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Zoel
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States6 Posts
March 31 2012 13:09 GMT
#1
Continued from here

When you're first starting out in starcraft, making a strategy and applying it is a lot like producing a pornographic film on a shoestring budget. You seek out a model whom you find suitably attractive, such as miss four gate or miss some build I saw Thorazain do on the Day 9 daily. Then you compose a script or vague conception of how the 'story' is supposed to play out, which is mostly just stuff you think would be hot I guess. But before you even get to the point where you try to produce the film, you arrive at your film site only to realize that you somehow managed to book a room inside of a daycare.

What do you do?

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Act natural and record the event for posterity.



After beating my way out of lossbot land, I ended up at the minimum MMR for people who are physically at their computer. Right above that spot you have a place where MMR is effectively meaningless. In the style of the woman pictured above, I decided to 'go easy' on people which for me means that I was 'playing normally.'

The following two replays aren't really worth watching, but I've included them for the sake of completeness. They're more like citations. Or I guess you can see how bad I am at starcraft. Whatever. Of note is that neither player talks. I think this is because pressing enter is an advanced technique.

A player that does not make units.
A player that makes units.

What these replays are demonstrating is that at the lowest MMR, someone who makes units can easily have a lower MMR than someone who does not make units. There are a few good reasons for this. The accuracy of any rating system is much worse at the bottom than at the top. Why?

1. Jerks like me who have tanked their rating to Bronze. You can't choose to be a grandmaster; anyone can be Bronze at any time they want. Half the people in this basement of bronze MMR are here intentionally because they don't want to play at their MMR, for whatever reason.
2. There just aren't many players at this MMR. It's not uncommon to play someone twice or three times in a row.
3. Lossbots are still present at this level, so it messes with ratings a lot.
4. The more you learn any skill based game, the things you can do to improve become more and more subtle. Somewhere, there has to be the line between people who build units and people who don't, and it's right here. It's just not a fine line where bad players are under it and better players are over it.

But enough about that, let's look at some low MMR anger porn:



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It's not easy being P.

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Pictured: Burrowed mutalisks vs. immortals.

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I am perfectly average at 2v2. GOOD DAY, SIR.


*****
I don't OVEN.
YouthSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom355 Posts
March 31 2012 13:31 GMT
#2
This... is LOL... The only thing you have to do is build workers and build units... why do people not do it?
The more I practice, the luckier I get!
Zoel
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States6 Posts
March 31 2012 13:56 GMT
#3
Near as I can tell, people are finally listening to financial planners and saving for retirement.
I don't OVEN.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
March 31 2012 14:02 GMT
#4
DAT 2v2 GOLD LEAGUE

Had a good laugh :D
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
March 31 2012 14:32 GMT
#5
2v2 is harder than 1v1. In 1v1, you fight one guy. In 2v2 you fight 2. Being Gold means you're average, meaning that being gold in 2v2 means that you are twice as good as average

I bet he's only in bronze because he gets cheesed
Trucy Wright is hot
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
March 31 2012 14:37 GMT
#6
On March 31 2012 23:32 Purind wrote:
2v2 is harder than 1v1. In 1v1, you fight one guy. In 2v2 you fight 2. Being Gold means you're average, meaning that being gold in 2v2 means that you are twice as good as average

I bet he's only in bronze because he gets cheesed


No, its because of the extreme imbalances of the game. Obviously his race is the empitome of skill and the others are noskill facerolls.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 31 2012 15:03 GMT
#7
I was about to be dissapointed because of the torturing of innocent bronzies, but then I just loled. Burrowed mutalisk hahahaha. Nah bro I'm a pro gold. hahhaahaha
Dujek
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom276 Posts
March 31 2012 16:02 GMT
#8
I miss being a Bronze player, life was simpler.

I use to go gateway, core, robo, bay then attack with 1 collosus :D It worked occasionally.
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
March 31 2012 17:15 GMT
#9
There exist people like this past Bronze too, in Gold league I remember someone getting angry and leaving because he didn't actually get any upgrades and I was 3/3 ;p
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
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