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SPIRE: A turning point

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xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
April 22 2012 16:00 GMT
#1
Hello everyone! I hope you are all doing spectacular on this wonderful Sunday, or Monday, depending on where you are!

I have just recently finished my newest piece of music, Spire, which took me over 45 hours of working time. It also contains over 200 automations, 130 mixer states, and hours of sound designing outside the project file. I also recorded over 20 original samples for this piece, including things such as keys jingling, water bottles, aluminum cans, etc.

SPIRE 2012

This piece marks a big turning point for me as it is my first collegiate piece of music. I just performed this last Tuesday at my music university where it was well received. I eventually plan on continuing to blend acoustic and electronic timbres, and this summer I will write a string quartet with track, and eventually before I graduate, a full symphony with electronics.

So, I hope if this interests you, you will take a listen and tell me if you enjoy it! Or critique it! Also, if anyone has any questions about how certain sounds were made, I keep no secrets!

*****
ohsea.toc
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Australia344 Posts
April 22 2012 16:07 GMT
#2
Gorgeous. I aspire to write music of this quality, though frankly I haven't the skill nor the temperament. Really liked the dissonance around 2:15 (I find now that it's repeated throughout).

Can I request a mellow break down? I'm a sucker for a regular snare in 4/4. Heading to your other stuff on sound cloud right now!
Clip, clop, Camelot.
Salazarz
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Korea (South)2591 Posts
April 22 2012 16:17 GMT
#3
It sounds promising, but I felt like there were a lot of things added just for the sake of being able to say, 'there are over x samples, y mixer states', yadda yadda. I think the tune could have been a lot better if it was just a little simpler!
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 16:19:52
April 22 2012 16:17 GMT
#4
On April 23 2012 01:07 ohsea.toc wrote:
Gorgeous. I aspire to write music of this quality, though frankly I haven't the skill nor the temperament. Really liked the dissonance around 2:15 (I find now that it's repeated throughout).

Can I request a mellow break down? I'm a sucker for a regular snare in 4/4. Heading to your other stuff on sound cloud right now!


I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm sure you do, you just haven't tapped into your potential yet. I believe we all have the abilities to create and play music, but like anything else it takes practice!

Mellow breakdown? As in a part of a song that is a mellow break? Or an analytic break down of my piece on a relaxed level? I'm going to assume you meant the second, so sure!

The piece is sort of in a ternary form, which is; A B A'. B is a contrasting section in a different key, A is longer the first time and comes back in a modified form to the A'. The tonal scheme of this piece is as follows, it starts in Bb minor, modulates to B major at the first large moment during the second half of A, then as it enters the B section, it modulates to G# minor, the relative of B. It stays in g sharp minor until the recapitulation which it modulates back to Bb minor, and ends the piece where it started. So..

Bb minor - B major - G# minor - Bb minor.

hopefully that's what you were looking for.


On April 23 2012 01:17 Salazarz wrote:
It sounds promising, but I felt like there were a lot of things added just for the sake of being able to say, 'there are over x samples, y mixer states', yadda yadda. I think the tune could have been a lot better if it was just a little simpler!



Simple is the absolute opposite of what I am trying to do at the moment. I am trying to match the calculated harmony and form of classical music with contemporary levels of sound design. I appreciate the feedback, and I generally don't mention the amount of work I do for these. I figured since I'm trying to show it off, I might as well let people know the amount of work required for a final product like this.
vaL4r
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
April 22 2012 16:22 GMT
#5
Due to beeing unable to formulate my praise in a more elaborate fashion let me just say that I really liked it! ^-^

Listening to the rest of your music as well~
You need to play starcraft with a light heart. If you play with a heavy heart, you can't win. -NaDa
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 16:46:13
April 22 2012 16:45 GMT
#6
Pretty awesome. Should forward that to Blizzard so they can incorporate parts of it to Protoss in game music in HotS.

edit: that would also go very well while playing EVE.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
April 22 2012 16:47 GMT
#7
I liked it. Some of the parts seemed a little TOO heavy on the effects, but overall I really enjoyed listening to it... Oh yeah and I don't know shit about music or music theory, so keep that in mind lol.
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
April 22 2012 17:03 GMT
#8
It's pretty nice and chill. The different textures are good, and you keep them short enough so that they don't grate on the listener.

My main critique is that I wish that the instrument that carried the melody wasn't as omnipresent throughout the piece. I think it'd really benefit from a break from that particular sound for an extended period of time, because otherwise the piece feels a bit too bland/predictable. Especially something to consider if you're using ternary form, since a different instrument voicing the melody for the B part would make it feel more distinct.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
April 22 2012 17:15 GMT
#9
pretty good
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
April 22 2012 17:19 GMT
#10

On April 23 2012 01:22 vaL4r wrote:
Due to beeing unable to formulate my praise in a more elaborate fashion let me just say that I really liked it! ^-^

Listening to the rest of your music as well~


I am ecstatic that you enjoyed it, I hope you will continue to follow me throughout my career! No need for fancy words, a simple "really liked it" suffices quite well. :D

On April 23 2012 01:45 DyEnasTy wrote:
Pretty awesome. Should forward that to Blizzard so they can incorporate parts of it to Protoss in game music in HotS.

edit: that would also go very well while playing EVE.


