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God young ho just lost in the proleague finals, and twice at that. The question that I have been asking for a very long time to myself everytime something like this happens is, what does it really mean? Now I finally have an example I can use to display my point, but ill use that a bit later.
Technically, if flash won either of his 2 games, his team would have won (considering all other matches went as planned) but he did not win either. So many people on reddit are praising Bisu and dissing flash. No one really has argued that his dominance is over etc. which would be quite absurd if i do say so myself. But there is a mentality in the air, just of flash choking, not being able to win in the crucial situation.
The point i guess im trying to make is the game is just so random that any one thing could have happened and flash may have easily won, such as maybe fantasy's drop was intercepted when he moved the tanks to kill the reinforcements, etc.
A perfect example is MKP recently in the GSTL finals. You all know of the situation so i wont explain it, but it just shows that if something goes a little differently in one game, the outcome is completely different. So in best of 1's, im just not sure anymore of the significance it carries. Does this make bisu and fantasy better than flash? what if it was a best of three format and flash won the next two? Everything would be completely different.
I just realised everything i said makes no sense and is a bit of fanboyism for flash, but whatever
 
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Flash choke? Not being able to win where it matters.
What.
Winning numerous OSL/MSL and other things and then he "chokes and can't win in the crucial situation" I like Flash too and all but everyone can be beaten.
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If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat.
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On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat.
As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared.
The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect.
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On April 09 2012 09:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat. As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared. The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect.
What did racial imbalance have to do with his loss exactly?
Flash sitting on 2 bases vs 2base Bisu, and Flash has all his army except for a couple behind Bisu's main base hitting random shit.
Bisu goes for the counter,Flash has no army at home, and his contain behind his main is weakened from an attack earlier as such he wins.
Wheres the Racial imbalance?
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70% winrate != 100% winrate. A loss to Bisu, even if he sucks at the match he's a world class toss, on chain reaction AND struggling vs. toss lately, and to fantasy, granted it's Flash's best match up and map and all, but Fantasy is Fantasy, amazing Terran player, recent starleague runner up, great TvT especially if there are vultures involved, and there were, etc. etc. etc. Yeah, it's a little random, but it's not that random, just coincidence he happened to drop 2 games on the same day to the same team in the most important match this year, but he's gotta lose too.
In a game as complex and hard as SC:BW, the best player doesn't always win, just like any other super hard super complex game/sport.
@above
Think Bisu had 3 base worth of gateways because he stopped unit production for a bit after his probe scouted no third + push and he started adding gateways so he made a ton of zealots which ran straight into Flash's natural cause chain reaction is lulzy
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In both of his games both players played brilliantly, and that was what made this finals so special.
Saying that Flash choked is an absurd. He played really well, but his opponents played even better.
And there is no discussion about that.
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Let's be honest and state they just hop on the bandwagon.
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On April 09 2012 10:06 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 09:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat. As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared. The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect. What did racial imbalance have to do with his loss exactly? Flash sitting on 2 bases vs 2base Bisu, and Flash has all his army except for a couple behind Bisu's main base hitting random shit. Bisu goes for the counter,Flash has no army at home, and his contain behind his main is weakened from an attack earlier as such he wins. Wheres the Racial imbalance?
I'm not going to comment on the racial imbalance business, but Bisu was already on three bases before that push started.
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On April 09 2012 10:16 gngfn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:06 arb wrote:On April 09 2012 09:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat. As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared. The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect. What did racial imbalance have to do with his loss exactly? Flash sitting on 2 bases vs 2base Bisu, and Flash has all his army except for a couple behind Bisu's main base hitting random shit. Bisu goes for the counter,Flash has no army at home, and his contain behind his main is weakened from an attack earlier as such he wins. Wheres the Racial imbalance? I'm not going to comment on the racial imbalance business, but Bisu was already on three bases before that push started.
He was denied mining in his main by the tanks behind, so essentially it was down to 2base vs 2base.
