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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-22 03:06:57
May 22 2012 03:06 GMT
#1
Despite my best intentions, I missed the opener due to far too many drinks after the Champions League final... ah well. Result: I've been watching VODs (when not working) for the past two days... here are my impressions.

SKT vs Team 8

(T)Fantasy vs (P)Jaehoon (BW) - in which Jaehoon Jaehoons as only Jaehoon can.
(Z)n.Die_soO vs (T)Sea (BW) - geez Sea is bad. Also build turrets in your min-line plzkthx.
(P)BeSt vs (Z)Sang (SC2) - Hey, PvP has potential! - but the clumping, it hurts the eyes.
(P)Weather vs (Z)Jaedong (SC2) - Nice micro from JD but clearly no idea what he was doing. FF sucks.

I actually almost like the format for the league. I still think that the game split is weird and pure SC2 would have been a better choice, but the double-Bo3 format is kind of cool.

CJ vs KT

(P)Horang2 vs (P)Stats (BW) - first high-level game of the night. Horang2 stil PvP bonjwa.
(T)Leta vs (P)Wooki (BW) - early push accomplished nothing; when Wooki macro'd up ten minutes later Leta just sort of died
(Z)Hydra vs (Z)Crazy-Hydra (BW) - CH with 4 bases and 120 supply. Woah.
(T)BByong vs (P)Lizzy (SC2) - High tech units? What are those? Some neat micro though.
(P)herO[jOin] vs (T)BarrackS (SC2) - BW players really like their sentries. Also unscouted expos are imba.
(Z)EffOrt vs (T)Flash (SC2) - Flash got badly outplayed.
(Z)EffOrt vs (P)Lizzy (SC2) - This looks weird. Actually it kind of looks like Starcraft.

CJ's black shirt might be the best uniform out there right now. Bizarre builds from our KeSPA players. Sentry-heavy, and we're now at 5 Protoss in 5 games with 0 colossus. TBH, the low-tech compositions make it look a lot more like BW.

ACE vs KHAN

(Z)great vs (Z)Juni (BW) - ZvZ... base race... wait, Juni won a game?
(P)Kal vs (T)TurN (BW) - nice micro moving away only one goon at a time... Kal rejects the first attack but lost a ton... decent reaver drop, but dying to the next push... tries a break but too many vultures... nexus goes down and I'm calling fantasy gg timing here.
(P)M18M vs (Z)RorO (SC2) - early aggression with zealots? does nothing -> stargates... white guy hand over face micro is poor... Windows FAIL... M18M going up to 4 stargates, what is this, BGH? - and now with the cannons too... that's a truly silly number of VRs... lings vs cloaked cannons LOL... manner nexuses, geez.
(T)Iris vs (P)JangBi (SC2) - Jangbi builds KeSPA's first Colossus... nice stim snipe of a stalker by Iris... pure marine kind of terrible vs Protoss tech... well, that ended fast.
(P)firebathero vs (T)Reality (SC2) - I am twitching because FBH is playing Protoss. Colossus not enough by themselves, apparently.

These games have mostly been kind of silly but the commentary and observing is top-notch: OGN > all for entertainment value. I think the Colossus is a terrible unit because the Protoss army looks more "normal" without it. This is entirely a legacy of watching lots of BW. I assume I will eventually adjust.

STX vs Stars

(Z)Calm vs (T)Light[aLive] (BW) - Light mechs. Calm loses half his drones to a two vulture runby. Goliaths finish the job.
(P)mini vs (Z)ZerO (BW) - 2 gate! ZerO has no idea it's coming, double expands. Nice defense + poor decisions from mini and ZerO holds. 3 base to one but ZerO is way behind on tech and drones. Reavers eventually end it. Beautiful game.
(T)Last vs (P)free[gm] (BW) - free proxies robo vs rax-expand. Elevators in everything for the win.
(T)Bogus vs (P)sHy (SC2) - Terran keep trying to play with these all-tier-one armies and it's just not working. Also expanding helps.
(P)Trap vs (Z)Neo.G_Soulkey (SC2) - Roaches. Please someone besides EffOrt show some creativity... base race? not really much of a contest but the hatch in P main was funny.
(T)Classic vs (P)Flying (SC2) - Classic looks like the "better" player but can't touch Flying's Colossus groups. At least he made a game of it - probably the best of the night.


So that's Proleague now. Honestly a bit better experience than I expected after the stupidity of the format etc.

I do have a challenge for Terrans. After the marines for the bunker, build a tank before any other unit. This infantry thing isn't going so well.

#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
May 22 2012 03:21 GMT
#2
Everytime there was an SC2 match, all I could think about was the lost opportunity cost for BW. We missed a real Flash vs Effort. Also, due to pre-made rosters and the dumb rule of switching every week, we missed Stork and Bisu playing BW and they won't be able to do it next match either. Thank god for the OSL we get to see Stork still to come for at least 2 more games, but poor Bisu is down to his last several BW games ever over the coming months.

The only entertaining SC2 match was m18m using Protoss air. Which isn't even to say the BW matches were good, 'cause they weren't. Mini vs Zero was entertaining as all hell though - even if ultimately stupid play from both sides, the Reaver once again showcased itself as the most entertaining RTS unit of all-time to make it worth watching. In fact, the only good BW moments from the opening day involved Reavers imo.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
May 22 2012 03:44 GMT
#3
Do you play SC2? Bio is standard TvP.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
May 22 2012 03:54 GMT
#4
On May 22 2012 12:44 Saechiis wrote:
Do you play SC2? Bio is standard TvP.

Tanks can be effective early in TvP, it's only later that they become a liability. Personally I'm hoping to see the BW Terrans start doing some things like banshee harass. Someone should tell them that they have flying DTs.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
May 22 2012 13:05 GMT
#5
You never really get used to Colossus, they're terrible, and this is coming from a hardcore SC2 fanboy.
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