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I'm making this blog because I'm not a big /v/ person and I'd like to see what people think about this.
I'm sure many of you are also fans of the great Ubisoft franchise that is Assassin's Creed. Surprisingly enough, at least for me, the storyline has always been good enough, which is a rare thing given the reckless and frankly disgusting writing of a vast majority of modern games. Also the gameplay has obviously been getting better game after game.
However I can't help to be disappointed with the news that AC3 will take place during the American revolution, which, while it's an interesting part of history, just doesn't seem to be a good continuity of the current story.
Everything has been going on in Europe and the Middle-East. AC1 takes place with Altaïr in and around Jerusalem around 1200. AC2, AC:B take place in Italy, and AC:R takes place in Turkey around 1500. It seems to me like the natural progression should be the French revolution. The American revolution was a lot more like a "regular" war so to speak, whereas the French revolution is a lot more suitable for the entire genre that is Assassin's Creed because of all the craziness that was going on.
But to make things worse (although this could be a rumor):
The name of the game’s new protagonist will be Connor (as he calls himself), although his birth name is Ratohnhake:ton. He is half English, half Native American, and is described as more of a hunter/ predatory Assassin than the likes of Ezio or Altair. He is described as a freedom fighter who acts in the name of justice rather than acting based on personal revenge. The American Revolution setting means that the supporting cast includes the likes of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Charles Lee. Connor’s interaction with Washington is one of the core relationships in the game.
Maybe I'm making a fool out of myself and that's complete BS, but how's that not the most ridiculous thing ever? Turns out George Washington was bros with natives - and they happily helped him. Bending history to fit in Machiavelli and Leonardo Da Vinci is fine, but isn't there some kind of limit?
How about this for AC4 - Adam Goldberg is the game's new protagonist. Having lost his parents and his 3 sisters in the Titanic tragedy, he seeks revenge against the people who sank the warship. At age 8, he became Adolf Hitler’s errand boy. His mission: bringing Italy to submission, by exposing Mussolini as a robot vampire (who fires little chainsaws from his eyes). With his jewish superpower, he makes a fortune which allows him to get a batmobile - which also shoots lasers and turns invisible.
Anyway, I'm disappointed that they didn't take the golden opportunity to make a game around the highly, highly compatible historical event that is the French revolution. =(
Let me know what you think.
 
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Yeah, I agree, it's bullshit. Sadly, that's just how the gaming industry works nowadays, do whatever you can to promote your stuff, and lets be honest, setting the game in America will definitely help the USA sales a lot.
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I'm really exited for it, I haven't gotten any of the games since the origional (although I hear they have improved greatly) but due to the setting I'll definiately be buying it. I don't care if its a bit far fetched, it sounds very exiting and fun.
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On March 03 2012 13:58 negon wrote:
See? Haha.
Yeah I see what's happening here  . Touché, Ubisoft, touché...
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LOL i saw pics of this online and all i said was "So where going to help America win its Revolution?" Who knew i would actually be close to the mark, and this is complete bullshit. I can see where ubisoft is going, they want to get the games closer and closer to present but really they just keep ontroducing new assassins and its diluting the game and the games characters
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On March 03 2012 14:05 DreamChaser wrote:
LOL i saw pics of this online and all i said was "So where going to help America win its Revolution?" Who knew i would actually be close to the mark, and this is complete bullshit. I can see where ubisoft is going, they want to get the games closer and closer to present but really they just keep ontroducing new assassins and its diluting the game and the games characters
When they announced that Assassin's Creed was going to be a trilogy they also said that each of the 3 games would focus on a different assassin.
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Hehehe, do you remember?
assasin's creed = ass is red
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Bending history to fit in Machiavelli and Leonardo Da Vinci is fine, but isn't there some kind of limit?
I don't see how this one is much more outrageous than the last. It was already ridiculous in AC2. Didn't end up a bad game though if you put this aside.
