You are only responsible for the foreseeable consequences of your actions and decisions.


Thanks, that was oddly comforting


On June 27 2012 11:02 Kasha_Not_Kesha wrote:
That was a fantastic read, thank you for taking the time to write that up. I'm a little bit curious, and you seem fairly open about the topic...feel free not to answer if it's too difficult to think about or explain. Did you feel any hesitation the first time you had to kill someone? Did you ever have any doubts while in a combat situation? I can't imagine there'd be much room for some kind of philosophical musing when someone's trying to kill you, but having never been in such a situation I really can't say.

What kinds of difficulties were there adjusting to civilian life after experiencing combat like that?


There is never hesitation, and I think anybody has the capacity to do it with the right mental cultivation. When you're in a situation that requires bursts of performance, you really don't ever dwell on anything. You just sort of react, kind of like you do in a Starcraft game once you have an established playstyle and way of handling situations.

At times when you're fighting, you aren't entirely engaged and are sort of subject to chance and circumstance, like when you're being actively mortared while pinned in a house or when you're in a hairy standoff because of stringent rules of engagement prohibiting your unit from exercising the right to protect yourselves in certain situations, even from the local Afghan Army checkpoints that fuck around with you. When you can do nothing but wait for something to happen to trigger you to react a certain way, you sometimes wonder if you're going to be alive in the next few minutes. There are no massive battlefield philosophical transformations of your self or anything, though.

When you first return from deployments, coming back to an environment dominated by corporate logos and propaganda and sleezy marketing is always a bit of a shock. Burger King and Pizza Hut has managed to creep its way to posts overseas, but the extent of the mass of corporate trash that is literally everywhere in the mainland is always a little unnerving. You eventually become desensitized to it all again, but I always had a bit of culture shock when we came back to American soil.

As far as actual civilian life goes, that's still a work in progress The hardest part for me is the fact that so many people are so fucking bent on being politically correct and passive and worried about offending somebody that it seems like relationships and communication with people is more vapid and fake than a set of silicon tits. That, and things you would say half serious in and in a nonchalant manner in your old environment (jokingly expressing how you want to shoot your neighbor's annoying, self-entitled teenage son in the face) don't fly in the regular world
There's a hole in the world like a great black pit, and the vermin of the world inhabit it... and its morals aren't worth what a pig could spit, and it goes by the name of Reddit.
Adersick
Profile Joined July 2011
United States216 Posts
June 27 2012 05:58 GMT
#11
Fantastic read, Bobo! I wasn't expecting it but this was quite a bit more insightful than I thought, it isn't often I hear about these sort of experiences from our soldiers. I'm just a controls engineering student, so I'm about three levels removed from this sort of experience (eventually will work for D.O.D., like most American engineers), but for what it's worth your my hero man.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
June 27 2012 14:49 GMT
#12
All the stuff you wrote makes perfect sense. We are after all but animals and you were put in one of the most primal situations imaginable: kill or be killed. You sound like a perfectly rational human being to me.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 27 2012 21:48 GMT
#13
As much as I wish this weren't the whole truth, I know it is. There is something that is really exhilirating when you are in full control of a situation and killing is no exception to that rule. Its something kind of saddening when you realize that this is true. I'm glad you served, though I wish this wasn't an inevitable truth in the "horrors" of war. Thank you for being a hero, but it saddens me that this is what being a hero on the battlefield really means .
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StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
June 27 2012 23:01 GMT
#14
Great piece. Great writing.
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