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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 03:54:45
February 28 2012 17:01 GMT
#1

I used to think that whatever I read on news outlets and expert-looking blogs was the truth. Even just six months ago, this was still the case. But now I'm slowly starting to see how these authorities of information and opinion should almost always be seen with skepticism.

There are many outlets of information in our world today. Newspapers, magazines, blogs, tv shows, news channels, radio broadcasts, podcasts, ... the list is long. It's hard to spend a few hours without encountering some form of this information thrown at us as we go about our business. This flood of information, combined with our preoccupation with life's mundane but ubiquitous tasks, makes it easy for us to suspend critical thought about the words we are receiving. It is all too easy to let an argument pass through straight into our brains, without giving it a second thought. I guess the more sensationalist phrase would be "Brain Dead".

But in order to truly live in today's world of hyperinformationism, it is imperative to see everything with a skeptical eye. There is no authority to which you can give absolute trust. We're increasingly subject to biased words and positioned phrases. In a way, there is no such things as absolute truths. Only relative truths, otherwise known as perspectives, exist.

I suspect that part of why this has been such a problem for myself personally, is that I have a tendency to take things at face value. I typically believe what people say; I certainly don't follow the doubt first approach. As a function of this behavior, I have realized that I am incredibly bad at detecting sarcasm.

How did I manage to start looking at things with a skeptical eye? I think there were two aspects to this. The first was that I started to regularly engage in critical discussions with friends. Receiving and dishing out doubts and criticisms slowly re-ingrained the idea of thinking by and for myself into my brain.

The second, of all things, was reading John Gruber's blog. Gruber, while he himself a supposed expert, regularly lambastes other so called experts in his writing. While this may surely seem like a trivial fact to some, it showed me that these supposed experts can be convincingly shown that they are not always right. If they are not always right, then by extension they could always be wrong. If they could always be wrong, then I would always have to ask myself,

*"Is what I'm reading B.S., or does it actually make sense to the best of my knowledge? Does the guy's logic actually make sense, or is he using smoke and mirrors to mask his unfounded thoughts?

As some of you may recall, I have started to read the Economist regularly. The other day, I was reading an article when I thought,

"That's nonsense. That fact he's claiming is at best a partial truth and a carefully selected piece of information. I could definitely find another economic statistic that would undermine his claim."

So there it was. I was able to throw away my sheepskin and engage in critical thought as part of my regular reading routine. This kind of doubt towards the material doesn't arise in me nearly as often as it should (I do have a long ways to go), but to be able to fire at as venerable a publication as the Economist should be an indicator for my increased capacity for skepticism. To me it's a reason to be pleased with my so called progress.

Everyone has an agenda. We do too. Our agenda as individuals is to be aware of how and why we are being swayed by the new information that comes our way. Our desire is to stay intellectually independent and free - to avoid becoming sheep in the growing herd of blind followers in the world.





Crossposted from my main blog



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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
February 28 2012 17:06 GMT
#2
Must always consider the source my friend.

My economics teacher told me that freshman year its good advice.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
February 28 2012 17:22 GMT
#3
Honestly I just don't read newspapers because whenever I do it's so obviously skewed and warped information that there's nothing I can do with it. It's my hope that people with the ability to actually do things about the situations involved are responsible, intelligent, and far better informed than I can be as a casual observer. More often than not newspapers and other media just seem like a spark to ignite someone's fire with no substance. Like we're made out of gasoline and will burn out quickly and forget about the issue, rather than having a nice chunk of woody facts to mull over.

I prefer to get information first hand whenever possible, and lay a serious mound of salt over everything else.
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aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
February 28 2012 17:48 GMT
#4
If interested in the facts, always look up the original source and see what is direct quotes and facts, and what is opinion or hyperbole.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 17:53:24
February 28 2012 17:53 GMT
#5
On February 29 2012 02:06 iamperfection wrote:
Must always consider the source my friend.

My economics teacher told me that freshman year its good advice.

The source is not the point of his blog at all. The source does not matter, even the greatest experts are wrong and prove themselves wrong time and time again. Art is nothing without signature, but science doesn't care about that. As the OP said, what is only relevant is trying to understand weither the arguments are good or not.

I completly agree with what I read here.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
February 28 2012 17:57 GMT
#6
On February 29 2012 02:53 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 02:06 iamperfection wrote:
Must always consider the source my friend.

My economics teacher told me that freshman year its good advice.

The source is not the point of his blog at all. The source does not matter, even the greatest experts are wrong and prove themselves wrong time and time again. Art is nothing without signature, but science doesn't care about that. As the OP said, what is only relevant is trying to understand weither the arguments are good or not.