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On March 03 2012 14:31 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +Bending history to fit in Machiavelli and Leonardo Da Vinci is fine, but isn't there some kind of limit? I don't see how this one is much more outrageous than the last. It was already ridiculous in AC2. Didn't end up a bad game though if you put this aside.
Well, giving Da Vinci and Machiavelli "fun" roles seems minor to me. Those characters were important in their time, but didn't immediately have an impact in the way that Washington did. They're completely twisting George Washington's character so much that it breaks and doesn't even remotely resemble the historical person. Let's not forget that the game takes place during the American revolution, where he plays an extremely important and specific role, so breaking the character breaks the history to such a ridiculous extent, it seems unrecoverable to me.
AC2 and AC:B weren't about Da Vinci or Machiavalli - those characters were merely present as some kind of fun side dish, and could basically be replaced by generic Italian-sounding names.
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Hating a game where you literally know nothing about it, months before it comes out is dumb. You are setting yourself up to hate it. I see a ton of potential in the American Revolution setting. Reading the same article that snippet came from, you also learn that the story line isn't about America = good and Britain = bad. Its still about the Assassins and the Templars.
And just because the new Assassin is part Native American (half Native American, half white dude) doesn't mean that Washington is buddy buddy with the Native Americans in the story. All we know is that Connor and Washington have a relationship of some sort.
Keep an open mind, you have no idea how this game is going to play out. AC1 and AC2 were amazing games. Brotherhood and Revelations were put out to make money more than anything while they worked on AC3. I have high expectations for this game and can't wait for it to come out.
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I don't hate the game, but it's a wasted opportunity for sure, so they'll have to impress me. As for an half native-American guy helping George Washington, I don't know how that guy even lives with himself.
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I honestly only enjoyed the story of Altair.
I really wish that there would be much more depth of the storyline during the Crusades.
If you want to get a better understanding of why I love this particular topic during this time, read the wonderful Templar Trilogy by Jack Whyte 
Super good books, it has its 'Song of Ice and Fire' medieval porn scene moments, but not nearly as frequently or intensely.\
Side thought as I post this: I would love to play AC1 in Arabic with English subtitles.
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On March 03 2012 15:27 English wrote:
Wish it was ninjas.
edo period; assassin's creed 4. calling it.
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On March 03 2012 15:33 Thaniri wrote:
Side thought as I post this: I would love to play AC1 in Arabic with English subtitles.
Yeah, I agree. I don't know if you can play AC2/B/R in Italian. I've been going "requiescat en pace" at people I kill, then I found out it's Latin. I should have known that.
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On March 03 2012 13:46 Djzapz wrote:
Maybe I'm making a fool out of myself and that's complete BS, but how's that not the most ridiculous thing ever? Turns out George Washington was bros with natives - and they happily helped him. Bending history to fit in Machiavelli and Leonardo Da Vinci is fine, but isn't there some kind of limit?
I'd be interested to hear how you didn't mind the reworking of Italian history, but think changing American history is over the line.
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On March 03 2012 15:40 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 13:46 Djzapz wrote:
Maybe I'm making a fool out of myself and that's complete BS, but how's that not the most ridiculous thing ever? Turns out George Washington was bros with natives - and they happily helped him. Bending history to fit in Machiavelli and Leonardo Da Vinci is fine, but isn't there some kind of limit? I'd be interested to hear how you didn't mind the reworking of Italian history, but think changing American history is over the line.
Well I'm guilty of a severe case of "ignorance is bliss" on that one
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If they're going to bend Italian history to match a game of fiction, I see absolutely nothing wrong with bending any kind of other history either. What is so wrong with changing American history anyway?
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i just hope it doesnt end like call of juarez...
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I've always wanted to meet George Washington anyway
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On March 03 2012 15:17 jmbthirteen wrote:
Hating a game where you literally know nothing about it, months before it comes out is dumb. You are setting yourself up to hate it. I see a ton of potential in the American Revolution setting. Reading the same article that snippet came from, you also learn that the story line isn't about America = good and Britain = bad. Its still about the Assassins and the Templars.
