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I never thought women could confuse me to the point of making a girl blog on TL, but here I am. To understand the dilemma that I'm in, I'll start at the top. Two months
Fuck it, short version:
* Girl is 21, hot as shit, intelligent and has a lot in common with me.
* I am 22, not disgusting to look at, dresses reasonably well, without any real materialistic advantages since I've just started working.
I've liked this girl since 2 months ago, we always have a lot to talk about and I asked her out about a month ago.
She rejected me informing me that she's done dating young men and prefer to date older men (high 20s? low 30s?). I know she really likes and wants kids, so most likely she just wants a stable life with someone more mature and reasonably successful. I understood her decision and backed off.
However, 3 weeks ago she came onto me at a social gathering, resulting in her spending the night at my place. Afterward, I asked her again if she wanted to have a relationship, to which she replied that our night together was merely a drunken impulse, with the standard "I'd still like to be friends" line in addition. Fine, just women exercising their libido, I got mine so whatever.
Now, it's been more than 2 weeks since she started texting me like crazy (I'm talking about 1 text every 30 minutes, often just asking me what I had for lunch, etc.) Moreover, her texts are quite personal, not words you'd send to just a friend, asking me to go and cook with her at her place, to go swimming, etc. I've been worked like a dog at work, so my response texts have been very short and I declined her offers for outings.
Yesterday, she called me, audibly very upset, telling me that she hated me and wished that she had never met me, and hung up the phone quickly robbing me of a phone reply so I replied with a text asking her the same question as before, as in what she wanted from with me. She never replied to my question and I was starting to become very confused.
Since this morning, I've been getting her texts as usual. Nothing about her call to me last night, just the usual flirtatiousness with liberal amounts of winking smilies usage. So far today, I've gotten 12 texts from her when I've replied to none.
TLDR version:
I ask out a girl, she rejects me. Some time pass, and we fuck after a social gathering. We have a talk afterwards, to which she explains that our night was just a drunken impulse and telling me she does not want a relationship with me.
Afterward for 2 weeks, she starts texting me flirtatiously with alarming frequency basically asking me out, but I decline her offers due to work.
1 night, out of nowhere, she calls me telling me that she hates me and wishes to have never met me and then hangs up the phone. I text her asking her what she wants from me, to which she does not reply.
Today, she has been texting me since morning. 12 texts, to which I've replied to none.
And now, I'm just confused as fuck. I never would have imagined someone could be this crazy / emotionally unstable / manipulative / etc. ? I don't know what to think of any of this.
Maybe I've just never dealt with crazy women before, but seriously, lol, the fuck?
  
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I would like to help.... but I have no idea. All women are crazy to begin with, and then throw in the fact that shes apprantely even crazier than most.... good luck!
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Maybe I'm getting a little bit stereotypical here but to me that sounds pretty normal of women, I believe your in the same boat as the millions of other men who get confused as shit by women.
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All signs point to stay the hell away
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On April 07 2012 18:07 feanor1 wrote:
All signs point to stay the hell away
Yes. As a general rule of thumb, I try to stay away from people that are unable to state what they want in an adult and mature manner. You want to fuck? Fine, let's fuck. You realized than you changed your mind and actually want to engage in a relationship? Then just SAY IT, do not try to make the other people understand it through not-so-subtle text messages harassment !
This applies to men AND women.
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either keep ignoring her or tell her what's up directly what you feel (I didn't quite get if you were still interested in her at the end of the blog), either way tell her that she should make it out wether she wants a relationship (maybe just friends with benefits?) or not.
Make it as simple as possible, in the same time you make it as simple as possible for yourself too (should be even easier if you don't feel emotionally connected to her, cold but hey it works)
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tldlr: bitch be crazy
you are dumb or simply blinded by love/passion/lust if you can't see this.
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On April 07 2012 18:23 phosphorylation wrote:
tldlr: bitch be crazy
you are dumb or simply blinded by love/passion/lust if you can't see this.
Can you people learn to have a bit more respect?
I'm absolutely infuriated by the number of men acting all misogynistic on Internet. Calling women "bitches" doesn't make you cool, you know? At best, you sound like an intoxicated frat boy at a party.
This person is acting crazy, and doesn't look mature enough to express what she actually wants. Does that make her a bitch?
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She is "shit-testing" you. A shit-test (also known as a fitness-test) is a technique girls use to evaluate whether you are "guy-worthy". They do this mostly unconsciously and they can't help but do it.
If her current behaviour is something you don't like (looks like it), you need to put a stop to it. Tell her what she's doing is not acceptable to you and then don't reply until she gets her act together. For instance, you can say stop playing games and either commit or don't. An important thing is to not get angry - stay calm and make reasonable demands. At all costs, you must not answer her texts like nothing has happened.
