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techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 13:38 GMT
#1
I've taken up a second job recently, so I've had less free time than I'd like.

But yesterday, I had mostly a free day to ladder. I started the day 12th in my Bronze division. After a hot start of 14-7, I had made it all the way up to 5th. I had my shiny gold star! ~does a little happy dance~

Then the losing started. I finished off the day, 5-15 for a grand total of 19-22 for the entire day. And rather than the 12th I started with, I ended up one slot back at 13th. My star had been stripped from me. Maybe I should have quit while I was ahead.

I have been paying attention to my stats and yesterday really reinforced it. Breakdown by matchups:

Win% (Based on 247 replays.)

ZvZ: 70%
ZvP: 68%
Zv*: 61%
PvT: 59%
*vZ: 58%
PvZ: 53%
ZvT: 52%
TvP: 52%
*vT: 50%
*vP: 50%
TvZ: 50%
Tv*: 47%
Pv*: 46%
TvT: 43%
PvP: 32%


Hmmm. One of those seems stronger than others. I hate to stop working on my "random" achievements though. Definitely something to ponder. ~nods~

The other trend I notice is game length.

<5 mins: 71%
5 - 10 mins: 85%
10 - 15 mins: 50%
15 - 20 mins: 45%
> 20 mins: 24%

So when is mid game? When is late game out of curiosity?

*
Keep stumbling over dead bodies...
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 28 2011 13:42 GMT
#2
it depends. mid-game is more of a situational base than time. mid-game deals with certain pushes and certain unit compositions, and late-game as well.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
November 28 2011 14:06 GMT
#3
On November 28 2011 22:42 mizU wrote:
it depends. mid-game is more of a situational base than time. mid-game deals with certain pushes and certain unit compositions, and late-game as well.


Yeah I agree with this. If you have your tech delayed for some reason (e.g. early push that cripples you, like an 8pool), then you'll be entering the mid-game later than normal, for example.

I think it's wrong to assume something like "Oh my, it's exactly 12:45- I am officially entering the mid-game now!" Times will vary based on the circumstances of the specific game.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 14:23 GMT
#4
"I was an atheist until I watched a Day[9] Daily."

Unrelated to the rest of your post, I'm curious about this...
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
November 28 2011 14:27 GMT
#5
Also if you get into a weird base trade where everything resets at like 20 minutes.. you're back to early game. lol.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 14:30 GMT
#6
On November 28 2011 23:27 mizU wrote:
Also if you get into a weird base trade where everything resets at like 20 minutes.. you're back to early game. lol.


~head starts spinning in circles~
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44319 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 14:54:33
November 28 2011 14:51 GMT
#7
On November 28 2011 23:23 techempage wrote:
"I was an atheist until I watched a Day[9] Daily."

Unrelated to the rest of your post, I'm curious about this...


Just a big fan of Sean Plott I don't actually think he's a deity. (He didn't bring me to religion or anything like that either; I'm an atheist.)

I got to meet him at MLG Columbus. Super nice guy ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
techempage
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States43 Posts
November 28 2011 14:59 GMT
#8
Heh. Gotcha. I'm a big fan myself. Didn't tie the thought that he was a deity in there.
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