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CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 04:10:00
December 03 2011 01:46 GMT
#1
I was not a Brood War fan.

In all honesty, I didn’t even know that there was a professional Brood War scene until I started following Pro-StarCraft 2 at the start of SC2’s release. I had heard of the Brood War scene but I couldn’t name a single pro-gamer. What’s even worse is that my friend Fallen and I had played countless hours of UMS games in Brood War (I’ll forever have a soft spot for Lurker Defense games) and I didn’t even know he was B/B+ on iCCup. I played hundreds of hours of UMS and Fastest Maps games and literally had zero idea about the entire competitive scene.

I feel that as a StarCraft 2 fan, I’m almost obligated to be BW fan. Ever play the State of the Game game where you bet over/under on how long it will take BW to be mentioned? Ever read about the BW vs SC2 threads where everyone laments about how bad SC2 is in comparison? Ever heard the squeals and cheers anytime BoxeR is mentioned? The endless love for NonY?

I don’t fully understand all of this. Yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNdaEM9SfI#t=0m12

Pimpest Play 2004: DAT ‘RINE MICRO


This was my first real exposure to the pro-BW scene. Fallen sent me this clip for some reason and I remember I watched it over and over and over again. This shit is wild; it still hurts my head every time I watch it. Since then, I’ve caught glimpses of BW history. A few BoxeR matches on nevake….some BW streams….a few questions here and there. But there’s so much I still don’t know.

Finally I have started to explore this MASSIVE history that has eluded me. The 10 years of epicness that I missed out on.

I recently started an internship that is super laid-back. With lots of downtime and no internet filters, I started to seriously watch nevake VODs. I watched the TSL2 finals with NonY versus Mondragon. Holy shit that was wild. Corsair/Reaver is pretty fun to watch. I finally SAW why NonY is so beloved. Then as Team 8 was being formed and players like Midas and Tempest retired, I watched more and more VODs. Tempest’s hero dragoon? Goddamn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG1U25luMOA#t=6m18

Tempest vs Light 1/3/2009 MBC Survivor: DAT ‘GOON MICRO


Fast forward to Saturday 11/26 when I watched my first live ProLeague match ever: Grape versus free. I then managed to miss JangBi versus Light and Stork versus Zero (Bad CPTBadAss, Bad). The thing that gets me every time is that the builds are so crisp; it’s so refined. I remember listening to Day[9] and Chill talking about the finer points of an Overpool (I had to Liquipedia that bad boy). It boggles my mind that BW fans and players can decipher a build order based on supplies 8 through 10. If he builds drone at 8 or extractor at 9, people can see EXACTLY where the build goes at 100-150 supply.

Next day, I watched Hero win Dreamhack Winter 2011 with Fallen. While waiting for the Quake finals to end, we went to get coffee. And I tried asking him about sAviOr and the match-fixing scandal. As he explained the drama to me, I realized that it was literally only a year ago that it happened but to me, it felt like another universe.

Brood War is SO fascinating.

Remember that State of the Game when Day[9] asked that if basketball and American football can co-exist, why can’t Brood War and StarCraft 2? I agree. I may be chobo at Brood War, but I WANT TO KNOW. I’ll leave you with these last two items:

From "Why we love Brood War"

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[image loading]

(o.O) Holy shit, someone fill me in!




From what if i told you

+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VkN0spswwg

How can this NOT inspire us noobs?



I want to know. To all the Brood War faithful, please educate this humble noob.

Edit: I repeated myself =X


*****
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9530 Posts
December 03 2011 02:07 GMT
#2
Seems to me you're doing a pretty good job yourself
Moderator"We're a community of geniuses because we've found how to extract 95% of the feeling of doing something amazing without actually doing anything." - Chill
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 03 2011 02:14 GMT
#3
This is another good thread to check out. Lots of people shared their favorite things about BW.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280281

Although... if you really want to love BW...

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then you must become a Bisu fan :D
Writer:o
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 03 2011 02:16 GMT
#4
On December 03 2011 11:14 Kiett wrote:
This is another good thread to check out. Lots of people shared their favorite things about BW.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280281

Although... if you really want to love BW...

+ Show Spoiler +
then you must become a Bisu fan :D


Don't do it!!

+ Show Spoiler +
SBG all the way!