Basically, what you're doing now is rewarding her bad behaviour - in the past, you've been answering the texts even though you've got nothing concrete in return. Basically, rewarding her need for attention without anything back.
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It's a vernacular idiom (ie she is not literally a "bitch")
But perhaps I was being rash with the words. I apologize if I have offended anyone.
Regardless, my point still stands.
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seems to me to be the following: she initially just passed this off as a one night stand and was content to do so. however,maybe you see each ofter often. are you coworkers? shes probably taken quite a liking to you and despite of what she said might be growing attached to you. people often state things, with feelings and romance involved these things often get thrown out of the window or are rather more loosely adhered to. so despite her initial stance on looking to get settled in with someone a little more mature ( not to say you arent) shes let her guard down /opened up towards you and is ofc looking for some like-minded feedback from your side. since your attention on her has been rather scarce lately ( due to you being swamped) she might feel kinda pissed off, precisely BECAUSE she let you into her romantic life and now all of a sudden you dont seem to be that interested in her anymore. you might be but given your curt messages/lack of attention/etc shes getting another picture. and about the change of attitude all of a sudden: maybe she should apologize, i dont know, but shes just willing to overlook that slight in favor of getting in contact with you again.
so if you still havent gotten it: she really likes you!
thats my take on the situation
*edit* i forgot: never underestimate the effect of a night of intimacy and waking up next to that person in the morning.
ofc everybodys different but in my experience this holds true for most people at that age.
early twenties are often such a confused time for people. and id hate to sound sexist but
there are lots of people who will says that women(especially young ones) just cant tell sex and love apart.
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It really sounds to me like she wants the benefits of a relationship without actually committing. I could be wrong though 
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My guess is that the girl is torn between her social conditioning/instinct to become a gold digger and potential desire/longing (one night stands can deeply affect certain girls) for you.
In any case, it is a mess and you should steer clear.
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On April 07 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote:
They do this mostly unconsciously and they can't help but do it.
Are we talking about human beings there, or are we conducting a field study about some strange animal? I'm not quite sure from your answer... Actually the more I read it, the more it looks like some guide to educate your pet...
On April 07 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote:
Basically, what you're doing now is rewarding her bad behaviour - in the past, you've been answering the texts even though you've got nothing concrete in return.
Relevant:
![[image loading]](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pickup_artist.png)
To OP: I really don't think you shouldn't take any advice from a forum visibly crowded with people thinking they know everything about women because they read "PUA" forums regularly. My piece of advice is what I stated above: do not see this kind of behaviour differently because she is a woman. What would you think of a male friend or co-worker acting incoherently?
Either he is crazy, or he can't seem to tell you something that is bothering him. The same applies to this situation, and depending on what you think is true you should:
1°) Do not see this person again
2°) Ask the person to stop acting childishly and demand an explaination
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She sounds pretty messed up, I doubt a healthy realtionship can come out of that
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On April 07 2012 18:46 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote:
They do this mostly unconsciously and they can't help but do it.
Are we talking about human beings there, or are we conducting a field study about some strange animal? I'm not quite sure from your answer... Relevant: + Show Spoiler +To OP: I really don't think you shouldn't take any advice from a forum visibly crowded with people thinking they know everything about women because they read "PUA" forums regularly.
Added a spoiler to the image so it won't take up too much space.
Just like guys are attracted to beauty, girls have the need to shit-test. By saying they do it unconsciously means that she's not doing it on purpose just to mess with the OP but that is part of who they are. Game works because it gives a man the insight into male-female interaction: what works, and what doesn't.
To the observer, it's clear that her behaviour is not acceptable to the OP (i.e. bad behaviour). My suggestion is 100% reasonable and in no way demeans the girl or the OP.
All you've done is made some replies condemning game and white-knighting her but you haven't made any positive contributions to help the OP.
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On April 07 2012 18:30 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 18:23 phosphorylation wrote:
tldlr: bitch be crazy
you are dumb or simply blinded by love/passion/lust if you can't see this. Can you people learn to have a bit more respect? I'm absolutely infuriated by the number of men acting all misogynistic on Internet. Calling women "bitches" doesn't make you cool, you know? At best, you sound like an intoxicated frat boy at a party. This person is acting crazy, and doesn't look mature enough to express what she actually wants. Does that make her a bitch?
Get off your high horse. A bitch is a bitch. Doesn't mean every woman is a bitch or that you hate women. She was behaving all bitchy is all.
OP dodged a bullet. Look at the bright side: you both got laid, life goes on. (I do realise nothing people say right now can really make you feel better since it seems you really liked her but you'll get over it.)
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Read again Azzur, my contribution was repeated over and over again: the girl does not know what she wants, and you should stay away from this kind of immature people. If he cares that much for her, he could give her a chance, go to her and ask her to say what she wants. Period. I said it twice already, now that's the third time.
