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Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
January 09 2012 17:52 GMT
#21
My Asian GF tells me all asian girls now-a-days want big eyes, noses, and lips just like american girls.

Just my 2 cents.
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
January 09 2012 23:40 GMT
#22
On January 10 2012 02:52 Nizzy wrote:
My Asian GF tells me all asian girls now-a-days want big eyes, noses, and lips just like american girls.

Just my 2 cents.


Interesting. I'd disagree with her that this is what the majority of what Asian girls want, though. It appears that in Taiwan at least, girls are more strongly influenced by Japanese and Korean fashion, which, while including artificially big eyes and dyed hair, doesn't really extend to the big noses and lips.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 10 2012 00:07 GMT
#23
People develop schemas of what they think a certain race is supposed to look like, and if they are not intelligent enough to question these schemas then they end up saying stupid things like this. Most people living in American probably know like five Asian people tops, and probably none of them are Japanese. The Japanese have a very narrow quality about their faces, more pointed chins, etc. Those characteristics are forgotten if you only know a few Chinese people (the origin of most Asian-Americans I believe) whose faces are often of a rounder quality. Not round, not Chinese, white skin, must be caucasian. That's how the schema of a person with limited interaction with the Japanese thinks. If you've met enough Japanese people tho, you know that the faces of anime characters resemble them a lot more closely that white people, who tend to have broader chins. In the end its still a caricature which loses most of the details of an actual human being, but there is a difference usually in the way non-Japanese characters are drawn. Sadly, one of the only schemas that exists in America regarding Japanese people is the difference in the shape of the eye, which is rarely represented in Anime at all and anime characters have a rather inhuman looking eye.

So I don't know how much I agree with you about white being the 'default human being' and how much of it is just having insufficient schema's for identifying different races. To a two year old a cat and a dog are both small four legged creatures. They only become different when they add new categories. It's the same for new races. Asians of different origins have many different physical traits, but the schema of asians for Americans is too basic and universal to properly differentiate between them, until, that is, they've met a sufficiently large enough sample to make it worth the while to differentiate between them. Defaulting to white is stupid, however, since the values are so Japanese it really doesn't make sense to pretend the characters are white. At the very least one should recognise them as Asian, even with a limited schema... This is why people who think anime characters are white, are stupid.
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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
January 10 2012 01:26 GMT
#24
Anime/Manga characters like Haruhi are angelic creatures alien to any squalid human race.
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Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
January 10 2012 01:28 GMT
#25
On January 10 2012 08:40 Funnytoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 02:52 Nizzy wrote:
My Asian GF tells me all asian girls now-a-days want big eyes, noses, and lips just like american girls.

Just my 2 cents.


Interesting. I'd disagree with her that this is what the majority of what Asian girls want, though. It appears that in Taiwan at least, girls are more strongly influenced by Japanese and Korean fashion, which, while including artificially big eyes and dyed hair, doesn't really extend to the big noses and lips.


Oh yeah she knows a bunch of Japanese says just to sound cute. Like Mushi Mushi :D haha
Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 02:34:12
January 10 2012 02:32 GMT
#26
On January 10 2012 10:28 Nizzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 08:40 Funnytoss wrote:
On January 10 2012 02:52 Nizzy wrote:
My Asian GF tells me all asian girls now-a-days want big eyes, noses, and lips just like american girls.

Just my 2 cents.


Interesting. I'd disagree with her that this is what the majority of what Asian girls want, though. It appears that in Taiwan at least, girls are more strongly influenced by Japanese and Korean fashion, which, while including artificially big eyes and dyed hair, doesn't really extend to the big noses and lips.


Oh yeah she knows a bunch of Japanese says just to sound cute. Like Mushi Mushi :D haha

bug bug or ignore? if its on the phone do you mean moshi moshi? ^.^
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
January 10 2012 15:30 GMT
#27
On January 10 2012 11:32 Nibbler89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2012 10:28 Nizzy wrote:
On January 10 2012 08:40 Funnytoss wrote:
On January 10 2012 02:52 Nizzy wrote:
My Asian GF tells me all asian girls now-a-days want big eyes, noses, and lips just like american girls.

