EPTLadder is a tool to be used to improved, but if you feel bad about losing too many games you can all-in/cheese and get some wins again. Sad but true.
The All In Manifesto - Page 2
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Ladder is a tool to be used to improved, but if you feel bad about losing too many games you can all-in/cheese and get some wins again. Sad but true. | ||
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GreatFall
United States1061 Posts
I would have to agree that this could work towards augmenting your rank / league! | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
On March 24 2012 04:58 Jitsu wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2012 03:52 ClysmiC wrote: I cannot support this. Where is the fun in beating the same old build into the ground over and over just so you can squeeze out more wins than you're actually worth? Maybe that's for some people, but not for me. While you cannot support this, I sure can. Let me show you how I know this to be fact. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/rgBj4.jpg) As some of you might know, there are a few things going on in this picture. I will break it down for you because I am not only good looking, but exceptionally skilled at powers of logic and deduction. Trust me, I play Mafia, so I know what i'm talking about. The first, and most forward observation one can make is the fact that I, Jitsu, am holding the All In above my head. You, Clysmic, are not holding it above you're head. Thus, we can deduce that I can support it, and you cannot. Second, you are frowning, proving my theory that you are upset in you're lack of supporting ability. I would be smiling, but the All In is blocking my face (because I can support it, and because if it wasn't blocking my face, everyone looking at me would run around in a sheer panic at my alarmingly good looks). Lastly, I can easily justify me squeezing more wins then you. Compare our forearms. I can guarantee I have a stronger squeeze. It doesn't matter if it's wins...oranges...a towel after getting out of the shower. In simple mathematical terms... Jitsu Squeeze > ClysmiC Squeeze. If anyone would like to challenge me to a support competition, so be it. Just be aware, that when it comes to my ability to support, I am the jock strap to your pantyhose. Bring it on. Lol, not gonna lie, that made me laugh :D | ||
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Fhaete
Canada15 Posts
We're playing a competitive game. If you have a strategy that you think will allow you to beat me, then hit me with it ! I don't want to win merely because you decided a strategy perfectly within the rules would be "unfair" to use. I don't want you to apologize or feel bad if you beat me by finding a hole in my play. (Note that I do realize ladder isn't the same as a tournament. I don't play in tournaments though, so in terms of competitive play, this is it for me. Can't speak for everyone, obviously). | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
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Cycle
United States300 Posts
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TORTOISE
United States515 Posts
Perhaps it makes them feel elite. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On March 24 2012 06:10 TORTOISE wrote: Hell yeah. I'd rather have loads of fun all-inning than play "super serious" and only for improvement. It really seems like a lot of the SC2 player base (at least those expressing themselves online) considers themselves morally superior to the dirty "all inners". They would never lower themselves to playing a cheesy game. I just don't understand why this "NoRush 20 minute " sentiment has been so ingrained into the SC2 players. Perhaps it makes them feel elite. What's this idea that people who play macro games don't attack? I play a super agressive style, trying to get advantages at any point I can, yet I don't try to max out my production off of a certain amount of bases and pull all my SCV's at an arbitrary timing to go kill him no matter what. I can respect an "all-in" that has a reasoning behind it where the player is almost guaranteed a win. Most all-iners aren't that smart though, they're actually just doing dumb coin flips where a player has decided before hand to go all-in regardless of what his opponent is doing. If you do a shit load of damage with harass and have the unit composition to beat your opponent, by all means add on production and kill him a bit later when his economy starts to hurt his unit count. If he's double expanding without having a significant advantage which allows him to do so, sure, pull some SCV's to guarantee terrible terrible damage. Don't however do a blind proxy Thor all-in and pretend you won the game because you did something right (talking about ladder, it might be a good counter to a greedy build someone keeps doing in a BoX). | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