As for your "Men do this, woman do that" explanation, I don't buy it. I've encountered so much diversity in behaviour from both men and women that any attempt to stereotype any gender is doomed to fail. Or to put it differently, if someone is a stereotype of its gender, I'd rather not have any kind of interaction with this individual as it would be in my opinion an absolutely uninteresting person.
The game works because most people, and more particularly unconfident ones (teenagers and young adults, who are coincidentally the people that are playing "the game") love to have a nice set of things they should follow or not follow, do or not do. Luckily, as people grow up, they find in themselves the strenght to emancipate themselves from those cliches.
Or not.
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On April 07 2012 18:59 d00p wrote:
Get off your high horse. A bitch is a bitch. Doesn't mean every woman is a bitch or that you hate women. She was behaving all bitchy is all.
If you fail to see that the word "bitch" is sexually connotative and should not be used there, I can't help it. She's not a bitch. She can be stupid, immature, childish, egoist, disrespectful, but she can't be a bitch, or a slut, or a whore, or any of those words all too often used to qualify a women doing stupid, immature, egoist or disrespectful stuff.
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i think a lot of people are very quick to judge and simply pass this off as a "bitch" acting crazy.
what one might forget is that, like is said before, she could be a little confused, and by that i mean not sure how she can
reconcile her self-stated ethic of going for more mature men and the feelings she might have for you ( who doesnt seem to fit her "target group").
what you two should do is talk about it. dont keep her at arms length. for all you know this might be causing her some suffering. ive been in that situation too where someone is making him/herself scarce and you are left with the desire to get in contact with that person. if youve grown emotionally attached to that person it can be quite painful.
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On April 07 2012 18:01 Black[CAT] wrote:
Is she Chinese?
Ahahaha. I wonder how many people here will have experienced the same.
This girl seems really clingy and socially dumb. She doesn't know what she wants from you. She's insecure and spams your phone with text messages, that would turn me the hell off. She's bad news and you should stay away.
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Clearly, she wanted to be fuckbuddies.
Hey! Chance of a lifetime, where are you going!
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Hmmm... If she's really hot and everything, I'd recommend keeping her around as a fuckbuddy, but I wouldn't recommend starting a relationship with her. Women that insecure usually make for poor GFs, she's most likely very very jealous, which would just make it worse.
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I think it might be a good idea to ask a close friend or two of hers (who's also a good friend of yours) if she's ever done this to other people, and why.
But I'd recommend staying away from speculation. I think it's impossible to figure out what a woman is thinking ... you just gotta admit ignorance and ask her haha.
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She's looking for someone (but not you) and it isn't working out. She's confused herself with her dissapointing love-life and you, good sir, are the victim.
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This is just my own experience, but if I ever felt utterly confused in a relationship, it was usually what the girl was going for. If the intentions are unclear, they're usually bad. This case might be an exception but it sure sounds like a woman that wants to take advantage of you.
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I'm not going to lie, but a majority of my male friends seem to be dating crazy women. The sad reality is setting in that perhaps all women are crazy.
That being said, I think that this woman is simply confused. She is obviously thinking about you and has wanted to, and you're not her picture perfect late-20s to early-30s man with a stable job. There's a good chance that she's upset at you for making her like you, as ridiculous as that sounds. I'd back away slowly, and if she doesn't get the hint, there are always less subtle ways to tell her how you feel.
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Get as much sex as possible. Stay away from anything else. This girl seems to have the crazy eyes!
![[image loading]](http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk1b562eIJ1qhgvr6o1_500.jpg)
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Don't stick your dick into crazy.
One of the few useful tips from reddit.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2012 18:46 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote:
They do this mostly unconsciously and they can't help but do it.
Are we talking about human beings there, or are we conducting a field study about some strange animal? I'm not quite sure from your answer... Actually the more I read it, the more it looks like some guide to educate your pet... Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 18:31 Azzur wrote:
Basically, what you're doing now is rewarding her bad behaviour - in the past, you've been answering the texts even though you've got nothing concrete in return.
Relevant: To OP: I really don't think you shouldn't take any advice from a forum visibly crowded with people thinking they know everything about women because they read "PUA" forums regularly. My piece of advice is what I stated above: do not see this kind of behaviour differently because she is a woman. What would you think of a male friend or co-worker acting incoherently? Either he is crazy, or he can't seem to tell you something that is bothering him. The same applies to this situation, and depending on what you think is true you should: 1°) Do not see this person again 2°) Ask the person to stop acting childishly and demand an explaination
man that shit is deep.......
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On April 07 2012 17:57 EngrishTeacher wrote:
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I never would have imagined someone could be this crazy / emotionally unstable / manipulative / etc. ?