:p
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a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
December 03 2011 02:17 GMT
#5
How about ... jaedong sweating buckets?
starleague forever
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 03 2011 02:17 GMT
#6
Watch the old Cholera and Klazart videos somewhere in the great beyond.
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
December 03 2011 02:19 GMT
#7
If you want to know about how manly reach is, watch any Cholera cast of Reach. Also:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/52_SKY2002_OSL

Also, also:

(and I'll just answer ahead of time, yes, those girls screaming are from simultaneous orgasms)

also, also, also:

(Definitely top 3 storms of all time against 2009 Flash, other great ones are JB vs. Nada and Nony vs. Idra.)

You should also watch the Bisu vs. Savior MSL final casted by Day9 and Nony if you haven't already.
Entertaining
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada793 Posts
December 03 2011 02:24 GMT
#8
THE HOLY WARS! :D
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 03 2011 02:25 GMT
#9
Thanks for all the videos so far guys, really appreciate it ^_^.

@Count9: Could you link me to that Bisu vs Savior game?

@Kiett: I may or may not have fallen in love with Jaedong and Flash. Sorry man! =X
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
December 03 2011 02:34 GMT
#10
Check out some of these videos!




Moderatorgold coin
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 02:37:19
December 03 2011 02:36 GMT
#11
I can help you with some of those. In the order I felt like looking them up:

Flash's Robotic Eye

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Reach's Manliness

+ Show Spoiler +


Kwanro's Flowchart

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Firebathero's Dance Moves

+ Show Spoiler +


Effort's Invasion

+ Show Spoiler +


Jaedong's Death Stare

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Nada's Brilliance

+ Show Spoiler +


Nal_rA's Dreams

+ Show Spoiler +




I drop suckas like Plinko
HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
December 03 2011 03:09 GMT
#12
^ thanks for distracting me from studying from finals -__-
Long live BroodWar!
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
December 03 2011 03:15 GMT
#13
Also, try watching as many of the upcoming proleague matches as you can, they are going to be epic
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 03 2011 03:39 GMT
#14
Here are your plans for the next month:

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[image loading]
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 03 2011 04:02 GMT
#15
@Ares: Dem links o.O. Thanks!!

@Gann1: Holy shit, you're the MAN =)

@Chef: Dude, I've been watching Sayle's english Brood War commentaries at work. It's wild. But I appreciate the calendar so much <3.

New rules everyone, no more random posting things (This means you Mr. Entertaining.) I DEMAND EXPLANATIONS ^_^
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
December 03 2011 04:25 GMT
#16
The Holy Wars, were the games between sAviOr and Nal_Ra, before the days of that womanly toss, aka Bisu, Midas and Nal_Ra were the ones who challenged sAviOr. Most notably Nal_Ra and sAviOr's series in Pringles MSL Season 1 and 2, were referred to as the Holy Wars.
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 04:38:05
December 03 2011 04:27 GMT
#17
Games with subtitles of what the Korean commentators are saying:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65727

A thread of people sharing their favorite BW games/moments:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=153906

Gom Star Invitational Finals. This is when Tasteless was pretty new to commentating, and Flash was a young rising star. These finals, Flash vs Stork, are incredibly exciting:

http://www.gomtv.net/gsi/
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 05:11:08
December 03 2011 04:52 GMT
#18
Stork's Golden Carrier Badge:

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Stork is known as the Supreme Commander because of his amazing carrier play. A few years ago, fans made him a golden carrier badge, and even now you'll often see him wear it next to his OSL badge ^^

[image loading]

[image loading]


No clue what the Bisu cough (is it 어헣?)/ninja mask is though. I'm a bad fan T__T

edit:

here's Bisu vs. Savior MSL finals

Writer:o
Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
December 03 2011 04:57 GMT
#19
Watch any game with Flash and be amazed at how he never loses (okay well almost never loses).
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CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 03 2011 07:01 GMT
#20
Holy shit, I think Jaedong's glare penetrated my soul @.@
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
December 03 2011 12:41 GMT
#21
It makes me warm and fuzzy inside when I see SC2 peoples wanting to love BW ^_^
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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
December 03 2011 13:48 GMT
#22
On December 03 2011 21:41 lilsusie wrote:
It makes me warm and fuzzy inside when I see SC2 peoples wanting to love BW ^_^


Definitely. Instead of disregarding it purely based on its aesthetics (like what my friend does)
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 16:25:45
December 03 2011 16:24 GMT
#23
I'm pretty much in the same boat as you, OP. So much good stuff to watch. What got me hooked was watching the debut of the Beesuit against Savior. That build was so sick. It's no wonder why many toss players are trying to imitate Bisu's style in SC2 (only HerO is succeeding).

