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So within the next few days I need to decide where to go for grad school. The options are either staying in England or moving to California. (I've got an offer from UC Berkeley).
I'm finding it really hard to decide what to do :/ Staying would be easy, I like the city, all my things are here, family and old friends less than three hours away by flight, my would be supervisor is probably the world expert on what I would be doing.(Spin dynamics in biological systems as relating to bird navigation) and a great guy to boot.
BUT there is really nothing specific keeping me here, most of my friends will be gone, I don't have a girlfriend and moving to Cali would be a great adventure, one that I would probably never have the chance to experience again. There is also this notion people seem to have that American phds are "better". They sure are longer anyway, though that mostly seem to be due to lots of time being wasted TAing. In fact I guess that would be an argument for staying, finishing in 3-4 years as opposed to 4-5 would be nice. But then again the stuff I would be doing here is so very nieche that the "what to do afterwards" issue is a very real one.
At the moment I'm leaning towards going, I have a feeling that when I look back on my life I would regret it if I didn't take the chance to spend 4 years in california when I had it.
Anyone else been faced with major life decisions? What did you choose and what influenced your decision? How did things turn out in the end?
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If you're going to be far away from your family in a totally new surrounding, you better be prepared to aggressively make new friends and meet new people. Not doing that caused me such depression in college that my GPA tanked and I am now transferring to somewhere close to home.
Fortunately, California is home to many people on TL, so that shouldn't be a huge problem. Just one advice if you go to Cali: GET A CAR!! YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA!
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uc berkley, theres this thing with the homeless people there, all the students have names for each homeless guy. and dont be freaked out when you find out someone just came into your house and stole something =). Other than that the bay area is pretty nice, its all cold in the morning even in the summer. btw like jpak said you need a car. The bus system in the bay area is horrendous from i heard from a friend who lives there. $6 a bus ride lol.
you may or may not have the greatest time in cali, but i recommend you live outside your home for a while, you dont many opportunities to live outside your home country unless your some baller millionare who can fly anywhere in the world.
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we have berkeley sc2 lan parties!!
i live about 20-30 mins away from berkeley. great place to be. easy access to lots of good food, huge university with lots of women and lots of things to do in your spare time (berkeley itself is lively, short train trip to oakland or san francisco). weather is great too, although a little colder in berkeley since closer to the water (lol! cold in california means wear a sweatshirt with your shorts, instead of a t-shirt).
england has shitty food and shitty weather!!! rabble, rabble.
edit: wtf are you guys talking about?? you dont need a car. BART (the local train) goes to UC Berkeley's entrance and transports you everywhere you need to go outside of berkeley, and inside berkeley everything is right by the school.
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On March 15 2012 09:41 jpak wrote:
If you're going to be far away from your family in a totally new surrounding, you better be prepared to aggressively make new friends and meet new people. Not doing that caused me such depression in college that my GPA tanked and I am now transferring to somewhere close to home.
Fortunately, California is home to many people on TL, so that shouldn't be a huge problem. Just one advice if you go to Cali: GET A CAR!! YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA!
Hm that's interesting, most people I've talked to have said I would be fine with a bike plus the occasional busride. (I think I even get a ton of public transport for free through the university) Having to buy a car would be an annoyance to be sure.
And yes of course meeting new people would be very important, it's also part of the fun though.
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On March 15 2012 09:46 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 09:41 jpak wrote:
If you're going to be far away from your family in a totally new surrounding, you better be prepared to aggressively make new friends and meet new people. Not doing that caused me such depression in college that my GPA tanked and I am now transferring to somewhere close to home.
Fortunately, California is home to many people on TL, so that shouldn't be a huge problem. Just one advice if you go to Cali: GET A CAR!! YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA! Hm that's interesting, most people I've talked to have said I would be fine with a bike plus the occasional busride. (I think I even get a ton of public transport for free through the university) Having to buy a car would be an annoyance to be sure. And yes of course meeting new people would be very important, it's also part of the fun though.
you dont need a car.
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california has a sick SC2 scene :D
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Take the opportunity... It sounds absolutely wonderful, and you're so fortunate to be in that position.
Berkeley is an amazing school, you won't regret it.
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On March 15 2012 09:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
we have berkeley sc2 lan parties!!
i live about 20-30 mins away from berkeley. great place to be. easy access to lots of good food, huge university with lots of women and lots of things to do in your spare time (berkeley itself is lively, short train trip to oakland or san francisco). weather is great too, although a little colder in berkeley since closer to the water (lol! cold in california means wear a sweatshirt with your shorts, instead of a t-shirt).
england has shitty food and shitty weather!!! rabble, rabble.
edit: wtf are you guys talking about?? you dont need a car. BART (the local train) goes to UC Berkeley's entrance and transports you everywhere you need to go outside of berkeley, and inside berkeley everything is right by the school.
Haha maybe I would finally have a reason to pick up sc2 then  . What you are saying about the train is what I have heard from other people as well so that's a relief. Good food sounds nice too, as a stupid european its easy to have this idea that you'll be forced to live on burgers in the states lol.