Keep the following in mind when making any decision regarding hot/crazy girls.
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Listen, you get choose 2 out of the 3 - batshit crazy, hot, intelligent. She happened to be hot and intelligent.
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As others have said, leave her be, you don't need that shit. If you want to keep her number around to hook up with her every now and then after a party, by all means, but she's not relationship material. Your average 21 year old is not terribly mature. My guess is that she's been looking around at most guys her age, throwing her hands in the air in frustration, and concluding that she needs to look for older partners, but she didn't realize that she was actually just as immature.
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On April 07 2012 18:01 Black[CAT] wrote:
Is she Chinese?
This.... Is sadly what I thought too. Sounds like my ex-wife >.>.
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I can only say one thing to this.
ABORT ABORT ABORT!!!!!
Seriously bro, get out while you still have your balls attached.
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To her you probably look as crazy as she does to you. Guy asks me out, I decline because I don't think I'm ready, we have sex because I was drunk, then I decided I wanted to be with him... but now he doesn't have time for me!? What's wrong with this guy!
Just try being sane and trying to explain everything from your perspective, and let her do the same. In my experience 99% of disagreements stem from misinformation or poor perception about the situation.
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On April 08 2012 01:18 UmiNotsuki wrote:
To her you probably look as crazy as she does to you. Guy asks me out, I decline because I don't think I'm ready, we have sex because I was drunk, then I decided I wanted to be with him... but now he doesn't have time for me!? What's wrong with this guy!
Just try being sane and trying to explain everything from your perspective, and let her do the same. In my experience 99% of disagreements stem from misinformation or poor perception about the situation.
you owe me $5
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The amount of misogyny here is disgusting. Here is a very easy solution to your problem: be an adult and ask her what's up or just stop talking to her. It's not that deep.
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She sounds so easy to get along with and down to earth. What could possibly go wrong?
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Get out now. Just tell her you wanna be friends. Sounds like she could be an emotionally unstable burden if she wormed her way into your life.
edit: lol at all the white-knights up in this thread saying "you just need to ask her how she feels" etc.
No. Just no.
If a guy was acting like this towards a woman, she would without a doubt start ignoring calls/texts from and avoiding this person. Just because its the woman bringing the crazy doesnt make it misogynistic to back the fuck away from a potential drama bomb.
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DANGER. DANGER. DO NOT APPROACH. REPEAT: DO NOT APPROACH.
Seriously though, either talk to her about whats going on (she could be overthinking EVERYTHING and slowly be going insane, but in general have her shit together) OR she is REALLY confused about life and has no control over what is going on (in which case, as stated many times already, you need to book it).
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Well she sounds crazy to me. Hard to know for sure what's going on since you two haven't sat down and had any adult conversation about it.
Regardless though, the fact that she's unable to express what's going on to you is a sign of immaturity. I personally wouldn't have the patience to put up with that kind of thing. If you really like her, I'd say to sit down and have one conversation face to face that you insist she tell you whats up. If she still refuses, tell her that her behavior has become stressful/burdenful/whatever, and since she refuses to tell you what's wrong she needs to stop texting you or talking to you. Then peace and find someone better! 
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I've never met a lady who I could reasonably understand given some of the things they do / act like. Not even girls understand each other, so it's fubar...
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girls, the most unpredictable object ever exists on the earth
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I think I'd stay away from that one ........ best of luck =/ If she can have a normal conversation with you however and explain what the hell is up with her behavior.. meh give it a shot.
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This thread: 
The girl sounds crazy. Were it me, I'd either talk to her or sever ties.
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Women are crazy.
Here's the long and short of it, sit down, talk it out, act like a mature adult.
If she can't handle a serious discussion, she's really not ready for a relationship and is deluding herself looking for an older man for that purpose alone.
Also: assuming older men are more ready to settle down is kind of a delusion in itself, relationships take time and she might as well accept that any aged guy (who isnt a minor ) with time to spend on a relationship with her is more than adequate and probably preferred.
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On April 08 2012 07:35 ZeromuS wrote:Women are crazy. Here's the long and short of it, sit down, talk it out, act like a mature adult. If she can't handle a serious discussion, she's really not ready for a relationship and is deluding herself looking for an older man for that purpose alone. Also: assuming older men are more ready to settle down is kind of a delusion in itself, relationships take time and she might as well accept that any aged guy (who isnt a minor ) with time to spend on a relationship with her is more than adequate and probably preferred.
Hell yes, this is your solution right here. Good advice zeromus.
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* Girl is 21, hot as shit, intelligent and has a lot in common with me.
The world's use of figurative language is really morphing into nonsense.
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On April 08 2012 08:11 airtown wrote:The world's use of figurative language is really morphing into nonsense.
I noticed about that too .
