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drag_
England425 Posts
On April 08 2012 01:14 Dfgj wrote: Not liking something is not the same as entitlement. I'm aware of the difference. He argues players owe it to us, the fans, to play only BW. This limits their chances of a successful switch to SC2, which will have to come sooner or later. I do not think we, the fans, are entitled to make such a demand. | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
On April 08 2012 01:21 drag_ wrote: I'm aware of the difference. He argues players owe it to us, the fans, to play only BW. This limits their chances of a successful switch to SC2, which will have to come sooner or later. I do not think we, the fans, are entitled to make such a demand. It is perfectly normal for fans to expect the best from their players in any sport. He wanted them to play their best in BW, and, with the pros practicing for SC2 instead, didn't get their best. In other words, he felt cheated. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44919 Posts
On April 08 2012 01:20 hypercube wrote: It's not about their spare time. I'm sure it's coming out of their practice time. I mean, Jaedong used to practice BW 10 hours a day 7 days a week. I'm sure the last thing he'd want to do in his spare time is learn a new game at a high level. I'm sure if Jaedong wasn't happy with his contract conditions, he could do something about it. He's Jaedong. I doubt he's being forced to be a worse BW player >.> | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
He argues players owe it to us, the fans, to play only BW. I argued that we're entitled to know if they're giving it their all. If they are practicing BW 5 hours and SC2 5 hours, we should be told so that we can decide if we want to watch 3 months of mediocre play, hoping for them to get back on their feet and get over the last year of bad news. Airforce ACE (from its creation) is a good example of a team who is upfront about its limitations. Also, T8 in a lot of respects. They don't lie to the fans. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On April 08 2012 01:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I'm sure if Jaedong wasn't happy with his contract conditions, he could do something about it. He's Jaedong. I doubt he's being forced to be a worse BW player >.> Please read the interview. Coach Ju claims that T8 did not have the resources to play SC2 during the league. He is only making JD play it after the fact (because he must, since T8 has so few players and a bo7 SC2/BW league will require him to play SC2). T8 played poorly because of their actual conditions, we are talking about the claims against the rest of the teams. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
1) It makes sense what they're doing. 2) The actions isn't wrong of itself. 3) What is wrong here is that they're selling honesty (which is what caused the sAviOr situation to blow up as much as it did and what they are doing here isn't honest. 4) Considering point 3, it should be frowned upon because the fans believed the players were putting on as much of a show as possible, but they weren't (not because of the switch in game itself). Basically, if you didn't read, they're selling honesty and for them to cover up hours and hours of practice time being thrown out the window is not legitimate. | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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goldendwarf
Canada170 Posts
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
On April 08 2012 00:52 Sablar wrote: So the only honest way to transition from 1 game to another is to completely stop playing BW, and then play SC2 for 100% of the time instead? Seems like a very stupid way to go about it and the clan would suffer for it. Of course they need to practice SC2 if that's the direction the clan is heading. No, the point is they shouldn't be transitions at ALL period. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Wake up, BW players play SC2 because they like playing RTS, if they don't want to play SC2 they can opt not to play like others have done. On April 08 2012 02:13 goldendwarf wrote: I thought people knew the bw teams were practicing sc2? didn't they replace their monitors and didnt multiple sources say they are praciticing sc2? Yeah, people can make up a lot of explanations to prove otherwise when they don't like the implications. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On April 08 2012 02:46 Saechiis wrote: Sure, Jaedong has been chained to a chair and forced to play SC2 ... Wake up, BW players play SC2 because they like playing RTS, if they don't want to play SC2 they can opt not to play like others have done. Yeah, people can make up a lot of explanations to prove otherwise when they don't like the implications. I'm not sure who needs to wake up, when you're being paid full time to play a game, you don't count as one of those players who just plays other RTS... It's your full time job. To cut into that job time with still full time salary is a major scandal for the fans, it's just more abstract so people don't see it, but it's money that's going to people who are working on designing a pie while they should be configuring a program. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On April 08 2012 03:08 Eywa- wrote: I'm not sure who needs to wake up, when you're being paid full time to play a game, you don't count as one of those players who just plays other RTS... It's your full time job. To cut into that job time with still full time salary is a major scandal for the fans, it's just more abstract so people don't see it, but it's money that's going to people who are working on designing a pie while they should be configuring a program. What's your point? Playing SC2 next to BW atm is their job. | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On April 08 2012 03:35 Saechiis wrote: What's your point? Playing SC2 next to BW atm is their job. It's what their job is as described by their employer, though their employer making it seem like they're playing BW full time is dishonest to the people who are supporting them. Thus, the people who are maintaining their salaries (since they're entertainers) are being deceived, thus, it's dishonest (which is supposedly everything these people have preached they are against). | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On April 08 2012 04:16 Eywa- wrote: It's what their job is as described by their employer, though their employer making it seem like they're playing BW full time is dishonest to the people who are supporting them. Thus, the people who are maintaining their salaries (since they're entertainers) are being deceived, thus, it's dishonest (which is supposedly everything these people have preached they are against). Everyone besides the people who chose not to believe knew they were practicing SC2 next to BW. Not making offical statements until now because there were probably still negotiations hardly construes "dishonesty". Non-one has ever denied that BW players were practicing SC2 and there were plenty of breadcrumbs leading to that conclusion. Besides, it's not like anyone here is paying for BW Proleague. | ||
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
Everyone's just going to end up playing LoL or DoTA2, competitive RTS could be dead within 2 years. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
It's not a big deal and it's certainly not comparable to Savior's wrongdoings. Sure, the part about players transitioning to SC2 is big, but playing both games at once while delivering the standard talk about "giving 100%" is not and comparing that to the match-fixing scandal is, quite frankly, silly. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1690 Posts
Not to mention the sheer incredible amount of reductio ad absurdum that takes place, again, by people trying to be all sarcastic and invalidate those with whom they don't agree, simply to validate their point. There's no such thing as a proper sensible debate on the internet, with these droves of faceless people, all of them instantly big and clever, speaking down to anybody who thinks something other than they do. Please, stop talking down to those who voice their opinion, even when it's one which wishes no ill upon you. I agree that this whole thing has been conducted in an underhand, dishonest and clandestine way. Just amazing how little the fans have been thought about in the whole equation. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10343 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Reading the responses in this thread really make me wish you could see what game people play in their profiles. Like over half the people in this thread are post-"TL is giving out free sc2 beta keys" join date. -.-;; | ||
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