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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
June 08 2012 18:24 GMT
#1
This ending is cruel. This is not the brutal, but natural, destruction of a rival business, or a killing in a palace coup. This is not a natural death, lingering, wondering if health will return, savoring moments of what is known to be limited.

This is torture.

This is torture, and I cannot find the heart any more to watch it.

Maybe I am losing interest, anyway, in the subject, in the game, in the passion. I was never much of a player - a casual only, with clumsy fingers and pretensions of knowledge. I won games quickly with macro friends knew nothing of as a concept, or lost games slowly because I had no sense, in a game, of the game. But I admired the men who could see past the 400x600 screen to the soul and sense of a game deeper than I could play. I have watched hundreds of games as they were played, and thousands more on videos hours, days, or months afterwards.

Dozens of players whose aliases I knew by hear - FisheYe, Legionnaire, iloveoov, Zileas, July, and more - and then dozens of others whose names I learned as well - Lim Yo Hwan, Greg Fields, Yum Bo Sung, Kim Taek Yong, Kim Min Chul, and others. There were stories, rising stars, fading suns, villains (some real), heroes, hopeless cases, kings of silver, legends, glory. There were mediocre drudges, some with moments of glory; there were core players with no grand peak, only a plateau.

There was an ephemerality to the whole set-up: it was serious business only in one small country, with perhaps a couple thousand people invested in it directly at its peak. Consider: twelve teams; perhaps fifteen stars, best of the best, who would play at least a game over the course of a season. Maybe a dozen, two dozen more, in each practice room, hoping for that chance at a miniature stardom and fifteen minutes of fame. Three television studios; I have nothing to do with the business, but if we are talking even near one hundred people each I would be surprised. One hundred total might be closer.

But for a thing so small, what an exquisite thing it was. Golden mouse. Golden badge. Legend of the Fall. Most Psi-Storm Ever. Ee-han timing. The absurd and wonderful conclusion to the last starleague. Expand if far, bunker rush if near.

And the monikers our heros earned. Emperor. Commander. The Almighty, the Revolutionist, the Terrorist, the Ultimate Weapon, the Tyrant. Alien, Pikachu, Mantoss, and more.

But it has been days since I watched a game live, and that almost by accident; I caught the last game of tiebreakers, a depressing one-sided Zerg versus Zerg mutalisk massacre. The lineup for the final rounds of the final OSL is - well, if I thought there was more to come it would be fascinating. Four stalwarts of the scene; a solid player enjoying his time in the sun; a joke finally making good; the required fluke Zerg entrant; and a Royal Road candidate. I'll watch it all, eventually, even with impending doom; but it won't, can't, top last season, and it is hard to see it as anything but a wake.

And Proleague? Once the highlight of the scene, now a disaster. I suppose I should be happy that Woongin is finally making good, and simply running away with the league, and Samsung is close behind. But the games I have seen have been poor, and I haven't watched that much.

And the new game?

Things move too fast, with too little results for too much hype. "Seasons" which last less than a month. Tournaments of thousands of games crammed into a weekend. The game itself is all sparkle and speed: fast mining, fast dying. "1a2a3a" was barely justified in the beginning and is a parody of itself now, but it had and has an element of truth: the game is all action, little time for reaction. Maybe this is a good thing. Maybe I like chess too much. But I have been unable to work up the enthusiasm to follow it as more than something to do to waste time.

Brood War was a hobby; not a serious one, but a thing for enjoyment. But if it had just gone - bang. It would be over; I would move on. This fiasco, this attempt to provide a "continuity", is... well, I don't know.

It is not how I would have done things. Too much hype. Too much hoopla. Too much shine, too many announcements of announcements of forthcoming trailers. Too much artificiality, too much -

Well, I remember long ago watching the Olympics as a kid, and my parents complaints. Too many interviews. Not enough actual broadcast of the competition. What was with this splitting the competitions? And so forth. Maybe I'm taking this all too seriously, but - it seems like something has gone missing.

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Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
June 08 2012 18:44 GMT
#2
I must say, starcraft 2 is not what I expected. When I played bw I hated that I had to tell my workers to mine, I hated that I could only select one building and 12 units at a time and hated how fast everything was, but now I love it all, after sc2.