I'm guilty too though. I often say "cold as hell". :/
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Thanks for all the replies, despite what some may say about TL advice immaturity, there are good logic and reasoning to be found here.
Answering questions:
She is Chinese, but please don't stereotype all Chinese women because of this.
We are co-workers, but we work in different buildings and I get off work much later than she does so we don't usually see each other during the day.
Call me blind/stupid, but I can't help but still really like her despite her behavior; I want to believe in her best, not her worst.
It's Sunday morning 8:30 and I'm already in the office ready to slave away, and I'm planning to visit her later this evening when I finish. If she can explain her behavior / has good reasons, then I'll risk my face one more time and ask her out again (would be the third time getting rejected by the same girl? Ouch, I'm still unsure of her intentions). If not, then I'll have no choice but to curb my feelings and dodge the bullet.
Thanks again and wish me luck.
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On April 07 2012 19:09 Ahelvin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 18:59 d00p wrote:
Get off your high horse. A bitch is a bitch. Doesn't mean every woman is a bitch or that you hate women. She was behaving all bitchy is all.
She's not a bitch. She can be stupid, immature, childish, egoist, disrespectful, but she can't be a bitch.
Contradiction identified!
What's the big deal? Men who are of this nature are called dicks, or assholes, women of this nature are called bitches or cunts... Basically, they're just bad names.
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On April 08 2012 05:13 emucxg wrote:
girls, the most unpredictable object ever exists on the earth
What about electrons? o_O
I agree with everyone. Just stay away. Even if she's hot. It's horrible being in a relationship where you have no idea where the other person is.
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You bugged someone who wasn't that interested in you at first, then when you finally got into her head, you're wondering why she "likes" you now? You got everything you wanted, but the fact that she gave it to you makes her a "crazy bitch". How on earth do you have the nerve to complain about this shit?
Honestly, when she told you she would only date older guys, you should have just left it alone. Why would you want to keep going after someone who says that? Whether they lied or not, it's not a good sign. You could have easily avoided this stupid bullshit if you had just left her alone. Instead you got rejected, waited around like a creep until she was vulnerable, and now you're wondering why she's acting so "crazy" toward you. I hope you two break it off for both of your sake, and next time you get rejected, don't do what you just did just so you can have a petty drunken night of sex and deal with the fallout.
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On April 08 2012 03:28 TheAntZ wrote:
Get out now. Just tell her you wanna be friends. Sounds like she could be an emotionally unstable burden if she wormed her way into your life.
edit: lol at all the white-knights up in this thread saying "you just need to ask her how she feels" etc.
No. Just no.
If a guy was acting like this towards a woman, she would without a doubt start ignoring calls/texts from and avoiding this person. Just because its the woman bringing the crazy doesnt make it misogynistic to back the fuck away from a potential drama bomb.
Yes, let's just be misogynist douchebags because teh wimmunz won't know how to react!
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On April 07 2012 18:15 Ahelvin wrote:Yes. As a general rule of thumb, I try to stay away from people that are unable to state what they want in an adult and mature manner. You want to fuck? Fine, let's fuck. You realized than you changed your mind and actually want to engage in a relationship? Then just SAY IT, do not try to make the other people understand it through not-so-subtle text messages harassment ! This applies to men AND women.
AMEN.
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texts every 30 mins= clingy= insecure= trouble
honestly i would never be able to survive that kind of relationship for a week. And to throw salt into the wound, she sounds like she has violent mood swings, based on the story regarding the phone call and return to normalcy the next day.
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I love the chicks dig jerks series. Why? Because nothing better reveals the actual, instead of professed, sexual preferences of women than the real life men they boff. And quite often these men are the bunghole of society.
Today’s installment would be frickin hilarious if it weren’t also so bloody violent. Eh, it’s still a knee slapper.
Two pretty girls enter the ring to fight over one thug wannabe. One girl will not leave, killed when the other girl stabbed her in the chest with a kitchen knife and left her to die in the street.
It starts with a love triangle. Always best for bringing the drama.
He did it again, Sarah told her best friend.
Her boyfriend, Josh, kept saying she was the only one. He’d been telling her that the whole time they’d been together. More than a year.
But that day she found out he had been hanging out with his ex — this girl named Rachel.
All morning, while she suffered through school, Rachel was texting Sarah, boasting that Josh was with her. Again.
One of the leading indicators of alphaness is how many women fight over your asshole affections.
I’m so over it, Sarah said.
Maxim #73: When a girl emphatically insists she is so over you, she’s never been more into you.
He did it again, Rachel said.
Her boyfriend, Josh, had slept over the night before, then bolted. He swore he cared about her, but it didn’t feel that way.
Worst of all, she kept finding evidence that he was still seeing his ex — this girl named Sarah.
Playa gonna play!
For months, Rachel’s friends had been telling her to forget about Josh. She could have any guy she wanted.