Uh... no. This is a video game. It's meant to have fun. If winning is all you care about, why not go download some maphacks? I mean the end justifies the means, right? I continue to rise on the ladder. I know two people who cheese all the time who have been demoted over the seasons. Standard players improve more over time. | ||
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Asthenic
United Kingdom45 Posts
MC is the master of it, if the opponent has a weakness then you should exploit it as hard as you can. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
Also, as if anybody cares what your rank is on ladder except for yourself. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On March 24 2012 11:06 Mobius_1 wrote: Finally some all-inners have spoken up against some false idea that if everyone on ladder agreed to playing 30min nr games we'd all be mysteriously "better" players and help Foreigner pros win the GSL! Also, as if anybody cares what your rank is on ladder except for yourself. Hmm I wonder if there's some correlation between a filthy cheeser and not giving a shit about ladder ranking.  I know whenever someone asks me my ranking and I tell them I genuinely don't know, they usually seem pretty confused. And admittedly, I've never been one to object to cheese ! Kinda seems like you're the same. ^^ | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On topic, I don't get the idea that someone who all-ins is a worse player than their opponent, or even that they "got lucky". The other player not being able to hold the all-in, or not scouting it far enough ahead of time to stop it is their own fault. As well, unless both players are playing perfectly (which is impossible), the game can be seen as gaining advantages from the opponent's mistakes. If the opponent making a mistake and you taking advantage of it is luck, then the entire game can be seen as luck, in a way. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On March 24 2012 11:20 Bibbit wrote: Hmm I wonder if there's some correlation between a filthy cheeser and not giving a shit about ladder ranking. I know whenever someone asks me my ranking and I tell them I genuinely don't know, they usually seem pretty confused. And admittedly, I've never been one to object to cheese ! Kinda seems like you're the same. ^^ Filthy cheeser who doesn't give a damn about ladder and proud! But wiggles has a good point, this thread needs more manifesto7. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 24 2012 20:41 MCDayC wrote: Not sure what Lupe Fiasco is doing in there, but do love that song. Whenever I feel like my "Old Man Blazinghand is here to lecture you" style blog posts are getting too long I drop some music in the middle of it to lighten things up. On March 24 2012 11:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Blazing, I thought this would be a post a about how you played Manifesto7 and he all-ined you. I am disappointed. Showmatch? On March 24 2012 15:18 Mobius_1 wrote: But wiggles has a good point, this thread needs more manifesto7. On March 24 2012 22:38 See.Blue wrote: Lame, i thought this was going to be a gallery of Mani cheesing noobs Three requests for Mani? I certainly can't let this pass by. Manifesto7, if you're around, I'd like to challenge you to an awesome Bo7 (or equivalent) showmatch in the streamable game of his choice. If you don't have Sc2, I have BW, but it might be fairer if you off-race ;_; "But wait," you say, "Manifesto7 is a well-known professional and doesn't have time to play a showmatch with you, Blazinghand. what could you possibly do that could make it worth his while? What's the wager that will bring Mani out of his cave of meditation on top of the tall mountain to take up his sword and do battle once more?" Thanks for asking! I am not a man of great fiscal means, so I can't really put up much money. I am, however, both an amateur author and an amateur streamer, so I will use that to balance my side of the wager. Should Manifesto7 win the wager, I will either write a series of short fiction articles featuring him in the situation or plot of his choice, or I will do some hilarious sexy dances in his honor on my stream to the choreography and music of his choice. The real question is if he is... Mani enough to take up the challenge? ![[image loading]](http://i.minus.com/iUBP2UtMo1zk2.gif) | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 24 2012 11:30 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Blazing, I thought this would be a post a about how you played Manifesto7 and he all-ined you. I am disappointed. Showmatch?. Yeah wtf I was sorely disappoint when I opened this thread! I demand a refund of my time. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On March 25 2012 06:29 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah wtf I was sorely disappoint when I opened this thread! I demand a refund of my time. Given that you and I are literally the same person you should not have been dissapointed at all! Don't worry though I have issues a challenge to Mani so we will see if he notices/responds. | ||
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