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Elephants in Australia

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Turbogangsta
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia319 Posts
February 05 2012 08:46 GMT
#1
I was going to post this in the general forum but i couldnt be bothered making a decent post or trying to come up with some point to stimulate discussion but i still wanted to bring attention to this.

http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/introduce-elephants-to-the-aussie-bush-says-scientist-australia.htm

AN AUSTRALIAN SCIENTIST looking to solve the problems of rampant bushfires and introduced species, has made the radical suggestion that wild African elephants should be introduced to the outback.

Professor David Bowman, an environmental scientist at the University of Tasmania, in Hobart, is the author of a commentary published today in the journal Nature, which considers the problems of bushfires and feral flora and fauna in a new light.

"The piece is intentionally challenging," David says. "We are going to be driven, whether we like it or not, to think outside the square, because current approaches to land management in many of our landscape settings are not working."
Holistic approach

Rather than the piecemeal methods that have been used so far to control individual feral plants and animals, David is proposing a more holistic approach. This looks to introduce large animals - such as elephants, rhinos and Komodo dragons - to eat flammable grasses and control species such as rabbits, goats and pigs, that have been all but impossible to manage.

"I realise that there are major risks associated with what I am proposing," he says. "But the usual approaches to managing these issues aren't working."

He has opted for elephants because one major source of fuel for wildfires in northern Australia is gamba grass - a giant African species that is too big for native fauna and even feral buffalo to handle.

"Gamba grass is a great meal for elephants or rhinoceroses. The idea of introducing elephants may seem absurd, but the only other methods likely to control gamba grass involve using chemicals or physically clearing the land, which would destroy the habitat," he says. "Using mega-herbivores may ultimately be more practical and cost-effective, and it would help to conserve animals that are threatened by poaching in their native environments."
Elephants australia

African elephants - coming to the bush near you soon? (Credit: Nature)
Long and troubled history

Australia has had a long and troubled history with both introduced species and bushfires. The Black Saturday bushfires in February 2009 consumed more than 400,000 hectares in southern Australia and claimed the lives of 173 people.

"That blaze was unusually fierce, but fires are a constant source of anxiety for Australia," writes David. "The continent is extremely fire-prone... Lately, the fires have been more intense and widespread, perhaps as a result of climate change - last year, around 5 per cent of the continent was burnt."

Other experts are sceptical that the idea could work in practice. One problem is that elephants will eat much more than just gamba grass, says Professor Patricia Werner, an ecologist at the Australian National University in Canberra.

"They eat not only grass but leaves, twigs, fruits, roots and even bark," she says. "An adult elephant can eat 150-300kg of vegetation a day, only about half of which is grass. Are we in Australia prepared to try yet another landscape-scale 'experiment' and merely hope that the elephants don't find our native Australian trees tasty?"
Fresh thinking

"Professor Bowman is obviously trying to raise some very important issues that we face in Australia; the problem is that his comments are careless," argues Dr Ricky Spencer, with the Native and Pest Animal Unit at the University of Western Sydney. "If we did go down the road of introducing elephants Australia, we had better develop the technology to clone sabre-tooth tigers to eventually control the elephants."

Dr Don Driscoll, a fellow at the Australian National University's Fenner School of Environment and Society commends David for generating debate.

"Australian ecosystems are in a desperate state of degradations due to invasive plants and animals," he says. "We need to put all of the management options on the table to try to find ways of reducing the rate at which our biodiversity succumbs to the impacts of invasive alien species."

Whatever the answer to Australia's environmental woes is, it's not going to be easy, agrees David. "We've got some big challenges ahead, that's the point... Challenges open up really fresh thinking which is what we need."


Personaly i think its hilarious and as long as they dont hurt the native wildlife im all for elephants in my outback!