It’s true. These pretty girls who pine for lowlife assholes have lots of choices in conventionlly defined high quality men. Yet they cling like baby chimps to their jerk lovers. Wazzup wit dat, B?
Rachel and Sarah hated each other, saw each other as competition. But they were more alike than either would have liked to admit.
And more alike to a hundred million other women. Once you strip away the packaging and the cocktail party fluff, women are essentially interchangeable. Players know this, which is why they swim in pussy while romantic idealists struggle to claim one overharvested plot of poon.
So who is this dashing Lothario the girls love with all their young hearts and open snatches? Meet Josh Camacho.
But the main thing Rachel and Sarah shared was Josh Camacho. [...]
Josh had curly hair, the color of coal, spilling across sculpted shoulders. Black eyes, a long nose, wide lips curled into a sneer. His dark jeans hung low on his slim hips. He stood about 5 feet 5, but walked with the swagger of a bigger man.
Josh loved posing for cell phone portraits: flexing his biceps, waving a gun, showing off the tattoo that arcs across his back in inch-high Gothic letters: CAMACHO.
While seeing both Sarah and Rachel, Josh kept up a relationship with a third teenager, a girl he called “my baby mama.” They’d had a son together. He spent time with the baby but didn’t pay child support.
For a while, in high school, Josh cooked at Chick-fil-A and Pollo Tropical. But after graduation, he didn’t go to college, didn’t have a steady job or a car.
Chick-fil-A! That’s high status, ladies.
Here is a photo of the three lovebirds:
So what does this guy bring to the table? Let’s see…
Good looks? Not really. He’s got the skinny man six pack going for him, though. And of course the… ahem… exotic allure.
Money? Nope.
Job status? No.
Social status? Not any societally approved status. But he does have multiple women chasing him, which is a powerful form of social status. In fact, the most powerful kind.
Fame? Not when this was going down. But now he’s been preselected through the roof! Go long on his future lay rate.
Kindness, emotional support, and domestic chore splitting? No, no and fuck no.
Looks to me like this guy doesn’t offer women much of anything, if we go by what women — and the entire cultural apparatus — tell us that men should be offering them. But wait, there’s more. Here is what Senõr Camacho *does* bring to the table:
A cocky smirk. Slay lady, slay.
A righteous tattoo. Because how better to advertise your reproductive fitness than a self-referential tribute etched into your back?
A cool, unflustered demeanor. He knows the pussy is coming, so why sweat it?
And game. Oh yes, my friends, this kid has got game, and got it good. Keep reading for a prime example.
A lot of doubters of the efficacy of game insist that game is a charade that only works in the short term to fool women, and that women will eventually figure out the man doesn’t have “real” high status. Stories like this put the lie to that thinking. Game is its own status; the mere application of game is a demonstration of status, and not just a proxy for status. A cocky smirk and a devil-may-care attitude is as much real male status as a big bankroll. Often, it’s higher status. See: Mark Zuckerberg. This loser thug gets more and higher quality — yes, HIGHER QUALITY — pussy than a fucking billionaire.
And the continual application of game causes it to become second nature, an unthinking process, so that it is no longer a deliberate mimicking of the alpha traits women love but an extension of a man’s nature. Josh Camacho may have been born with some natural game, but undoubtedly his first successes with women reinforced whatever latent confidence he had, and the smirk that started as an affect soon became a subconscious reflection of his weighty ballsack and supercharged ego. Game will do the same for any man; the successes with women build on each other until your alpha pose isn’t a pose anymore. The opposite is also true: continual failures with women will build on each other until the latent, baby beta in you grows and consumes your soul.
Conclusion: if you want to nail good-looking women as efficiently as possible, and to keep them around fighting for your attention, start with learning game.
Game/charisma — One to six months to begin seeing results.
Money — Five to fifty years to earn enough to make a difference in attracting women.
High status professional career — Four to twelve years slogging through academia for the proper credentials.
Fame — Infinitesimally low odds.
Good looks — Luck. Or plastic surgery (see: money).
It’s a no-brainer.
Furthermore, if you want to bang the HOTTEST babes, learn uncaring asshole game. The hotter the girl, the more she will tingle for an unrepentant asshole. Corollary: if you want to date haggard cougars who’ve been plunged like a backed up toilet for twenty years and would settle for any old kind-hearted beta to help them raise their bastard spawn, then skip the asshole game. It’s overkill.
What was it about Josh that was so alluring? What made the girls swoon and dream of him at night and exclaim their undying love and tell their friends and family that “He’s special. You don’t see what I see in him” and stab a competitor in the heart in a jealous rage?
Well, here’s a telling glimpse at the source of his power:
Sarah texted Josh.1:06 p.m.: “Whatever Josh, you get so mad at me for everything but you don’t give a shit when she puts something up or says something. You always believe her.”