Have you always lived in the area?
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Do you know which professor you'd be working with at Berkeley? Some professors will expect you to grind 60 hours a week in the lab with very little vacation time, while others are quite relaxed and reasonable. If you know the guy you'd be working with in England is not a slave driver that's pretty important imo.
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On March 15 2012 09:56 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 09:45 dAPhREAk wrote:
we have berkeley sc2 lan parties!!
i live about 20-30 mins away from berkeley. great place to be. easy access to lots of good food, huge university with lots of women and lots of things to do in your spare time (berkeley itself is lively, short train trip to oakland or san francisco). weather is great too, although a little colder in berkeley since closer to the water (lol! cold in california means wear a sweatshirt with your shorts, instead of a t-shirt).
england has shitty food and shitty weather!!! rabble, rabble.
edit: wtf are you guys talking about?? you dont need a car. BART (the local train) goes to UC Berkeley's entrance and transports you everywhere you need to go outside of berkeley, and inside berkeley everything is right by the school. Haha maybe I would finally have a reason to pick up sc2 then . What you are saying about the train is what I have heard from other people as well so that's a relief. Good food sounds nice too, as a stupid european its easy to have this idea that you'll be forced to live on burgers in the states lol. Have you always lived in the area?
born in southern california and raised in the bay area (northern california). still live here. i have a couple friends who went to uc berkeley. they would probably be willing to talk to you about it if you want, but it sounds like you have already gotten advice. i believe uc berkeley has a class on starcraft as well (which is kind of stupid, but its a novelty).
i would say experience all you can while you are young. a great way to experience the U.S. would be to live here for a few years while studying.
here is the bart map. i believe downtown berkeley is at the entrance of UC Berkeley.
http://bart.gov/stations/index.aspx
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I always encourage people to move away from home when they can ... you may never get another chance in life to experience different places / cultures, might as well do it when you have a nice opportunity to do so!
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Kentor
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PhD for what?
On March 15 2012 09:41 jpak wrote:
Fortunately, California is home to many people on TL, so that shouldn't be a huge problem. Just one advice if you go to Cali: GET A CAR!! YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA!
Wtf that's not true at all. There's plenty of places you can get to by just walking/busing in SF/Berkeley areas.
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On March 15 2012 10:12 Kentor wrote:
PhD for what?
This is a good question... I couldn't quite tell from the OP.
Depending on the answer, you may find yourself way to busy to need to worry about things like friends or free time XD
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Well its because I don't really know yet =P It seems like in the states you are admitted to a programme not a group like you would be everywhere else. You then chose / fight for supervisors during your first weeks there. I have an offer from the chemistry department and I made it very clear in my application that I want to do physcial chemistry. There are two groups in Berkeley doing solar energy conversion stuff which seems very interesting. Then there is also a very very famous NMR group.
If I stayed in the UK I would be doing quantum mechanics of radical pair reactions in biological systems.
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On March 15 2012 10:12 Kentor wrote:PhD for what? Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 09:41 jpak wrote:
Fortunately, California is home to many people on TL, so that shouldn't be a huge problem. Just one advice if you go to Cali: GET A CAR!! YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A CAR IN CALIFORNIA! Wtf that's not true at all. There's plenty of places you can get to by just walking/busing in SF/Berkeley areas.
Spoiled by NYC transportation system
And yea, you may not even have much time for much, since you have to get a Ph.D.
I still say go to California, though.
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On March 15 2012 10:23 KlaCkoN wrote:
chemistry
Yea I didn't mean your specialization, just the department.
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Berkeley is a pretty nice town. I just got here for grad school myself. As far as the talk about cars goes...the bay area is really the one part of the state I've lived where it isn't necessary. You can get around just fine with public transportation, at least compared to the LA area where I grew up. Plus its nice to have an excuse to go live somewhere new for a few years
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On March 15 2012 10:23 KlaCkoN wrote:
Well its because I don't really know yet =P It seems like in the states you are admitted to a programme not a group like you would be everywhere else. You then chose / fight for supervisors during your first weeks there. I have an offer from the chemistry department and I made it very clear in my application that I want to do physcial chemistry. There are two groups in Berkeley doing solar energy conversion stuff which seems very interesting. Then there is also a very very famous NMR group.
If I stayed in the UK I would be doing quantum mechanics of radical pair reactions in biological systems.
Congrats for getting in :p. I am actually finishing my undergrad in Chemistry here in May. I thought about going to graduate school for theoretical chemistry (did some undergrad research with simulations), but then I thought if I get a PhD I really can't do much with the skills that I would have learned in those 4-5 years, besides more research or teaching, which I'm already losing interest in. Plus I've always been interested in software, so I decided to try to get a job in the software industry and spend that 4-5 years developing skills that I feel would make a bigger difference to other people instead. I'm not saying what you would be doing would not make a big difference in the world, but the chances of that is pretty slim. So I would say, think about what you really want to do after you get that PhD.
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I'd do it, it's an adventure.
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