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On March 21 2012 13:17 Sc2Corpse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 13:12 RedJustice wrote:
Pokebunny and cz have the best advice-- don't give up if you are passionate about it, but leaving school may not be the best solution.
It seems you are already working, which can take away your time. Do you mind explaining what about school (whether it be the school you attend is so very difficult, your particular major, etc) that is keeping you from being able to spend time gaming more? Are you doing other activities that are a time suck? There may be solutions to free up more of your time than you think you have. Someone who can be very helpful for this is a learning resource specialist that many schools may offer as a resource. These people aren't just for someone who has a disability. They can help you with things like time management so that you can get things done very efficiently and have more free time. Pretty much the College I go to, which im sure most Colleges are like this SWAMP me with homework, I am talking about 4 classes giving homework 4 days a week, so it takes up a HUGE part of my time, I am majoring in Computer Programming so I also am doing hard math which I am struggling with since it is my worse subject, so really by the time I study and do homework, its time to go to sleep and wake up early and go to class, repeat, its just a huge road block in my way of my dream it feels like.
Here's an idea.. take less classes. If you can't get Masters while you are in college, you have no business trying to go pro. There have been poker players who banked 2 million in a year, and they were still going to school. I think school also keeps people mentally sharp and focused.
GL either way..
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As a uni student, you need to first learn to use your time on SC2 more wisely in order for it to pay off at all. Otherwise you'll be on reddit, playing FFAs, and eventually not finding yourself driven and saying that you are so far behind in life.
I get to play ~2 hours every few days now. My mechanics go in and out depending on natural variations of schedules that allow me to play more or less than normal. I've gone from silver to platinum (almost diamond at the moment) in the timeframe of 3 months. (I got the game late July, never really played multi until september/october). Not until you're starting to try and tier up through masters does it take very in depth time to get better at the game. I can glance at my replays and know exactly what to do from game to game to adjust my play. (vP, get that bunker up to stop the zealot stalker poke for instance. or vZ keep an eye on my hellions to deny the third longer or push with 3 siege tanks if no 3rd and 2 siege tanks if 3rd is going up etc). Every game adds one more element to the "experience" skill of SC2.
If you really want to make masters fast and eventually get extremely good, dedicate 2 hours a day to playing first. You should just ladder like hell and watch replays when you lose and note reactions from opponents to "nonstandard" or even standard things you do. I note that vZ, they get super greedy if they see me with a quick 3rd OC...so I punish their replicant greedy 3rd/tech/ups with a siege push and marines they aren't expecting. If I contain, it's a victory and I can rally in and continue to force larva to be spent on units and not drones. If I lose it, my units popping can hold any 2 base aggression once my 3rd kicks in. The more you take away from each game the better you'll do, so don't worry about losing if you're experimenting and seeing what can happen.
IMO something that I do to varying degrees of success is to watch a regularly streaming player (IE, Dragon, Destiny, Idra, PRIME tv, w/e) that you'd like to emulate. First, evaluate if it is worth emulating (I can't be MKP with my unit control to make 2 marines > infinity lings but I can be like MMA vZ to drop all the expands, continue macro, and just have more shit than my opponent). This is important to note if you can even get to the halfway mark of the mechanics required to play that style. Goody, the classic mech terran, has some of the simplest mechanics but makes the best F'in decisions with his units PERIOD. Infinity tanks using great terrain advantages wins him games, I can emulate it! MKP/Polt TvZ as of late has been very "risky" force the zerg into building units and make mine so much more cost effective than his and win. One bad baneling hit or bad read on the enemy can mean certain death. Not safe play for laddering unless you have good scouting and unit control.
Step two, now that you have someone to watch...watch them! If you see them streaming pop it up in a side tab to go in and out when you're working or doing other stuff. Take notes on decisions they make and ask questions. Answer them, too! If you have the time to dedicate watching but not playing (IE tired, not on desktop and between classes, or @ work lol) then take notes on a match from beginning to start on top of the questions and answers. Be analytical. Why did MarineKing suddenly 5/6/7 rax marine allin vP? Was this planned or reacted to? What was the transition if it failed? What is the goal of different units, posturing, or scouting? Suddenly you see similar conditions from a protoss (say, 1g FE to 4 gate double forge twilight build) and you immediately halt a fast 3OC build to 1 rax FE into gasless marine SCV allin before he gets critical amounts of units. Practice the perfect conditions so you can be reactive with your play. The more you can emulate your favorite players, the stronger you'll find yourself playing in general.
This is a silly use of time because low level play is GENERALLY mechanics and using your army semi efficiently rather than full efficiency, but it sets up a knowledge base so you can generally win games you shouldn't (IE behind in all reasons but can abuse a strange quirk of weakness) and look for things at the right times. All of a sudden your TvP 1 rax Fe into 3 rax can be a multitude of different plays like fast 3OC, fast upgrades, fast drops, lots of rax, whatever! Depending on the varying degrees of greediness your opponent goes rather than a 1/1/stim/conc/CS/medivac timing around 9-10 minutes. Without dedicated coaching you can get to know the game more intimately if you watch carefully and take notes rather than take the BO of the month and execute it and do what you feel like to transition into mid/late game.