1:08 p.m. “It’s like no matter what I do she’s always that much better.”
1:13 p.m. “All we fight about is her or something that has to do with her, and it sucks. I hate fighting with you . . . I love you so much, but this shit hurts.”
Hours passed. Sarah tried again.
6:36 p.m. “You say you love me, but you don’t even have the decency to text me back?”
Finally, at 8:02 p.m., Josh typed, “Bring the movies.”
“Bring the movies.” Step aside, Skittles Man, there’s a new kid in town — Bring the Movies Man. This kid has mastered laconic text game. Overgaming man should take note. In the future, whenever I hit a stumbling block with a woman I’m trying to bed, I’ll remember the philosophy of “bring the movies”, and instantly my game will tighten and my ladykiller attitude will reassert itself.
Damn this chick isn’t calling me back? Wait… bring the movies!
Three dates and we still haven’t banged… bring the movies!
How do I reply to this weird text from her? Bring the movies!
She’s trying to make me jealous by flirting with another guy. Bring the movies!
She refuses to do anal. Bring the movies!
What else did Josh Camacho have going for him that girls found irresistible? He understood female psychology, and used that knowledge to his adavantage.
“When a teenage girl feels another girl is intruding on her territory, when she feels someone is disrespecting her, those are the things that upset them most.”
Josh Camacho may have understood this. Though he later denied saying it, his girlfriends remember him declaring, “If you love me, you’ll fight for me.”
Is this manipulation? Or romance? Whichever it is, in-demand girls can’t get enough of it.
Sarah was her dad’s sidekick. He took her to karate classes, Lightning games, Keith Urban concerts. She rode beside him in his cab, blaring the radio, singing country songs.
“Sarah loved to sing and dance,” said Danielle Eyermann, her friend since preschool. “She was always making up these crazy moves, pretending she was Britney Spears.”
Sarah also loved the cock of badboys. Like most hot chicks.
What I just wrote above is harsh, but necessary. The sugar and spice veneer needs to be stripped to the knotted wood below. Fathers across America need to understand what motivates their blossoming daughters, what primal forces shape their decisions and their reckless impertinence. For without that understanding, many parents will continue being hoodwinked by the predators in the weeds. And the predator isn’t who they think it is…
it’s their own daughters’ ids.
“[Sarah] just fell in love with [Josh Camacho], right then,” Amber said.
He said his name was Josh. Soon, he would be a senior at Pinellas Park High.
Two months later, Sarah told her parents she wasn’t sure she still wanted to be a veterinarian.
She didn’t know what she wanted to do, really. Except transfer to Pinellas Park.
Feminists wept. And yet, I’m sure they’ll find some way to rationalize the patriarchy for being at fault of dashing this young girl’s career dreams. Must be stereotype threat, or something.
Josh’s command of game is obivous:
Josh and Sarah flirted through the summer. But that fall at Pinellas Park High, he would hardly acknowledge her. He would just cut his eyes at her, Amber said, tip his chin.
In November, they finally got together. But even then, “he would never hold her hand or walk with her, claim her in front of other people,” Amber said. “When they were alone, he was all over her.”
PDA is beta. Josh understood this.
Everyone said Josh was Sarah’s first kiss, her first boyfriend, her first everything. He made her feel beautiful, like she mattered.
But her friends were worried. The first sign was when Sarah started wearing pants. Sarah always wore shorts. Even in winter.
“Josh didn’t want other guys to see her legs,” Amber said. “He started telling her who she could hang out with, who she could talk to.”
Chicks like to be led by men with psychosocial dominance. Josh understood this.
Sarah started spending all her time with Josh. She was so scared of losing him that she was losing herself.
Chicks love the drama of unstable relationships. Josh understood this.
Josh saw himself as tough and streetwise. Sarah pretended she was too. On her cell phone, she stored photos of Josh apparently smoking pot, Josh waving a gun. She downloaded hip-hop songs like Stop Callin’ Me and Chopped N Skrewed.
Chicks love men with strong identities. Josh understood this.
Where was Sarah’s father in all this?
She begged her dad for a pit bull. “You gotta be joking!” he remembers saying. He referred to Josh as “the rat.” He kept telling her, “That boy is no good.”
“But she was in love,” Charlie Ludemann said. “You can’t do nothing about a teenage girl in love.”
“The rat”. Pretty accurate description. Ok, so the father was aware the kid was a loser. But he sounds stupid — “can’t do nothing” — so it’s likely he didn’t have the brainpower to figure out a plan of action. Too bad, because there is something you can do about your teen daughter in love with a badboy…
You can ritualistically humiliate him in front of her. Nothing drains the passion from a girl’s love faster than a public diminution in her lover’s status.