I actually kinda surprised no one has recommended Day9 when comes to actually learning more about BW. All his earliest stuff is BW centric.
I'm a noob
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 03 2011 16:32 GMT
#24
That build was so sick. It's no wonder why many toss players are trying to imitate Bisu's style in SC2 (only HerO is succeeding).

Careful there coach. People misunderstanding the bisu build (especially English commentators) is infamously mocked. it's not just a forge expansion or pylon at your natural. I'm not sure SC2 really even has the units to make it's own Bisu build...
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 03 2011 16:44 GMT
#25
@FractalsonFire: I'm all about the gameplay...Although I've gotta saw that BW pro-gamers have the best haircuts.

@awwnuts07: OMG, that Sair/DT build? Genius. It makes too much sense. Plus, I like the *pew pew* noise out of the corsairs and the *shummmmm shummmmm* noise that Dark Templars make. ^_^

I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
December 03 2011 17:01 GMT
#26
On December 04 2011 01:32 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
That build was so sick. It's no wonder why many toss players are trying to imitate Bisu's style in SC2 (only HerO is succeeding).

Careful there coach. People misunderstanding the bisu build (especially English commentators) is infamously mocked. it's not just a forge expansion or pylon at your natural. I'm not sure SC2 really even has the units to make it's own Bisu build...

I didn't mean to say HerO was trying to recreate the Beesuit in particular, but that HerO is trying to develop a style that is similar to Bisu's. But we're digressing from the OP's topic. This isn't an SC2 discussion, but I will say I'm glad there are players in the SC2 scene that are moving the game more towards a BW style.

To the OP, I'm going to guess from your icon that you're a terran player. Even if that is the case, I still highly suggest watching Bisu. Be in awe of his god-like mutli-tasking and incredible hair.
I'm a noob
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 17:26:47
December 03 2011 17:22 GMT
#27
On December 04 2011 02:01 awwnuts07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 01:32 Chef wrote:
That build was so sick. It's no wonder why many toss players are trying to imitate Bisu's style in SC2 (only HerO is succeeding).

Careful there coach. People misunderstanding the bisu build (especially English commentators) is infamously mocked. it's not just a forge expansion or pylon at your natural. I'm not sure SC2 really even has the units to make it's own Bisu build...

I didn't mean to say HerO was trying to recreate the Beesuit in particular, but that HerO is trying to develop a style that is similar to Bisu's. But we're digressing from the OP's topic. This isn't an SC2 discussion, but I will say I'm glad there are players in the SC2 scene that are moving the game more towards a BW style.

To the OP, I'm going to guess from your icon that you're a terran player. Even if that is the case, I still highly suggest watching Bisu. Be in awe of his god-like mutli-tasking and incredible hair.

What do you mean a style similar to Bisu ? He's the biggest jaedong look alike ever ! + Show Spoiler +
Ok, I'm out

But don't watch Bisu. He's bad, the only thing he's good at is flipping fast between screens. If you have to watch a protoss, watch someone smart, like Nal_rA or Stork.
+ Show Spoiler +
Well, there's already enough Bisu fans on teamliquid, you can't blame me can't you ?
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Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
December 03 2011 17:32 GMT
#28
On December 04 2011 01:32 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +
That build was so sick. It's no wonder why many toss players are trying to imitate Bisu's style in SC2 (only HerO is succeeding).

Careful there coach. People misunderstanding the bisu build (especially English commentators) is infamously mocked. it's not just a forge expansion or pylon at your natural. I'm not sure SC2 really even has the units to make it's own Bisu build...

Oh combat-ex....
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50645 Posts
December 03 2011 17:36 GMT
#29
People should watch less bisu and more jangbi or jaedong
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
December 03 2011 19:12 GMT
#30
On December 04 2011 02:22 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 02:01 awwnuts07 wrote:
On December 04 2011 01:32 Chef wrote:
That build was so sick. It's no wonder why many toss players are trying to imitate Bisu's style in SC2 (only HerO is succeeding).

Careful there coach. People misunderstanding the bisu build (especially English commentators) is infamously mocked. it's not just a forge expansion or pylon at your natural. I'm not sure SC2 really even has the units to make it's own Bisu build...

