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Should I give up on Terran?

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Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 21:43:43
April 04 2012 21:43 GMT
#1
I'm writing this out of desperation.

I play ~50 games a day on the KR ladder. I've played some medium -high masters players there, including some people that I recognized (to my delight). Recently though, I've been flopping around helplessly in KR diamond with maybe a 30% win rate per day, and I'm losing to absolutely awful players of all races.

I am a slow player, I avg MAYBE 250 apm, 150 Eapm on a good day, and I'm finding that this straight up is just not good enough. I lose game after game after game to the minutest micro mistakes. Whats that? Look away from your army and the chargelots attack moved? gg wp, Find Match. What's that, you missed an emp and your army got shredded, and even though you're on 6 base to 2 base and have 30 rax you can't reinforce fast enough? gg wp, Find Match. What's that, you want to play mech in tvt? Too bad it's fucking terrible on 90% of the ladder maps...

I just don't get it. I gg almost every opponent, I watch my replays, I study pros, and I UNDERSTAND why I'm losing games - it's not a mystery. It just feels like I need to have mechanics that are unattainable for my physical capabilities to hold my own against masters kr level players. I feel like no amount of understanding will help me if I dont have the 400-500 apm required to do tvp engagements properly, and it's making me really unhappy that no amount of time and effort that I put into this game is giving me results.

What am I supposed to do?

*
NewDawn
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada120 Posts
April 04 2012 21:50 GMT
#2
With an average of 15 minutes per game, you play over 12 hours of Starcraft per day? I don't think that's a good thing >.<

Also, I don't think you need more than an average of 250apm. I mean, you might need to peak to 400/500, but never sustain that.

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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 04 2012 21:51 GMT
#3
Wait for hear of the swarm? Seriously though do you find the other races more enjoyable? No? Then don't switch, the biggest problem with high level sc2 is the game becoming a chore, if T is boring for you than you should switch, if it's not then switching wont make you more motivated, and motivation(plus star sense and wrist implants) are what will help you overcome bullshit.
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Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 22:03:55
April 04 2012 22:03 GMT
#4
On April 05 2012 06:50 NewDawn wrote:
With an average of 15 minutes per game, you play over 12 hours of Starcraft per day? I don't think that's a good thing >.<

Also, I don't think you need more than an average of 250apm. I mean, you might need to peak to 400/500, but never sustain that.



ALOT of games end very quickly. I play more like 6hrs a day,± a bunch
UmiNotsuki
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States633 Posts
April 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#5
Gogogo random it up!
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SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
April 04 2012 22:14 GMT
#6
Well if you do, Don't pick Protoss cause you'll be making the same thread in about a month with the way PvZ feels. Though Zergs seem to be doing really good lately.
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Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 04 2012 22:19 GMT
#7
I can't tell if this is a troll thread or not.

do what the guy in the skill ceiling thread said

go break the floor and lay a new foundation
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 04 2012 22:20 GMT
#8
maybe you should focus on clicking less and more efficiently than clicking more. because apparently your "250 apm" means you aren't very efficient.
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-04 23:02:56
April 04 2012 23:02 GMT
#9
This is why people get paid to play this game...its not supposed to be a walk in the park. It's not supposed to make your ego feel good. If you want to improve, suck it up.

KR ladder is hard.. they dont let you win like they do on NA
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
April 04 2012 23:08 GMT
#10
i feel you.
terran is just fucked up right now t-t
when i watch the replay afterwards i cant even understand how my opponent manages to breathe on his own, yet he beat me. (top eu master)
that gets me even madder (?).
i think you whether have to deal with it or stop at all. i dont feel like raceswitching is a good option (atleast not for me and trust me, ive tried soo often)
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achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
April 05 2012 00:10 GMT
#11
I'd say stick to terran but maybe do some offracing on a smurf or smth. Terran is getting beat up pretty badly by both zergs and protosses (the average ladder player). But before all this discovering of strats/builds by protoss and zerg terran was easily the strongest race. Nowadays terrans are lagging behind in strategies and new stuff, so just wait until someone re-invents the terran metagame. OR wait for HotS. Your call.
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Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
April 05 2012 00:34 GMT
#12
Do pro sc2 players even have 250 APM now? There is no way that 250 APM could be considered slow in sc2. I guess just do whatever you have the most fun with unless you are making your living off sc2. Also I don't think I've ever seen a pro with 500 APM even in a battle.
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DKR
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom622 Posts
April 05 2012 00:43 GMT
#13
On April 05 2012 09:34 Maxd11 wrote:
Do pro sc2 players even have 250 APM now? There is no way that 250 APM could be considered slow in sc2. I guess just do whatever you have the most fun with unless you are making your living off sc2. Also I don't think I've ever seen a pro with 500 APM even in a battle.



Morrow 400 spam APM is the highest I'm aware of. APM and EPM are such poor indicators or skill. Cause and correlation...
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