Let’s see if the father took my advice:
He couldn’t keep Sarah away from Josh, so he invited Josh over for dinner, took him to ball games. To keep an eye on him.
“Don’t let nothing happen to her,” he said.
Nope. Instead, he elevated the kid’s status and welcomed him into the family. Dumbass. So how’d that “don’t let nothing happen to her” work out for you, pops?
Sarah had never been in any kind of trouble, but now that started to change.
In the first six months she was with Josh, police interviewed her six times, all over public confrontations. She and Josh screamed at each other at intersections. Yelled at Josh’s baby mama in the parking lot of the movies. Once, Sarah said Josh had punched her in the face and he admitted it. Her parents wanted her to press charges, but Sarah wouldn’t.
Chicks fall in love with men who hit them ALL THE TIME. It’s the dirtiest little secret about female psychology that the feminists try so desperately to keep hidden from public consciousness. I’m not surprised Sarah balked at pressing charges.
The next time her name was in a police report, Rachel’s was in it too.
Cat fights are sexy until someone’s pierced heart is spurting blood onto the street.
Soon a comment appeared under Rachel’s post. It suggested that Josh had “found better.”
It was from Sarah.
The biggest misogynists are other women.
Sarah didn’t feel she was worthy of Josh. Without a job or a car, how could she compete? Plus, she told her friends, she still had a curfew!
Rachel is so much prettier, she thought.
But she had already given everything to this guy — her senior year, her heart, her virginity. If he didn’t want her anymore, who would?
Rachel was cocky. How could Josh want anyone else? Look at her, she had her own car, her own apartment.
She was so much prettier than Sarah.
Camacho was playing these two girls like a fiddle. Master game. And all it required was an aloof attitude, an amused demeanor, and a terse communication style.
About 11 p.m., the time Sarah was supposed to be home, she and Josh were playing Wii at his sister’s house when headlights pierced the windows.
Josh recognized the car: Rachel’s red Saturn.
“Now I know why you’re not talking to me — because you got her,” Rachel texted Josh.
“That’s right,” typed Josh.
Alpha. No apology, no dissembling. If you thought that would turn off the girl, you thought wrong. The Betas of the Month winners could learn from this kid.
It’s a wonder [Camacho] had the dexterity: By then, he later admitted, he had thrown back five vodka shots and smoked seven White Owl blunts of marijuana.
“I don’t like you no more. Why are you down this street? Go home.”
- Roissy
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omg this thread is awesome :D
subscribing!
oh and yeah you should probably stay away. She is definitely *not* sane.
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I think your common sense is competing with your desire for sex. If she had a one night stand with you chances are she has done it before. She is playing with you now, probably means she is immature and doesn't know what she wants. You are already irritated and frustrated by her. The only reason you are interested in her, nearest I can tell, is she gave you some one night and you like the way she looks. It is possible that given time she might come around and commit to you. Sounds like it would be a relationship you would come to regret. I think you should set your sights elsewhere. Let her try and change your mind about her, if she even cares enough to do it.
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Dude , she told you she doesn't want to date you. You got friendzoned and she just enjoys to talk a lot to you. I had the same thing so i know from experience, Sure, talk to her but don't hope for anyting more but friends.
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You'll understand one day this is normal behavior for most women.. Nothing unusual about this.. Move along
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One way or another, this has bad news all over it.
Here's my take: She wants to be with an older, more established guy to take care of her. Possible gold-digger status, but that might be a bit extreme. Regardless she wants someone to take of her to some degree, and I wouldn't be surprised if that included financially.
She likes you in the "high school boyfriend" sense, in that she enjoy being around you etc. but you don't fit her long-term plans.
She is sounds pretty unstable. I don't see how this could possibly end well. Casual sex if you must, but go no further than that, and, per usual, just staying the hell away is the safest option.
Edit: I want to say something regarding the "women as usual" stuff. No, this isn't. While women can get crazy and mood-swinging regarding guys, this is usually WELL after a relationship has been established and they feel comfortable showing whoever they are with their most emotional and vulnerable side. Even then, it usually isn't to this extreme.
Doing that sort of thing this early is a pretty good sign of crazy.
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She wants you to be a man! Stop asking for a relationship and take it be decisive and fun and stop and tell her straight up.
"Listen your my girl from now but I have a rule only 3 text a day max and 1 call every 2 days” then grab and kiss her.
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Isn't there a formula somewhere showing the proportionality of hotness to crazy? Or is that just an episode of How I Met Your Mother?
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girls want you to chase them.
it is known.
if they know youre interested and you dont do anything to "chase" after them...they will wonder why.
and will try to get your attention.
trust me.
you had a slight chance there.
but
she probably using it as an ego boost.
pretty girls like to do that...alot.
i hope youre alright
=D
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