Just my 2 cents.


Interesting. I'd disagree with her that this is what the majority of what Asian girls want, though. It appears that in Taiwan at least, girls are more strongly influenced by Japanese and Korean fashion, which, while including artificially big eyes and dyed hair, doesn't really extend to the big noses and lips.


Oh yeah she knows a bunch of Japanese says just to sound cute. Like Mushi Mushi :D haha

bug bug or ignore? if its on the phone do you mean moshi moshi? ^.^


Exactly.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 10 2012 15:55 GMT
#28
Asians find white people interesting.

It's another layer of escapism to the fantasy of the fiction they write. Definitely makes it more exotic and that's what a lot of artists are aiming for. The exotic appeal.
RoboBob
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States798 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-10 20:41:39
January 10 2012 20:38 GMT
#29
I always assumed that anime characters looked the way they do because asian cultures in general tend to beautify pale skin and large eyes.

Its not that they want their characters to look "white", its just that they want them to look attractive. If they intended their characters to be "white" then there would be (like the OP mentioned) big noses and more western hairstyles/accents.

Its just that here in the US (I dont know about EU) we tend to only consider skin tone when determining race. Things are different in Asia, where race is less about skin tone and more about culture and facial structure.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 10 2012 21:50 GMT
#30
On January 09 2012 13:58 Hnnngg wrote:
[image loading]

These characters are always the best.


Hahahaha.
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genesis_crimsonheart
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States81 Posts
January 17 2012 20:45 GMT
#31
I always thought that was weird! I would play all these games that were made in Japan and be like, "so were are the Japanese people?' It's kind of weird, the culture is more western in a lot of the games and shows that I watch at least.
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EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
January 18 2012 00:31 GMT
#32
It's exactly as he says it. Works tend to not worry about making sure of the nationality of the characters in them unless specifically said otherwise, as it's assumed the readers are native themselves. But sometimes when the work goes international, people assume differently because they(caucasians) assume that the characters are white themselves. This really goes further into the whole idea that there are people who believe white people are "beautiful" with their blue eyes, blond hair, etc. When in fact, everyone is beautiful. Interesting post.
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89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
January 18 2012 03:04 GMT
#33
Chicks in the east DO want to look like american/white girls. Coming from a chinese background, I'm not really biased at all, in fact I hear it all the time. Getting eyelid surgery is to look like the models, who in turn, are all chosen as "attractive" based on how "white" they look like. Also, getting a higher nose bridge, which is essential facial feature for white people, is also considered highly attractive. Most asians have a flatter nose bridge which is considered unattractive. The big eyes part I am not really sure, because in many parts of asia the size of a person's eye is not small at all, so I can't say for sure that wanting big eyes is a part of wanting to look white/american or whether its just a desired feature that some asians already have.

Also, most dudes in asia dig that "mixed" asian/white look. Heck, I consider it hot as fuck whenever a girl is mix or at least LOOKS like it.
Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
January 18 2012 04:12 GMT
#34
On January 18 2012 05:45 genesis_crimsonheart wrote:
I always thought that was weird! I would play all these games that were made in Japan and be like, "so were are the Japanese people?' It's kind of weird, the culture is more western in a lot of the games and shows that I watch at least.


What do you mean? Most anime I've seen it's usually in Japan. Pretty much all school life type anime it's obviously Japanese schools, anime that take place in cities are usually pretty clearly like Japanese cities. Do you have an example show? I'm not trying to jump on you or anything I'm just really curious if it's actually true or just a perception thing.
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
January 18 2012 04:21 GMT
#35
On January 18 2012 13:12 Nibbler89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 05:45 genesis_crimsonheart wrote:
I always thought that was weird! I would play all these games that were made in Japan and be like, "so were are the Japanese people?' It's kind of weird, the culture is more western in a lot of the games and shows that I watch at least.