I guess it was a good thing, after all, making us all appreciate the real golden game we have had before us for, I don't know, 12 years now? But since everyone is now moving over to the sequel, people are starting to lose interest fast (or maybe it was the other way around?) and bw, too, is starting to feel like a very lonesome place.

Time to move on, I guess
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tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
June 08 2012 18:56 GMT
#3
It's hard when your love is partially for the game and partially for the idea of the game. That comes with being human though; you appreciate the intangibles. It's a good thing. I've had my share of similar feelings about other games, not just BW (I was in high school when SC1 came out). When I was 22 I think, I realized that all things change and fade, since games based on a certain level of technology are destined to be edged out by the "newer thing." That is the way of things though, just treasure the memories that the thing you love gives you. I think knowing how to appreciate what it was (and not blindly hating its successor) is a very difficult skill to hone, but makes it well worth it.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 21:11:57
June 08 2012 21:10 GMT
#4
I'll admit, it's sad.

I grew up with SC just like anyone else. Arguably longer than a lot of the BW players who complain on here...

But it's going to go. Just like CounterStrike did. Just like Myspace did.

And it's always going to live in our memories. I doubt that Blizzard will take down the SC servers, especially since the cost of running them this long is probably pretty low. So, it will always have that nostalgia factor.

If you don't play much, well, then you will just be forced to watch the new game. And if you can't accept that, then I suggest you learn more about life and how it really works.

In the future, we may see a BW re-vamp with higher graphic quality. I'm sure it is closely possible. Just be patient
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11934 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 21:21:52
June 08 2012 21:20 GMT
#5
On June 09 2012 06:10 Th1rdEye wrote:
But it's going to go. Just like CounterStrike did. Just like Myspace did.


CS has its next large tournament at the end of next week. When and where did it go?


As for the topic itself. I feel much of the same. SC2 is a good game, if it wasn't called Starcraft 2 I would like it more since it wouldn't be compared in as hard competition.
Marti
Profile Joined August 2011
552 Posts
June 08 2012 22:12 GMT
#6
On June 09 2012 06:10 Th1rdEye wrote:
But it's going to go. Just like CounterStrike did. Just like Myspace did.

Lolwhat ? When exactly did " counter strike go " ? Because last time i check on hltv.org it was still going strong. Check your facts.



On topic : i totally feel you., especially these parts :

On June 09 2012 03:24 VGhost wrote:
Things move too fast, with too little results for too much hype. "Seasons" which last less than a month. Tournaments of thousands of games crammed into a weekend. The game itself is all sparkle and speed: fast mining, fast dying: the game is all action, little time for reaction. Too much hype. Too much hoopla. Too much shine, too many announcements of announcements of forthcoming trailers. Too much artificiality, too much -
Maybe I'm taking this all too seriously, but - it seems like something has gone missing.


Looks over functionality. Too much on appearances, too little on content.
#adun giveafuck - - - "Did this guy just randomly finger me?" - Sayle
RonNation
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States385 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 23:22:37
June 08 2012 23:22 GMT
#7
cs is dead to me when I go to play counterstrike and see 99 hack/re-route servers and 1 legit server
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
June 09 2012 00:02 GMT
#8
On June 09 2012 06:20 Yurie wrote:

As for the topic itself. I feel much of the same. SC2 is a good game.


I disagree, I feel it's poorly designed. Not going to get into it here though.

Something IS gone OP... the magic, the atmosphere, the gameplay. I couldn't play BW for trash (D+ woot), but I wouldn't miss proleague for anything. I stopped caring about SC2 pro matches just a couple months in. The game just felt... bad. "Gotta all in here or here or lose" looked like most of the pro matches. Maybe it was that way in BW too, but I was just too bad to know it. But it sure as heck didn't look like it.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
June 09 2012 01:46 GMT
#9
Well it maybe it's just me but blizzard win in this strategy game because they will keep saying hey if hots is not good we always have LoTv to solve all the problems and if it doesn't it's just "Tough luck" for the fans after all you were all smart enough to spent $60 for WoL and another $30 for HoTs .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
June 09 2012 05:16 GMT
#10
5/5. Beautiful blog. You get what the BW scene was about. I miss it so much
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
June 09 2012 20:25 GMT
#11
I completely agree with all of the sentiments here. Brood war was something SCII can never replace.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
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