I completly agree with what I read here.


By source i meant who is writing the article but i can see how that can be confusing.

My bad.
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Fenneth
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia354 Posts
February 28 2012 19:08 GMT
#7
I recommend The Skeptics' Guide podcast, it has a more scientific bent than your post but it touches on a lot of the same themes and I find it extremely interesting.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 28 2012 20:20 GMT
#8
Perhaps, but if you embrace this attitude too much you end up with no one being able to make meaningful statements.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
February 28 2012 20:23 GMT
#9
Look at the real source, the funding. Whomever is paying the bills is going to get favorable treatment. It doesn't even need to be explicit or intentional, but it's just human nature to give preferential treatment in these types of situations. If Chill or Kennigit posts something on the site, people listen more to them than each other because they're important and run the site. If someone buys you stuff constantly, you're going to feel bad about saying something bad about them; imagine trying to break up with someone within 5 or 10 minutes of them giving you a (good) gift. If I am writing an article I'm going to want to 'show both sides' if one of those sides is one backed by my funders because I can't piss them off without losing quality of life. So figure out where the source is coming from, then figure out how that person is being funded and factor that into your evaluation of the data.

Of course there's more than just that. Correlation does not imply causation, but ignoring that makes for better news articles and sound bytes. Likewise a lot of statistics are thrown around without an entirely fair analysis. 100k jobs gained, but does that even fall outside of standard deviation? Who knows. Or someone 'wins' a poll by 2%, well maybe that's inside the margin of error and the results aren't clear either way.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
February 28 2012 23:38 GMT
#10
It's a good exercise to look at news stories about something you know extremely well. Look at how major news media handle gaming. Or science, if you happen to study it. Even the politics of a small country that you know well. Now realize that that's your best estimate of their general level of reporting. There's no reason to believe that their reports on politics and economics are better than their reporting on science. Actually, there's some reason to believe that it's even worse.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32069 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 23:52:58
February 28 2012 23:52 GMT
#11
Agreed 100%.

Even reputable outlets like the WSJ and NYT will have their biases, either implemented by writers through subtle word choice or a real hatchet job, or by editors and higher ups. Shit, there's been a couple of writers who straight up plagiarized at these places, or fabricated entire events.

Stuff like wikileaks and other sites in that vein still achieve the same effect by selecting what and what not to release, and there is no assurance that what you see/read is the full cable.

Every single media acts as a filter on information. Some will stop more things than others, but all do this on some level.

For that reason, it is best to read as many takes on the same information to gain a full perspective
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Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
February 29 2012 00:22 GMT
#12
Knowledge is power.
KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
February 29 2012 04:01 GMT
#13
You've discovered the faculty and application of judgement to media consumption!
The mental activity of responding to particular situations in a way that draws upon our sensations, beliefs, and emotions without being dictated by them in any way reducible to a simple rule.

Judgement can't exist without partiality & passion (emotion is the directing force of coherence), privacy and secrecy (the ability to accept, argue and refute an opposing side to then comprehend it--w/out losing face by doing it in the public eye), and respect. If there's no respect, there's no common ground from which a person can advance to understand another's perspective.

^is the incredibly dense, factual assessment for any who think that way. haji's way is MUCH more relatable
“Reject your sense of injury and the injury itself disappears."
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 29 2012 05:37 GMT
#14
On February 29 2012 02:06 iamperfection wrote:
Must always consider the source my friend.

My economics teacher told me that freshman year its good advice.


imo the proper mindset is that any and every source has the potential to be wrong/biased.


On February 29 2012 02:53 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 02:06 iamperfection wrote:
Must always consider the source my friend.

My economics teacher told me that freshman year its good advice.

The source is not the point of his blog at all. The source does not matter, even the greatest experts are wrong and prove themselves wrong time and time again. Art is nothing without signature, but science doesn't care about that. As the OP said, what is only relevant is trying to understand weither the arguments are good or not.

I completly agree with what I read here.



Oh wait, you just put it much more eloquently


On February 29 2012 04:08 Fenneth wrote:
I recommend The Skeptics' Guide podcast, it has a more scientific bent than your post but it touches on a lot of the same themes and I find it extremely interesting.


Love it when pple post related material for us


On February 29 2012 08:38 hypercube wrote:
It's a good exercise to look at news stories about something you know extremely well. Look at how major news media handle gaming. Or science, if you happen to study it. Even the politics of a small country that you know well. Now realize that that's your best estimate of their general level of reporting. There's no reason to believe that their reports on politics and economics are better than their reporting on science. Actually, there's some reason to believe that it's even worse.


Ah, this sounds awesome actually!
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