Back to the topic, however, stay in university. SC2 is a cold, heartless, bitch if you aren't Korean or Stephano. If you find yourself still wanting to go "pro", dedicate over the summer and test it out and see your progress, motivation, and viability after that test time.
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On March 21 2012 14:32 Cambium wrote:Don't do it. So many similar blogs have come up in the past, and the consensus is basically: If you can't make decent achievements doing part time, you won't be able to achieve anything amazing even if you do it full time. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 14:16 Roe wrote:On March 21 2012 14:08 Kentor wrote:On March 21 2012 13:17 Sc2Corpse wrote:
I am majoring in Computer Programming lol what's so funny about majoring in comp prog? Computer Programming isn't a (typical?) major, based on my knowledge at least.
i think he meant computer science. it's pretty well the same thing isnt it?
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Depends on the school. Most Computer Science is generally programming heavy but some are closer to Information Technology where it is "You know how to use all these neato programs like microsoft excel!" which is generally a much weaker degree.
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On March 21 2012 14:32 Cambium wrote:Don't do it. So many similar blogs have come up in the past, and the consensus is basically: If you can't make decent achievements doing part time, you won't be able to achieve anything amazing even if you do it full time. Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 14:16 Roe wrote:On March 21 2012 14:08 Kentor wrote:On March 21 2012 13:17 Sc2Corpse wrote:
I am majoring in Computer Programming lol what's so funny about majoring in comp prog? Computer Programming isn't a (typical?) major, based on my knowledge at least.
*Computer Science, sorry for not using the right term.
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Sure, we can't say "You'll never make it", but I can damn well say there is an insanely slim chance you will be able to establish a career as a professional gamer. Like slim to none.
SO, with that in mind, although you can go back to college after most likely failing, it puts you behind in school and you gain nothing of value other than the self-recognition of having improved to diamond/masters most likely, and that's something you would be able to do eventually while going to school and playing over the weekend. Sure it may only be a few semesters, but when you start working after having graduated you a going to look back and wish you just started a year earlier. If you take lets say a year off, your graduation date is behind a year. If you make a 35k salary out of college, then you've just missed out on 20-15k (assuming you would be working part time during this "going pro" phase).
I'm sure it's not what you want to hear, but hey, that's reality.
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On March 21 2012 14:50 Sc2Corpse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 14:32 Cambium wrote:Don't do it. So many similar blogs have come up in the past, and the consensus is basically: If you can't make decent achievements doing part time, you won't be able to achieve anything amazing even if you do it full time. On March 21 2012 14:16 Roe wrote:On March 21 2012 14:08 Kentor wrote:On March 21 2012 13:17 Sc2Corpse wrote:
I am majoring in Computer Programming lol what's so funny about majoring in comp prog? Computer Programming isn't a (typical?) major, based on my knowledge at least. *Computer Science, sorry for not using the right term.
hmm, As far as I know, Computer Science is not a major.
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Reality check. 2 months in, gold league, means you suck at this game.
Don't waste a year of your life for something you will never achieve.
I really don't mean to be harsh but I don't want to see another person throw their future away for something as ridiculous as this.
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Yeah that's more of a broad field of study. Data structures would be a major in Comp science/programming for example.
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I am OK with this, at this point in my life i would not recommend ANYONE goes to college directly after high school.
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On March 21 2012 14:54 Grobyc wrote:
Yeah that's more of a broad field of study. Data structures would be a major in Comp science/programming for example.
the major Informatics is essentially Data Structures
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On March 21 2012 14:53 theBALLS wrote:
Reality check. 2 months in, gold league, means you suck at this game.
Don't waste a year of your life for something you will never achieve.
I really don't mean to be harsh but I don't want to see another person throw their future away for something as ridiculous as this.
I got to agree with this post. I think the OP is just trying to procrastinate on his career.
I said the same thing about WoW many years ago...
"I'm just going to take a break from college and play WoW for a semester" Next thing I know I was fucking up all of my classes and stuff.
@OP: I'd advise you just stick with your university courses and play SC2 on the side. Look into the mirror and then ask your parents if you are really sure about putting your professional career to the side to play a computer game that you might not achieve anything to help you out in the real world (for example paying bills)
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On March 21 2012 14:53 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 14:50 Sc2Corpse wrote:On March 21 2012 14:32 Cambium wrote:Don't do it. So many similar blogs have come up in the past, and the consensus is basically: If you can't make decent achievements doing part time, you won't be able to achieve anything amazing even if you do it full time. On March 21 2012 14:16 Roe wrote:On March 21 2012 14:08 Kentor wrote:On March 21 2012 13:17 Sc2Corpse wrote:
I am majoring in Computer Programming lol what's so funny about majoring in comp prog? Computer Programming isn't a (typical?) major, based on my knowledge at least. *Computer Science, sorry for not using the right term. hmm, As far as I know, Computer Science is not a major.