I didn't mean to say HerO was trying to recreate the Beesuit in particular, but that HerO is trying to develop a style that is similar to Bisu's. But we're digressing from the OP's topic. This isn't an SC2 discussion, but I will say I'm glad there are players in the SC2 scene that are moving the game more towards a BW style.

To the OP, I'm going to guess from your icon that you're a terran player. Even if that is the case, I still highly suggest watching Bisu. Be in awe of his god-like mutli-tasking and incredible hair.

What do you mean a style similar to Bisu ? He's the biggest jaedong look alike ever ! + Show Spoiler +
Ok, I'm out

But don't watch Bisu. He's bad, the only thing he's good at is flipping fast between screens. If you have to watch a protoss, watch someone smart, like Nal_rA or Stork.
+ Show Spoiler +
Well, there's already enough Bisu fans on teamliquid, you can't blame me can't you ?


LOL Idra gtfo this thread :p

+ Show Spoiler +
there can never be enough Bisu
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Fallen33
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States596 Posts
December 04 2011 05:40 GMT
#31
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 04 2011 06:13 GMT
#32
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote:
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me


Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.

I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-
Writer:o
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 06:48:25
December 04 2011 06:46 GMT
#33
On December 04 2011 15:13 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote:
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me


Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.

I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-


Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 06:48:05
December 04 2011 06:47 GMT
#34
[oops double]
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
December 04 2011 08:04 GMT
#35
On December 04 2011 15:46 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 15:13 Kiett wrote:
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote:
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me


Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.

I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-


Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.


Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.

I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?

And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.
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insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 08:29:35
December 04 2011 08:29 GMT
#36
relax, it was just a joke, everybody likes teasing bisu fans.

but seriously foget about prettyboy Bisu, the manliest protoss you should idolize is Reach.

but if you like bisu, then this is a must watch
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 04 2011 09:06 GMT
#37
On December 04 2011 17:04 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 15:46 Milkis wrote:
On December 04 2011 15:13 Kiett wrote:
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote:
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me


Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.

I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-


Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.


Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.

I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?

And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.


Never mess with a bisu fan girl , still I rather be watching (P)JangBi,(P)Stork,(P)Stats over (P)Bisu that's just my preference ;D
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
December 04 2011 15:56 GMT
#38
LOL Kiett you are awesome. But I'm sure they were kidding. If not, well, they should be pitied because they aren't Bisu fans.

I'm sure you know by now that the very best articles written on BW (aside from Korean articles) are the TLFEs, or Team Liquid Final Edits. They helped me rediscover my love for BW after leaving it for 5 years (due to iloveoov's emotional win over boxer).

If on the off chance you haven't read them, please do read the following (no order)

1. God of the Battlefield part 1 by Ver (deepest article in terms of strategy and showcases the fallen Maestro's genius)
2. I Loved Victory part 1 and 2 by Plexa (absolutely amazing piece on the most powerful mind to have ever graced BW)
3. The Storm Zerg by pubbanana (very emotional and beautiful piece on the greatest finalist of all time)
4. Only Until Midnight by HonestTea (another emotional and beautiful piece on the history of the game)
5. I spit hot fire by Sp1ralArch1tect (funniest TLFE which'll make you appreciate the importance of being unique)

and then read the following in order

1. Revolutionary Magic by Hot_Bid (Bisu)
2. Heir Apparent by Hot_Bid (Jaedong)
3. The Ultimate Weapon by DocHelvetica (Flash)
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
December 04 2011 17:01 GMT
#39
On December 05 2011 00:56 Caladbolg wrote:
LOL Kiett you are awesome. But I'm sure they were kidding. If not, well, they should be pitied because they aren't Bisu fans.

I'm sure you know by now that the very best articles written on BW (aside from Korean articles) are the TLFEs, or Team Liquid Final Edits. They helped me rediscover my love for BW after leaving it for 5 years (due to iloveoov's emotional win over boxer).