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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
February 05 2012 09:05 GMT
#2
It'd be a nice boost to tourism as well lol, I'm all for some elephants. It'd probably be a decent sanctuary for them too
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Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
February 05 2012 09:28 GMT
#3
Would be pretty mad imo.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
February 05 2012 11:48 GMT
#4
from what I've seen so far, you can basically introduce any random animal including polar bears and penduins to australia

on a more serious note: I read on wikipedia that you could reintroduce the lion to germany. cool thought as well.
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targ
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Malaysia445 Posts
February 05 2012 11:49 GMT
#5
I heard rabbits caused you guys a whole lot of trouble in the past though, are you quite sure you want to try elephants?
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
February 05 2012 12:16 GMT
#6
I want my elephant! I want my elephant! I want my elephant!
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dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-05 12:21:50
February 05 2012 12:21 GMT
#7
Well, a lot of the times X creature brought in to solve a native problem doesnt go too well, for the pure fact that it is next to impossible to know what the effect will be, as targ already stated, the rabbit (or was it some other animal?).

Elephants also cause a lot of problems, especially when human and elephant environments clash, random stampeding, killing people, going crazy in general...


But while we're at it..I would love to have chocobos in India :p
Bashnek
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia895 Posts
February 05 2012 12:27 GMT
#8
Rabbits screwed us over,cane toads & Foxes screwed us over.
What could possible go wrong with elephants?

But really, i'd kinda love it. Elephants are damn cool.
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Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
February 05 2012 12:33 GMT
#9
I guess one of the upsides to elephants in Australia compared to rabbits and other things is that elephants is a lot easier to remove again.

They are a little to big to hide in holes and could properly be spotted by helicopter etc :p
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
February 05 2012 12:43 GMT
#10
Hahaha, this is pretty hilarious.

The researcher is addressing the "elephant in the room" (bushfires) by introducing elephants.

I would think it's a bad idea because history has shown that introducing species in another ecosystem almost always never ends well (e.g. cane toad). Anyways, even if it does go wrong and the elephant dominates the ecosystem, I would imagine it would be pretty easy to reverse the damage (cull the elephants).
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 05 2012 12:52 GMT
#11
the fuck? :o

That is pretty hilarious In all seriousness though, elephants are awesome in so many ways, so as far as tourism goes I guess this is good.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
February 05 2012 12:53 GMT
#12
On February 05 2012 21:43 Azzur wrote:
Hahaha, this is pretty hilarious.

The researcher is addressing the "elephant in the room" (bushfires) by introducing elephants.

I would think it's a bad idea because history has shown that introducing species in another ecosystem almost always never ends well (e.g. cane toad). Anyways, even if it does go wrong and the elephant dominates the ecosystem, I would imagine it would be pretty easy to reverse the damage (cull the elephants).


The biggest problem with cane-toads, rabbits and foxes is the buggers are so hard to find.

It probably wouldn't go down well with the public, but if we had to, killing all the elephants wouldn't be a tough job.
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RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
February 05 2012 12:53 GMT
#13
The one nice thing about introducing elephants is that it's a lot easier to find them all and get rid of them if they don't work out... as opposed to rabbits or something.

I actually think this kind of approach is much better than dousing everything with chemicals.
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
February 05 2012 14:39 GMT
#14
Where would they find that many elephants to effectively control the grasses to begin with? I don't think the host nations would just sell a bunch to Australia. Elephants don't mate very often and it also take two years to conceive a baby. With their reproductive cycles being so long and far in between, you could be waiting more than twenty years until you can get a new generation from a pair of elephants.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
February 05 2012 14:47 GMT
#15
Don't elephants go into musk and fuck shit up? I don't know how many people would be living near where they would put elephants, but it sounds like a terrible idea. Also komodo dragons, what? Do you Australians want to live on a continent filled with even more dangerous animals or what?
attwell
Profile Joined July 2011
United States220 Posts
February 05 2012 17:39 GMT
#16
Australia has enough deadly animals without elephants, rhinos, and komodo dragons.

Pretty soon, you'll have to change your country's motto to "Australia: just stay at home so you don't get killed by our wildlife"
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
February 07 2012 06:51 GMT
#17
On February 06 2012 02:39 attwell wrote:
Australia has enough deadly animals without elephants, rhinos, and komodo dragons.

Pretty soon, you'll have to change your country's motto to "Australia: just stay at home so you don't get killed by our wildlife"


Well, anything is an improvement on our old motto, "So where the bloody hell are you?".
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