(however yes it was 2base vs 3base before the push got back there)
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On April 09 2012 10:16 gngfn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:06 arb wrote:On April 09 2012 09:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat. As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared. The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect. What did racial imbalance have to do with his loss exactly? Flash sitting on 2 bases vs 2base Bisu, and Flash has all his army except for a couple behind Bisu's main base hitting random shit. Bisu goes for the counter,Flash has no army at home, and his contain behind his main is weakened from an attack earlier as such he wins. Wheres the Racial imbalance? I'm not going to comment on the racial imbalance business, but Bisu was already on three bases before that push started.
He wasn't mining from his main because of the tanks.
I still don't get why you think there was any racial imbalance...
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On April 09 2012 10:06 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 09:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat. As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared. The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect. What did racial imbalance have to do with his loss exactly? Flash sitting on 2 bases vs 2base Bisu, and Flash has all his army except for a couple behind Bisu's main base hitting random shit. Bisu goes for the counter,Flash has no army at home, and his contain behind his main is weakened from an attack earlier as such he wins. Wheres the Racial imbalance?
The abuse manner pylon and gas steal just minors really. Flash lost because of his decision to spam tanks instead of vultures.
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On April 09 2012 10:54 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:06 arb wrote:On April 09 2012 09:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat. As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared. The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect. What did racial imbalance have to do with his loss exactly? Flash sitting on 2 bases vs 2base Bisu, and Flash has all his army except for a couple behind Bisu's main base hitting random shit. Bisu goes for the counter,Flash has no army at home, and his contain behind his main is weakened from an attack earlier as such he wins. Wheres the Racial imbalance? The abuse manner pylon and gas steal just minors really. Flash lost because of his decision to spam tanks instead of vultures.
Manner pylons and gas steals arent racial imbalances.
Flash losing cause of a poor decision(which you just admitted) doesnt mean he lost to racial imbalance either.
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Volatility? He lost to the second best terran AND player in the world, and then he lost to fucking BISU on one of the WORST Terran maps ever created.
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On April 09 2012 11:13 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:54 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 09 2012 10:06 arb wrote:On April 09 2012 09:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:On April 09 2012 09:50 red4ce wrote:
If you're a Flash fan why would you allow yourself to be affected by such talk. Flash has proven himself over and over again carrying KT on his back countless times. Nobody can be 100%. If the ace match were on a map that was even a little bit less terrible for Terran KT would have completed the threepeat. As much as I do not like KTFlash or KT in general (except Hoejja), I have to agree with this. Flash was outplayed in all of his loses this season but that doesn't mean he's still not the top. I would call Racial imbalance on that Ace Match though, instead of map imbalance. But on game 2, it's quite the opposite. Fantasy came for the finals really prepared. The problem with a top 1 player like Flash, he has to be prepared for the things they'll throw at him. Unlike below him, all they need to do is study the top opponent. No one is perfect. What did racial imbalance have to do with his loss exactly? Flash sitting on 2 bases vs 2base Bisu, and Flash has all his army except for a couple behind Bisu's main base hitting random shit. Bisu goes for the counter,Flash has no army at home, and his contain behind his main is weakened from an attack earlier as such he wins. Wheres the Racial imbalance? The abuse manner pylon and gas steal just minors really. Flash lost because of his decision to spam tanks instead of vultures. Manner pylons and gas steals arent racial imbalances. Flash losing cause of a poor decision(which you just admitted) doesnt mean he lost to racial imbalance either.
zealots are very much racial imbalances lolololol I think there should be a mod where they should be replaced with pacifists or something
Ah well, Flash was being very aggressive instead of being very measured...and that costs you the game at pro levels.
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On April 09 2012 09:24 firehand101 wrote:
So many people on reddit are praising Bisu and dissing flash. No one really has argued that his dominance is over etc. which would be quite absurd if i do say so myself. But there is a mentality in the air, just of flash choking, not being able to win in the crucial situation.
After reading bolded part the rest of your post was expectedly...retarded =_=
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