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guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
November 04 2011 06:50 GMT
#1
I've played over a million hands of poker the past several years. I've been playing professionally the past 2.5 years. A lot of poker say that with poker you can get better if you play a ton of hands and just think about the game critically as well as post hands on forums, talk about hands with friends, ect. I did and still do all of this, but I really needed the poker training sites and books to get me thinking about the game the right way. They didn't tell me what to do, more about how to think about the game. There's no way I would have figured all this stuff out by myself.

I feel the same way about sc2. With deliberate practice you can always get to the top 2% of us server, but I feel like my understanding of the game is lacking. There doesn't seem to be any good resources out for sc2 like with poker, but maybe it's because sc2 is truly more about mass gaming and analyzing your own reps while continuing to watch other people's reps? I'm still kind of skeptical of this since with anything else I've tried it would be a better use of time to learn how to do something properly instead of pure mass gaming (jiu jitsu, volleyball, poker).

Last August I was playing at least 3-5 hours a day. I felt like my play deteriorated and I still wasn't learning much. I felt like I hit a brick wall and wasn't getting better. Has anyone else had this problem? Did they just tough it out? Do you just have to have faith that you have to put in the games to get better even if it feels like nothing is changing?

“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
Aelonius
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands432 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 07:39:35
November 04 2011 07:38 GMT
#2
A very simple reply from my experience.
It is not the amount of hours you spend, but the quality of this time.
I can dick around in 2v2's for a whole night. Not that I learn much but that's it.

Generally when I feel my play is slipping, I jump back to a very safe and standard playstyle and get that going well again. After that I ramp it back up. This allows me to figure out the timings for all sorts of play again, and get my mind back into that solid style of play.
''The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.''—Ronald Reagan
guitarizt
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1492 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-10 00:51:20
November 09 2011 21:36 GMT
#3
Very good point. I guess how do you make sure you're getting quality practice time and actually getting better after you hit mid to top masters?

[edit] Found my answer in this thread. [D] Practice Myths and Methods: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272883
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.” - Hemingway
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