What do you mean? Most anime I've seen it's usually in Japan. Pretty much all school life type anime it's obviously Japanese schools, anime that take place in cities are usually pretty clearly like Japanese cities. Do you have an example show? I'm not trying to jump on you or anything I'm just really curious if it's actually true or just a perception thing.


Well, some series like Naruto aren't obviously set in Japan through any intentional emphasis, it's just obvious to anyone who's actually observed Japanese culture what it's based off of.
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Nibbler89
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
884 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 04:51:22
January 18 2012 04:50 GMT
#36
On January 18 2012 13:21 Funnytoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 13:12 Nibbler89 wrote:
On January 18 2012 05:45 genesis_crimsonheart wrote:
I always thought that was weird! I would play all these games that were made in Japan and be like, "so were are the Japanese people?' It's kind of weird, the culture is more western in a lot of the games and shows that I watch at least.


What do you mean? Most anime I've seen it's usually in Japan. Pretty much all school life type anime it's obviously Japanese schools, anime that take place in cities are usually pretty clearly like Japanese cities. Do you have an example show? I'm not trying to jump on you or anything I'm just really curious if it's actually true or just a perception thing.


Well, some series like Naruto aren't obviously set in Japan through any intentional emphasis, it's just obvious to anyone who's actually observed Japanese culture what it's based off of.


Yes but imo it'd be weird to watch naruto and say "hm the culture is very western in this anime", that's what i'm wondering. What gives the impression that it's western culture. Naruto having blonde hair and blue eyes? Eye color and hair color aren't really relevant to race in anime most of the time since people have wacky hair/ eye colors all the time.
Funnytoss
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Taiwan1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 05:02:11
January 18 2012 05:01 GMT
#37
On January 18 2012 13:50 Nibbler89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 13:21 Funnytoss wrote:
On January 18 2012 13:12 Nibbler89 wrote:
On January 18 2012 05:45 genesis_crimsonheart wrote:
I always thought that was weird! I would play all these games that were made in Japan and be like, "so were are the Japanese people?' It's kind of weird, the culture is more western in a lot of the games and shows that I watch at least.


What do you mean? Most anime I've seen it's usually in Japan. Pretty much all school life type anime it's obviously Japanese schools, anime that take place in cities are usually pretty clearly like Japanese cities. Do you have an example show? I'm not trying to jump on you or anything I'm just really curious if it's actually true or just a perception thing.


Well, some series like Naruto aren't obviously set in Japan through any intentional emphasis, it's just obvious to anyone who's actually observed Japanese culture what it's based off of.


Yes but imo it'd be weird to watch naruto and say "hm the culture is very western in this anime", that's what i'm wondering. What gives the impression that it's western culture. Naruto having blonde hair and blue eyes? Eye color and hair color aren't really relevant to race in anime most of the time since people have wacky hair/ eye colors all the time.


Yeah, that's actually what I try to argue in the OP, that most people actually *do* base their impressions of where a story is set based primarily upon their own interpretations of character's physical features. And, as you probably know already, that can be quite incorrect.
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 05:43:30
January 18 2012 05:41 GMT
#38
I didn't read the entire OP but there is a recent example to support OP's arguments.

http://randomc.net/image/High School DxD/High School DxD - 02 - Large 04.jpg

Supposedly the girl on the right is white (can you tell from the visuals?). This is directly mentioned if you watched episode 2 of DxD.
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Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
January 18 2012 06:03 GMT
#39
On January 09 2012 18:38 Endymion wrote:
when ever i watch/read anime i always visualize the sexy teen characters as middle aged black women whom I stereotype accordinly.

Lol wtf?
Blasterion
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
China10272 Posts
January 18 2012 06:09 GMT
#40
not white just pale skinned hahaha
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