Haha, that would be awesome. I did some sound design for smaller video games awhile ago. I feel like I could make some mean Protoss sounds. <3

On April 23 2012 01:47 ClysmiC wrote:
I liked it. Some of the parts seemed a little TOO heavy on the effects, but overall I really enjoyed listening to it... Oh yeah and I don't know shit about music or music theory, so keep that in mind lol.


Glad to hear you enjoyed it. And I also appreciate the criticism, if I may, what parts in particular? Some of what may seem to be effects, can actually be the instruments themselves. All of my instruments have many parameters that are controlled to give the sense of motion and momentum. No need to understand theory to appreciate music!

On April 23 2012 02:03 d3_crescentia wrote:
It's pretty nice and chill. The different textures are good, and you keep them short enough so that they don't grate on the listener.

My main critique is that I wish that the instrument that carried the melody wasn't as omnipresent throughout the piece. I think it'd really benefit from a break from that particular sound for an extended period of time, because otherwise the piece feels a bit too bland/predictable. Especially something to consider if you're using ternary form, since a different instrument voicing the melody for the B part would make it feel more distinct.


Thanks! Very happy you liked the piece. I LOVE your critique and I am definitely going to experiment with some stuff now, because of your post. That's something I definitely overlooked as I thought the interplay between piano/main melodic instrument would suffice, but you've made me realize that the general AREA both of them take up are the same, so it's like even when the instrument changes you still get the same style of sound. I love the critique, thank you.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 22 2012 18:14 GMT
#11
I liked it, but am I the only one who came here expecting the zerg's Spire from Star Craft and an article about mutalisks etc.?
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
April 22 2012 19:07 GMT
#12
On April 23 2012 03:14 3FFA wrote:
I liked it, but am I the only one who came here expecting the zerg's Spire from Star Craft and an article about mutalisks etc.?


Lol, apologies for that. I was actually wondering if that would get mixed up in the sidebar. ;s
ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 19:17:35
April 22 2012 19:15 GMT
#13
On April 23 2012 02:19 xLethargicax wrote:

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On April 23 2012 01:47 ClysmiC wrote:
I liked it. Some of the parts seemed a little TOO heavy on the effects, but overall I really enjoyed listening to it... Oh yeah and I don't know shit about music or music theory, so keep that in mind lol.


Glad to hear you enjoyed it. And I also appreciate the criticism, if I may, what parts in particular? Some of what may seem to be effects, can actually be the instruments themselves. All of my instruments have many parameters that are controlled to give the sense of motion and momentum. No need to understand theory to appreciate music!


Between 3:15 and 3:45 I think is where it seemed like it was a bit hectic. It's probably just my personal taste though (I liked the smoother, calmer parts towards the beginning-middle of the song the best), as I think all of the sounds still fit together pretty nicely in that section.
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
April 22 2012 23:33 GMT
#14
On April 23 2012 04:15 ClysmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 02:19 xLethargicax wrote:

On April 23 2012 01:47 ClysmiC wrote:
I liked it. Some of the parts seemed a little TOO heavy on the effects, but overall I really enjoyed listening to it... Oh yeah and I don't know shit about music or music theory, so keep that in mind lol.


Glad to hear you enjoyed it. And I also appreciate the criticism, if I may, what parts in particular? Some of what may seem to be effects, can actually be the instruments themselves. All of my instruments have many parameters that are controlled to give the sense of motion and momentum. No need to understand theory to appreciate music!


Between 3:15 and 3:45 I think is where it seemed like it was a bit hectic. It's probably just my personal taste though (I liked the smoother, calmer parts towards the beginning-middle of the song the best), as I think all of the sounds still fit together pretty nicely in that section.


Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the feedback!
Amaterasu1234
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
April 23 2012 03:13 GMT
#15
I enjoyed it a lot! The entire thing!

Very nice style, especially 'cause I'm having a hard time comparing you to any of the other artists I listen to...either way, sick song!
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
April 23 2012 03:26 GMT
#16
Well I think you could teach Blizzard a thing or two, cause the game music for toss and zerg are really bad.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
April 23 2012 04:47 GMT
#17
On April 23 2012 12:13 Amaterasu1234 wrote:
I enjoyed it a lot! The entire thing!

Very nice style, especially 'cause I'm having a hard time comparing you to any of the other artists I listen to...either way, sick song!


That's very great to hear. I take the challenge of comparison as a compliment!

On April 23 2012 12:26 DyEnasTy wrote:
Well I think you could teach Blizzard a thing or two, cause the game music for toss and zerg are really bad.


Haha, SC:BW sounds were sweet, that's all I can think about!

Also thanks for all the feedback so far everyone, this track has gotten about 1600 plays in 12 hours!
UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
April 23 2012 12:28 GMT
#18
well done, I enjoyed it, great work 5/5
xLethargicax
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States469 Posts
April 23 2012 18:24 GMT
#19
On April 23 2012 21:28 UltimateHurl wrote:
well done, I enjoyed it, great work 5/5


Thank you, my friend!
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