If on the off chance you haven't read them, please do read the following (no order)

1. God of the Battlefield part 1 by Ver (deepest article in terms of strategy and showcases the fallen Maestro's genius)
2. I Loved Victory part 1 and 2 by Plexa (absolutely amazing piece on the most powerful mind to have ever graced BW)
3. The Storm Zerg by pubbanana (very emotional and beautiful piece on the greatest finalist of all time)
4. Only Until Midnight by HonestTea (another emotional and beautiful piece on the history of the game)
5. I spit hot fire by Sp1ralArch1tect (funniest TLFE which'll make you appreciate the importance of being unique)

and then read the following in order

1. Revolutionary Magic by Hot_Bid (Bisu)
2. Heir Apparent by Hot_Bid (Jaedong)
3. The Ultimate Weapon by DocHelvetica (Flash)

Thanks for the list. I didn't realize there were so many. Are there any more articles an aspiring BW fan should know about?

Also, guys, I think this thread is getting off topic.
I'm a noob
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 04 2011 17:05 GMT
#40
Oh man, apparently there's a love/hate relationship with Bisu? It's ok everyone, I have a compromise; can we all agree he's got an amazing haircut? ^_^

Also, my ears are still ringing from when I watched Reach's Lockdown from the Pimpest Plays. Those fan girls man....
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
December 04 2011 17:37 GMT
#41
Yeah you tell em Kiett! and heres another Bisu video as a bonus


Of course all the other protosses they have mentionned are great, but unlike them I wont tell you not to watch them
Kim Taek Yong fighting~
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
December 05 2011 00:47 GMT
#42
On December 04 2011 17:04 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 15:46 Milkis wrote:
On December 04 2011 15:13 Kiett wrote:
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote:
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me


Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.

I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-


Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.


Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.

I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?

And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.


... I'm obviously joking. (making fun of Bisu's lack of OSL wins and losing to random zerg players *is* a running gag after all ^^)
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 01:13:58
December 05 2011 00:54 GMT
#43
Subtitles get in the way sometimes so here is the video with subs
+ Show Spoiler +


So beautifully simple. Watch all 4 parts and you won't be disappointed. I really wish more VODs got subbed T.T


If you want to start closer to where the action picks up
+ Show Spoiler +


Rest aren't hard to find

edit: I saw someone posted the main link for the subs but I'm picking out a few.

Watch this please
+ Show Spoiler +


awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
December 05 2011 01:51 GMT
#44
On December 05 2011 09:47 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2011 17:04 Kiett wrote:
On December 04 2011 15:46 Milkis wrote:
On December 04 2011 15:13 Kiett wrote:
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote:
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me


Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.

I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-


Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.


Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.

I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?

And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.


... I'm obviously joking. (making fun of Bisu's lack of OSL wins and losing to random zerg players *is* a running gag after all ^^)

Dont ruin my new found fan-boyism
I'm a noob
theslayer922
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada304 Posts
December 05 2011 22:52 GMT
#45
On December 05 2011 10:51 awwnuts07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 09:47 Milkis wrote:
On December 04 2011 17:04 Kiett wrote:
On December 04 2011 15:46 Milkis wrote:
On December 04 2011 15:13 Kiett wrote:
On December 04 2011 14:40 Fallen33 wrote:
If you want a real Protoss, then watch Reach or Nal_rA, Kingdom, Stork... Bisu is meh to me


Definitely. Real Protosses don't bother with lame shit like 3-0ing Savior at his prime, winning consecutive MSLs (defeating Stork as well, no less), or revolutionizing the PvZ matchup.

I love Stork, Reach, Nal_rA, Kingdom, Jangbi, etc. too, but I don't understand why this blog has suddenly turned into an Antagonize Bisu thread. Why not just watch them all? They all have their own charm, different styles, strengths, and weaknesses, and their games are all enjoyable. We should be promoting more BW (and more Brotoss love!), not discouraging the OP from watching certain players -__-


Real Protosses bother winning OSLs though. They also don't lose to Hyvaa.


Cool fast edit, before I was able to say Bisu's made it to the Ro8 in Daum 07, EVER 07, Bacchus 08, Incruit 08, and Batoo 09, 2 of which were also Ro4s. Of course, you're right, he's yet to win actually one. But if OSL winners are the only real players and the only ones worth watching, well, we'd be rather short on those, wouldn't we? Only 23 players in 12 years. I guess Zero, Hydra, Sea, Light, Leta, Kal, Iris, Chojja, and 95% of the rest of the progamers aren't real players. I guess Yellow wasn't a real Zerg, and Midas wasn't a real Terran.