And just because the new Assassin is part Native American (half Native American, half white dude) doesn't mean that Washington is buddy buddy with the Native Americans in the story. All we know is that Connor and Washington have a relationship of some sort.
Keep an open mind, you have no idea how this game is going to play out. AC1 and AC2 were amazing games. Brotherhood and Revelations were put out to make money more than anything while they worked on AC3. I have high expectations for this game and can't wait for it to come out.
But AC2 made clear, that Washington WAS a Templar.
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i wanted to be an assassin in paris  climb the eiffel tower
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The backstory of the new Assassin sounds mindbogglingly stupid, but keep in mind that Altair seemed like a great character on paper, but then they completely wrecked the idea in AC1 and after somewhat restoring it in AC2 they ret-conned him to oblivion in Revelations. Ezio, on the other hand, struck me as kind of... interesting? at first, but he ended up working excellently and Im one of the very few people who consider Brotherbood to be the best AC game due in great part to Ezio's character (Revelations was crap, tho, they even ruined the multiplayer, GOD I HATE UBIShvu8aFASF... sidenote). Lets see where they take the premise, it could work. It just happens to sound like something that won't.
Much more importantly is the somewhat bold decision to set a SCreed game in a more modern setting where cute little knives and throwing picklets of Doom dont really make sense anymore. Im sure you're gonna do a lot of upcloseandpersonal action, but the setting really doesnt make a whole lot of immediate sense for the SCreed gameplay. That's pretty cool. It could force the developers to up the game in the same way that AC2 up'd AC1s gameplay and storytelling immensily. Excellent! If the game flops entirely, at least it flops due to them trying something brand new!...
Cuz you are trying something new, right, Ubisoft? You're not just gonna make us run around in camps and cities that are conveniently built to accomodate parkour for the entire game, right?
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On March 03 2012 13:46 Djzapz wrote:
How about this for AC4 - Adam Goldberg is the game's new protagonist. Having lost his parents and his 3 sisters in the Titanic tragedy, he seeks revenge against the people who sank the warship. At age 8, he became Adolf Hitler’s errand boy. His mission: bringing Italy to submission, by exposing Mussolini as a robot vampire (who fires little chainsaws from his eyes). With his jewish superpower, he makes a fortune which allows him to get a batmobile - which also shoots lasers and turns invisible.
Let me know what you think.
i support this
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I thought this game was suppose to be completely modern times (game modern)
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On March 03 2012 15:34 dAPhREAk wrote:edo period; assassin's creed 4. calling it.
Honestly, I lol'd at first, But then thought about it for a sec, a ninja styled Japanese AC would be the straight goods.
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Assassin's Creed...story?
A mix of:
Metal Gear Solid
Lost
Davinci Code
Is there really a story to ruin there? The setting is always going to be more important than the story, and the American revolution is a very cool setting.
It is kind of like most actions movies. It doesn't matter if the scenes make sense or not. If they want to film someone jumping from a plane, they will find a way to write a plane into the script.
If they want to set AC in the American Revolution, they will find a way to bend and twist the plot into shape. Not that it is very hard to call that jumbled mess a real story.
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On March 03 2012 16:15 LucidityDark wrote:
If they're going to bend Italian history to match a game of fiction, I see absolutely nothing wrong with bending any kind of other history either. What is so wrong with changing American history anyway?
Well let me explain. For one I'm completely ignorant of the history of Italy, so I guess I jumped the gun by assuming that it was reasonably close to the actual events, at least its core, so sorry about that. Changing the American history is not worse per se, but just this tiny announcement changes it tremendously, and too much, at least in my opinion. If you're going to base a story on actual events instead of complete fiction, in my opinion, you can only screw with it so much. I mean, you have to at the very least follow the general direction of the events that actually occurred.
That being said, ever since AC2 I had predicted that AC3 would happen during the French revolution. I can't help it, it's such a golden opportunity. It's like the game was made to lead up to that from the get go, but they decided that they'd sell more games if they made it about the US.