It's a major at several schools in the USA. There are subfields within it, of course, but if I hypothetically graduated with that major, the degree listed on my certificate will be CS and not any of the subfields.
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On March 21 2012 14:53 brachester wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 14:50 Sc2Corpse wrote:On March 21 2012 14:32 Cambium wrote:Don't do it. So many similar blogs have come up in the past, and the consensus is basically: If you can't make decent achievements doing part time, you won't be able to achieve anything amazing even if you do it full time. On March 21 2012 14:16 Roe wrote:On March 21 2012 14:08 Kentor wrote:On March 21 2012 13:17 Sc2Corpse wrote:
I am majoring in Computer Programming lol what's so funny about majoring in comp prog? Computer Programming isn't a (typical?) major, based on my knowledge at least. *Computer Science, sorry for not using the right term. hmm, As far as I know, Computer Science is not a major.
I'm sure the name varries from country to country and between universities. That being said, "Computer Science" was a major at my university and every university I looked at. I didn't major in it, but it was available. For reference, in the US (where the OP is from) we usually say "Major in X with a focus in/on..." Some schools offer more specific majors or don't require you to focus on anything in particular.
In any event, I'm not sure why this question has gotten so much attention.
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On March 21 2012 14:54 Grobyc wrote:
Yeah that's more of a broad field of study. Data structures would be a major in Comp science/programming for example.
Data structures/programming tends to be actual computer science majors. Again, it depends on school system. CS is one of the least rigid programs because of the rapidly evolving fields and high amount of variation in specialties that professors possess. My school, for example, is huge in data structures and programming utility. We have a bunch of professors who used to work for businesses full time to make efficient networking and whatnot. Another I visited is more along the lines of the assembly/machine code levels, which drive high-level programming and innovate the tools my professors use to make utilities.
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On March 21 2012 13:41 Inori wrote:This was probably mentioned, but this: Show nested quote +I have only been playing the game for 2 and a half months and I am already in Gold league with no RTS background, playing about 3 hours a day and watching streams ALOT sometimes even during my classes! actually places you in the mediocre and below category, which means that investing even more time into sc2 is a terrible idea.
This.
Sorry, you're just not very good at SC and probably don't have to the innate talent required to catch up to pros who DO have a lot of innate talent and who have been playing RTS for most of their lives.
You're an 18 year old who just strapped on skates for the first time and is already thinking about joining the NHL. You need to really get a better perspective on your situation.
Achieving Gold league in 2 months isn't impressive. If you were actually playing 3 hours a day, then that's actually a REALLY bad rate of improvement (relatively to what it would need to be to catch up to anywhere near pro level).
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You're seriously deluding yourself.
How can you know that you want to be a pro? You might know what it's like to have fun playing video games, but you don't know what it's like being a professional. So why take such a big risk on something so uncertain? Why don't you stick with school until you become good enough to get a taste of what being pro feels like and make your decision then?
Please make sure that your emotions aren't overwhelming your ability to make rational decisions.
Honestly I think "taking a break from school" is only an acceptable decision when you're already a pro but just need that extra bit of practice time to get ahead of the competition. NOT when you're a gold level noob who thinks an extra 6 hours of free time will enable him to go pro. You don't need that much time if you really have what it takes to be a pro.
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On March 21 2012 13:26 Sc2Corpse wrote:
Guys, I am technically not dropping out, just taking a a couple semesters off to see how far I can get with this dream of mine, I am 18 so I am still young, plenty of time left to attend College.
spoiler: you wont get far.
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On March 21 2012 15:02 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 13:26 Sc2Corpse wrote:
Guys, I am technically not dropping out, just taking a a couple semesters off to see how far I can get with this dream of mine, I am 18 so I am still young, plenty of time left to attend College. spoiler: you wont get far.
Normally, Taking a gap year before college OR taking semester off aren't that much different from each other. But the problem is not you're taking a couple of semester off, it's the reason you said. People normally taking a gap year/semester normally to explore thing they didn't have a chance before, to find out what they really want in life instead of blindly jumping right into college. But man, Taking college off to play games? No man, there's so much more in this world, you just need to be more open to them instead of "I'm a gamer, i want to finish computer science not because I like study but I like to be involved into gaming, but now I feel like taking a semester off to try getting into progaming". See how stupid that sounds? All I can see from this post that you seems to categorized you as a gamer and you're not open to anything other than that. Maybe it's a good thing that you take this semester off but not for playing games, just go out there and explore your future.
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On March 21 2012 15:02 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 13:26 Sc2Corpse wrote:
Guys, I am technically not dropping out, just taking a a couple semesters off to see how far I can get with this dream of mine, I am 18 so I am still young, plenty of time left to attend College. spoiler: you wont get far.
I wonder if we're encouraging him by discouraging him, you know what I mean?
Now he's gonna be like ooooh I'm gonna prove everyone wrong I'm gonna take a break and go pro
But seriously man, simply judging by your OP and your "achievement" mentioned in the post, you're not a very mature individual. You're obviously not thinking things through.
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