I suppose by other your criteria, Jangbi (0-3 against Hyvaa), Reach (0-1), and Anytime (0-2) also aren't real Protosses. Oh, and since Hyvaa helped knock Jaedong out of the last OSL, Jaedong is no longer a real zerg either. How do a couple of losses at a certain given time invalidate a person's status as a "real" player? Flash got eliminated from the PDPop MSL 0-2 by Ssak and Classic. Does that automatically make him bad?

And throughout all of this, you've ignored the actual point I was making: What is the purpose of discouraging the OP from watching certain players? If you don't personally like Bisu or his play, no problem, but the thread title was "Help me love BW," not "Tell me what you hate about BW." From what I see, the OP watched Bisu vs. Savior, and he enjoyed it. It should be up to him to decide which games are worth watching or not. I don't see why people can't just recommend their favorite players and moments without detracting from the opinions of others and making fellow BW fans feel shitty. We should be working together to get more people interested in BW, not pissing on each other over which players are better.


... I'm obviously joking. (making fun of Bisu's lack of OSL wins and losing to random zerg players *is* a running gag after all ^^)

Dont ruin my new found fan-boyism


d'ahhh but making fun of Bisu is a common pastime in these lands.
In the Donger I Trust
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
December 07 2011 02:34 GMT
#46
On December 05 2011 02:01 awwnuts07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 00:56 Caladbolg wrote:
LOL Kiett you are awesome. But I'm sure they were kidding. If not, well, they should be pitied because they aren't Bisu fans.

I'm sure you know by now that the very best articles written on BW (aside from Korean articles) are the TLFEs, or Team Liquid Final Edits. They helped me rediscover my love for BW after leaving it for 5 years (due to iloveoov's emotional win over boxer).

If on the off chance you haven't read them, please do read the following (no order)

1. God of the Battlefield part 1 by Ver (deepest article in terms of strategy and showcases the fallen Maestro's genius)
2. I Loved Victory part 1 and 2 by Plexa (absolutely amazing piece on the most powerful mind to have ever graced BW)
3. The Storm Zerg by pubbanana (very emotional and beautiful piece on the greatest finalist of all time)
4. Only Until Midnight by HonestTea (another emotional and beautiful piece on the history of the game)
5. I spit hot fire by Sp1ralArch1tect (funniest TLFE which'll make you appreciate the importance of being unique)

and then read the following in order

1. Revolutionary Magic by Hot_Bid (Bisu)
2. Heir Apparent by Hot_Bid (Jaedong)
3. The Ultimate Weapon by DocHelvetica (Flash)

Thanks for the list. I didn't realize there were so many. Are there any more articles an aspiring BW fan should know about?

Also, guys, I think this thread is getting off topic.



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=20

I'm more a reader than a watcher so I implore you, if you have time, to take a step back into the past and into the wonderful world of Broodwar by reading ALL the Final Edits.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
December 08 2011 02:43 GMT
#47
@Caladbolg:

I remember randomly stumblings on God of the Battlefield a LONG time ago. And it was so sick; such a good article. Of course then, I was more of a BW noob than I am now haha.
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 03:03:00
December 08 2011 03:00 GMT
#48
OK OK OK SO SO HEAR THIS JAEDONG THE NEW ZERG FRESH OFF HIS OSL WIN AND BISU STILL THE REIGNING PROTOSS champion and pvz genius finally get to play vs each other was sOoOoO freaking hyped for this game. battle of the 2 best players in 2009. don't miss this.

imagine that these 2 players are sort of ushering in a new era of brood war where everyone is like nada but maybe even faster and even better at multitasking.

so here it is . couldn't find 1 part vid for the normal vod but Bisu FPview of this epic freaking game is even better.

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Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
December 08 2011 06:07 GMT
#49
On December 08 2011 12:00 alffla wrote:
OK OK OK SO SO HEAR THIS JAEDONG THE NEW ZERG FRESH OFF HIS OSL WIN AND BISU STILL THE REIGNING PROTOSS champion and pvz genius finally get to play vs each other was sOoOoO freaking hyped for this game. battle of the 2 best players in 2009. don't miss this.

imagine that these 2 players are sort of ushering in a new era of brood war where everyone is like nada but maybe even faster and even better at multitasking.

so here it is . couldn't find 1 part vid for the normal vod but Bisu FPview of this epic freaking game is even better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWawFX-Qsls


Wow I forgot how unbelievable that game was.
Watching if from Bisu's PoV.. o.O
+ Show Spoiler +

JD just would not die, it was terrifying watching that FPVOD
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