On March 03 2012 20:59 PlaGuE_R wrote:i wanted to be an assassin in paris climb the eiffel tower
I climbed it IRL! With the stairs though =). But it wasn't there during the French Revolution =(.
On March 03 2012 22:01 Jarmam wrote:
Cuz you are trying something new, right, Ubisoft? You're not just gonna make us run around in camps and cities that are conveniently built to accomodate parkour for the entire game, right?
I made this
![[image loading]](http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d113/DJZapZ/AC3Screeniey.png)
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On March 03 2012 13:46 Djzapz wrote:
How about this for AC4 - Adam Goldberg is the game's new protagonist. Having lost his parents and his 3 sisters in the Titanic tragedy, he seeks revenge against the people who sank the warship. At age 8, he became Adolf Hitler’s errand boy. His mission: bringing Italy to submission, by exposing Mussolini as a robot vampire (who fires little chainsaws from his eyes). With his jewish superpower, he makes a fortune which allows him to get a batmobile - which also shoots lasers and turns invisible.
Sounds like the best video game ever, IMO.
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it just sounds like you're upset because you didn't get your own favourite era. I think American Revolution would be a good setting as it offers something different than normal cities in the other games. I personally think French Revolution period would be too much of the same sorry.
Also I like how you added that they're setting it in American revolution because they'll sell more copies. Like you just throw arguments and "facts" out there but you don't back anything up o_O
FYI I like how you argue about history when assassin's creed bends history a pretty significant amount
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On March 03 2012 13:50 negon wrote:
Yeah, I agree, it's bullshit. Sadly, that's just how the gaming industry works nowadays, do whatever you can to promote your stuff, and lets be honest, setting the game in America will definitely help the USA sales a lot.
How can you say that? I believe one of the strongest points of AC was that it was in europe, and gave gamers a sense of ancient history when playing.
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On March 03 2012 16:15 LucidityDark wrote:
If they're going to bend Italian history to match a game of fiction, I see absolutely nothing wrong with bending any kind of other history either. What is so wrong with changing American history anyway?
Yeah setting the cutoff line at start of America is arbitrary at best and "patriotic" or nationalistic misguided egocentricity at worst. Especially since the french revolution (which he seems fine with) isn't some prehistoric event compared to the founding of the USA it's only a few years apart.
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On March 04 2012 05:56 askTeivospy wrote:
it just sounds like you're upset because you didn't get your own favourite era. I think American Revolution would be a good setting as it offers something different than normal cities in the other games. I personally think French Revolution period would be too much of the same sorry.
I don't know, I think it's a lot more fitting for multiple reasons. It's not "my own favorite era", really - but if you know anything about the French Revolution, you know how compatible it is.
I think it's a huge, huge missed opportunity really. I don't think it'll be bad.
Also I like how you added that they're setting it in American revolution because they'll sell more copies. Like you just throw arguments and "facts" out there but you don't back anything up o_O
Lol, that's classic from people who have witnessed a couple arguments on forums but don't know where to stop themselves. This thread is obviously my very-early opinion. I don't need to back up the idea that they chose the American Revolution for sales. Maybe it didn't even occur to them that this would be interesting to Americans though, but that would surprise me. Either way, opinion is a keyword.
FYI I like how you argue about history when assassin's creed bends history a pretty significant amount
Yep, there's magic and stuff. But I think it should keep it reasonable.
On March 04 2012 06:16 noobcakes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 13:50 negon wrote:
Yeah, I agree, it's bullshit. Sadly, that's just how the gaming industry works nowadays, do whatever you can to promote your stuff, and lets be honest, setting the game in America will definitely help the USA sales a lot. How can you say that? I believe one of the strongest points of AC was that it was in europe, and gave gamers a sense of ancient history when playing.
Well I think the 3 of us agree with that. He's saying that making a game about the US is a good sales point and will probably manage to score a few sales from people who are particularly interested in the American Revolution setting.
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